Stock up on flavors or not?
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On average synthetic flavors last about 2 years. If you've mastered your mix and love the flavors you use sure stock up on them but only buy enough to last 2 years. Natural extracted flavors last about a year.
mostly a couple of years as danny said but Nic is what you want to stock up on and put it in glass in your freezer. you can always get flavorings.
Thanks, I'm happy to hear that. I can always get flavors, yes, but it is cheaper to buy larger amounts of flavors I use a lot. I hate to think we might not be able to buy nicotine in the future, it's ludicrous. I haven't been following the news too much, is it starting to look that way?
Absolutely, stock up on nicotine. The FDA is classifying any electronic device used to inhale tobacco products as being under their jurisdiction. Nobody knows how far they're going to go. Tobacco flavored DIY concentrates? E-juice Vendors Tobacco flavored juices containing nicotine, probably.
The whole point of this unlawful government and it's agencies have come out of the shadows and realizing we're not going to do anything about their crimes, are going full steam ahead. At this level of advancement, in five years the government will control everything you do, including how you spend your money.
The FDA just placed an order for machine guns with 30 round magazines. Like BLM, NRC, FCC. etc. There is an army of goverment troops with armored vehicles ready to do the government's bidding. Right in our face.
It won't be long before me and you won't be able to write something like this post. It will be considered " hate speech " and they will probably fine us for first offense and jail us for anything after that.
Republicans aren't going to change anything they'll just keep on keeping on.
For right now, yeah stock up on nicotine. PG/VG and fruit, bakery flavors should be okay.
Sorry about the rant but I'm not happy watching the demise of my country.
The whole point of this unlawful government and it's agencies have come out of the shadows and realizing we're not going to do anything about their crimes, are going full steam ahead. At this level of advancement, in five years the government will control everything you do, including how you spend your money.
The FDA just placed an order for machine guns with 30 round magazines. Like BLM, NRC, FCC. etc. There is an army of goverment troops with armored vehicles ready to do the government's bidding. Right in our face.
It won't be long before me and you won't be able to write something like this post. It will be considered " hate speech " and they will probably fine us for first offense and jail us for anything after that.
Republicans aren't going to change anything they'll just keep on keeping on.
For right now, yeah stock up on nicotine. PG/VG and fruit, bakery flavors should be okay.
Sorry about the rant but I'm not happy watching the demise of my country.
Dang it, boomerdude, but I am afraid your so correct. I am 69 years old, and honestly cannot believe that this is happening to My America!
I proudly defended this county's interests and our flag in the 60's and 70's and am so ashamed at what we have for "leaders" today. The "common man" is still here, but where we are being taken is depressing.
Something must be done soon to get us back on track as the greatest country in the world!!!
Enough rant - back to your favorite topic!!
I proudly defended this county's interests and our flag in the 60's and 70's and am so ashamed at what we have for "leaders" today. The "common man" is still here, but where we are being taken is depressing.
Something must be done soon to get us back on track as the greatest country in the world!!!
Enough rant - back to your favorite topic!!
It's F-ed up for sure.
When all that happens I'm still going to do what I want, as long as I'm alive. I'm not letting someone make decisions like that for me.
When all that happens I'm still going to do what I want, as long as I'm alive. I'm not letting someone make decisions like that for me.
Are you referring to flavor extracts?
If it's yes, I recently answered this on another thread, so I'm just going to copy/paste what I previously wrote.
If you keep the lids on tightly and in a cool, dark place, they should last 2 years to indefinitely. After awhile, they will lose flavor, but they don't go bad.
Extracts: Do not refrigerate or freeze. It speeds up the natural separation of the flavor from the liquid base (pg/alcohol/etc).
Oils: These can and should be refrigerated. Bacteria seems to grow on oils in room-temperature air. However, they should not be stored in a freezer.
To extend extract life: Keep in cool, dark places away from heat, moisture, and sunlight. Avoid places near the stove, dishwasher, fridge, or even shelves near windows.
Actually, I checked with some chemists today on that issue, albeit the impending vacopolypse, and the nic doesn't really last longer than a couple of years either. Someone somewhere started this believe, but even in freezer with glass bottle, that stash doesn't survive past your lifetime (but can make some money later, just kidding last part).
Nic survives two years at best, three years at most.
Is this the DIY forum? Some of this government talk reminds me of that Bundy guy out in Nevada....
Anyway back to the subject. I keep my flavors in the frig. And to prevent condensation, I put them inside a tightly sealed container filled with rice. The rice will absorb any humidity that might creep inside the container.
Anyway back to the subject. I keep my flavors in the frig. And to prevent condensation, I put them inside a tightly sealed container filled with rice. The rice will absorb any humidity that might creep inside the container.
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I have quite alot of 100mg nicotine from a recent order. Like 500 ml worth. I DIY @ 2mg ejuice and i have barely made a dent in the past 8 months ive had the nicotine.
I figure by the time its all gone, i will be ready for 0mg. I dont think Ill ever stop vaping but I would like to be free from nicotine.
Is the FDA allowed to control sales of VG/PG and flavorings? I find it ludicrous if they did have control over it. The capellas strawberry flavoring i adore so much, they can tell me I cant buy this?
I figure by the time its all gone, i will be ready for 0mg. I dont think Ill ever stop vaping but I would like to be free from nicotine.
Is the FDA allowed to control sales of VG/PG and flavorings? I find it ludicrous if they did have control over it. The capellas strawberry flavoring i adore so much, they can tell me I cant buy this?
Have you had any "natural extracted flavors" go bad on you? Or do you have any that are that old? A few of our NETS (tobacco & tea) are pushing a year old, and they still taste, smell & vape 'the same'.
Could you please define what you mean by "doesn't really last longer than a couple of years"? The nic degrades/disappears or morphs into something else? It oxidizes? changes taste?
I've read various chemists/experts say there would be some slight degradation of nic, and perhaps oxidation 'over time' when in the freezer, but that it would still be usable - but never heard of "doesn't really last".
TIA!
Unfortunately, without the written word of the chemist, can't provide much more evidence than the anecdotal searches performed by many in their search. But here goes some links.
» Nude Armor – 100mg/mL Nicotine Base – EXTENDED SHELF LIFE
http://www.coresta.org/Recommended_Methods/CRM_39.pdf
Does E Liquid Go Bad? How, Why and What To Do To Prevent It…
You eventually get the pepper taste, which means its degraded. You can still vape, but not many will want to do that.
I asked what you meant by "doesn't really last".
There is tons of nic on the market that taste 'peppery' to some extent or the other the minute it's delivered. Based on that, I don't think a 'peppery taste' necessarily equates to "it's degraded"...but then again, maybe it does.
Hmmm, so one can tell 'by taste' whether or not there's been a 'chemical change', or that a chemical has degraded? Who wouldathunk that 'taste' could be a tool of scientific usefulness. :::eyeroll:::
Nicotine can be stored for years and years if frozen, no light and no oxygen.
http://www.crlcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Top10DrugsofAbuse-byCRL.pdf scroll down to the nicotine and look at the "stability" section to the right it says "if frozen indefinitely". Btw: this is not the only place I've found it listed this way. I read some studies a few months ago where they tested liquid nicotine that was stored frozen. Nicotine was tested after each year for degradation. After the 4th year there was such a small degrade that it was minute and barely detectable by measurements. The scientists doing this research mentioned at the rate of degradation in their testing it would take decades to even notice a significant change, and even at that not enough to deem it unusable. I have access to some research others may not have. If I come across it I will post enough info so you can do a google search and find pertinent information on it.
From everything I know about the chemical makeup of nicotine it's properties are stable for many years, and if stored properly and frozen can and will last decades.
http://www.crlcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Top10DrugsofAbuse-byCRL.pdf scroll down to the nicotine and look at the "stability" section to the right it says "if frozen indefinitely". Btw: this is not the only place I've found it listed this way. I read some studies a few months ago where they tested liquid nicotine that was stored frozen. Nicotine was tested after each year for degradation. After the 4th year there was such a small degrade that it was minute and barely detectable by measurements. The scientists doing this research mentioned at the rate of degradation in their testing it would take decades to even notice a significant change, and even at that not enough to deem it unusable. I have access to some research others may not have. If I come across it I will post enough info so you can do a google search and find pertinent information on it.
From everything I know about the chemical makeup of nicotine it's properties are stable for many years, and if stored properly and frozen can and will last decades.
^^^ Definitely 'stands to reason' very reasonably. Thank you for finding & sharing that!
That references a urine sample being frozen, not pure nicotine. If you read the whole half page you can see that.
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