Storing nicotine base

[RipCigs]

It appears Europe is under siege as well. New laws banning these terrible products are apparently around the corner. So I'm planning to stock up just in case. I was wondering, what is the best way to store nicotine base long term? Is deep freezing an option?
I am talking about 52mg to 100mg base, not mixed liquids.
Cheers

 

[WharfRat1976]

Dark cobalt blue 30, 60 or 120ml bottles filled to the top top. No air in there. Put in freezer. Thaw out as needed. Air is not nics friend.

 

[Grimwald]

If it's pg base, then in the freezer for many years. Be sure to label it as poison. I have 20+ years in my freezer -- and I'm an old guy -- so I being optimistic. If you hear of my demise, check my freezer.

 

[ufosnowcat]

from other threads i read dark glass bottles seem to be the best as stated above pref no air
i have 100mg/ml on pg in the freezer and will be getting more

pg has a freezing point of -50C or -55C it stâys liquid and does not expand in a normal freezer

should be good for many years the worst that could happen is losing a bit of potency but from w ive read we could be talking of going to 98 over many years

 

[tchavei]

It appears Europe is under siege as well. New laws banning these terrible products are apparently around the corner. So I'm planning to stock up just in case. I was wondering, what is the best way to store nicotine base long term? Is deep freezing an option?
I am talking about 52mg to 100mg base, not mixed liquids.
Cheers

I've stocked up 3L of 72mg nic and planning adding another 1L before may, 20th. At my current consumption, it should last me over 8 years at -23C

You don't need to let the nic warm up before use. I just pour the nic I need at - 23C into the glass container where I'm doing a new batch. It's still liquid at that temperature.

Instead of using a ton of small bottles you can use larger ones and fill them with glass marbles as you use up the nic so they're always full to the brim even if almost empty of nic.

Vapeaggedon is coming

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[Two_Bears]

It appears Europe is under siege as well. New laws banning these terrible products are apparently around the corner. So I'm planning to stock up just in case. I was wondering, what is the best way to store nicotine base long term? Is deep freezing an option?
I am talking about 52mg to 100mg base, not mixed liquids.
Cheers

Several people store liters of 100 mg/ml in the freezer for 6 years. They say to get itvss full as possible so there will be less opportunity for oxydization.

 

[Zakillah]

More important then freezing is using air tight glas bottles and absense of light.
I store my nic base in 500ml and 100ml amber glas bottles, which I put in cartons.
When I open the next big bottle I just separate this base in 5 of the smaller ones.
Freezer doesnt hurt, but no air no light is far more important.

 

[Ryedan]

It appears Europe is under siege as well. New laws banning these terrible products are apparently around the corner. So I'm planning to stock up just in case. I was wondering, what is the best way to store nicotine base long term? Is deep freezing an option?
I am talking about 52mg to 100mg base, not mixed liquids.
Cheers

I store my nic base in glass bottles in a regular chest freezer. I feel that's good enough to keep it in good shape for at least 10 years. If I wanted it to last 20 years I would probably do more research on it to see if there was a better way, but this is good enough for me now.

 

[Mowgli]

Glass bottles with polycone caps for me. In priority boxes in the freezer.
Big bottle gets broken down to smaller bottles.
1 small bottle at room temp at a time.

Bottle help with freezing nic juice
DOOMSDAY Prepping For the Possible FDA Restriction
Freezing 100mg nicotine base
Storing Nicotine
Nic exposure and breakdown
Question about frozen nicotine.
important to freeze nicotine?

You can take anything scientific that Kurt says as fact - Kurt's recent postings

 

[3mg Meniere]

Instead of using a ton of small bottles you can use larger ones and fill them with glass marbles as you use up the nic so they're always full to the brim even if almost empty of nic.

Long time since I have seen you post. I had that idea, and asked CS at Wizard about it.

However each time you reopen the bottle, taking nicotine out and adding an extra marble, you are letting new oxygen come in for the nicotine to react with. This could help with the oxidization process if you are keeping it stored for a long time, but if you are opening the nicotine bottle constantly it would most likely not have a large effect on this process. We advise that you split the nicotine solution up into smaller containers (about 2 weeks worth) and using one at a time, keeping the others stored in a cool dark place. This will help with eliminating new oxygen getting to the stored nicotine solution, as you are not constantly opening the stored ones. Marbles would also cause an unwanted mess when comparing to splitting the nicotine solution up into smaller bottles. While your idea would work in theory the better option would be splitting the solution up into smaller dark bottles and using one at a time. Thank you for your interesting question and if you have any other questions or concerns please let us know.

I now use the small bottles. It is best to put the nic in the freezer without opening the original bottle. Then, when the old nic has all been used, transfer the nic to smaller bottles. I should be using 15 ml bottles, since that is how much my unflavored batches use at a time. If I have a partial left, I put it back in the freezer, and use out of that one first-- the headroom problem is inconsequential for a month or two.

 

[RipCigs]

Thank you for your input everyone. The law I read that was coming into effect sounded like a 10 year old child wrote it, I couldn't take it seriously. But apparently, it's actually happening. Sad days.

 

[Steamix]

EU based vendors offer so-called 'bunkerbase'
100% PG at 48mg/ml ( the currently legal maximum ), filled in 100ml brown glass bottles. Ullage space is filled with nitrogen. Should last be good for several years with the right storage environment.

One supplier got shot down already. The state/province he's located in doesn't wait for the implementation date. Per ministerial decree they just ruled anything above 16.7 mg/ml as no-no.

 

[Two_Bears]

More important then freezing is using air tight glas bottles and absense of light.
I store my nic base in 500ml and 100ml amber glas bottles, which I put in cartons.
When I open the next big bottle I just separate this base in 5 of the smaller ones.
Freezer doesnt hurt, but no air no light is far more important.

Would never use glass bottles. Glass is very brittle when frozen. Use #1 plastic bottles. Its much better than glass.

As full as possible and blocking light very good ideas. Glass bottles tho is terrible idea.

 

[sofarsogood]

My storage is in 1 liter amber glass bottles rewrapped in the same bubble wrap they were shipped in then wedged into the freezer door shelf. One of the bottles is divided into 250 ml bottles. To access nic from the bottom of the active bottle I press clear flexible tubing, bought at the hardware store, to the end of the syringe. Then I cut that long enough to reach to the bottom of the bottle. I plan to devise a holder for the active bottle so that when it's open on a table and I'm drawing nic it's impossible to tip it over.

I'm not fretting about how long the nic might last. There is no alternative method to insure a long term supply. A refinement I'm considering is getting some argon gas for the empty space in the long term bottles.

Will British vapers turn out in force in June and vote for Britain to get out of the EU? Do they have enough votes to swing the election? I've become a single issue voter until there is no interference with my access to vaping supplies.

Would never use glass bottles. Glass is very brittle when frozen. Use #1 plastic bottles. Its much better than glass.

A chemist who posts here warns that nic might interact with plastic over years so best to use glass.

 

[tchavei]

Unfortunately my supplier ships the nic in dark sealed pet bottles. I'm sure they're fine for normal use but I prefer amber glass bottles for long term freezing so I have been buying the nic and transferring it to glass bottles.

The law says may 20th is the limit to import stuff but they say they will allow stock to be sold till November 2016 (that's what I understand, anyway) so maybe there's still time to horde up more. I don't know.

Some eu countries don't have that nic limit. I still have access to 72mg and 100mg although the first is easier for me to mix.

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[Leo Bak]

Yes you'd better stock up. I have several liters stored in the freezer, i'm good for at least 8 years of vaping 10ml 3mg base per day. Eventhough it's all packed in amberglass bottles, there's not really a need for colored glass in a dark freezer.

This spanish shop sells excellent 'black label' base with Chemnovatic nicotine, best i ever bought in Europe: Black Label PG (Propylene Glycol) Base 250ml 0-100mg

This german shop sells bunker base with Nicselect/Alchem nicotine, 1 liter 48mg in 100ml nitrogen filled glass bottles for only €45 + €10 shipping in EU: Storage Base exklusiv für Facebook Gruppe : E Liquid Selbstmisch

Glass will hold for years in a freezer, and it's not porous like plastic, so less oxydation. After taking it out let it adapt to the environmental temperature before opening.

 

[sofarsogood]

I think the ecconomics of vaping is just as important as the health benefits. The smoke in one cigarette exposes a smoker to 1 mg of nic. A one liter bottle of 100 mg nic has 100,000 mg of nic, the same as in the smoke from 5,000 packs of cigarettes. I used to pay $6 a pack for cigarettes, 30 cents per cigarette, so 30 cents per mg of nic. If the nic in that 1 liter bottle were priced the same as the nic in cigarettes it would be worth $30,000 where I live. Cigarettes in Chicago cost twice as much so the same bottle is worth $60,000. One more comparison. Gold costs $1000 an ounce. The nicotine in the smoke of cigarettes costs $8,400 an ounce. The nicotine in the $50 bottle I buy from myfreedomsmokes costs $14 an ounce.

May be it's fair to say our governments got greedy and over taxedd cigarettes. Now there's competition that costs less and doesn't make people sick and they want to interfere with smokers switching to vaping as though they are ruthless drug dealers protecting their business.

 

[Rossum]

Would never use glass bottles. Glass is very brittle when frozen. Use #1 plastic bottles. Its much better than glass.

As full as possible and blocking light very good ideas. Glass bottles tho is terrible idea.

If you have some reason to fear breakage, perhaps. But for long-term storage, glass has important advantages over plastic. It's truly impermeable to oxygen and much more inert than any plastic.

 

[beckdg]

I am talking about 52mg to 100mg base, not mixed liquids.
Cheers

I'm not making the distinction.

What's the difference between 10% nic in pg/vg, 5% nic in pg/VG and "mixed liquids"?

Tapatyped

 

[RipCigs]

I'm not making the distinction.

What's the difference between 10% nic in pg/vg, 5% nic in pg/VG and "mixed liquids"?

Tapatyped

I don't know if there is a difference storing/aging wise so i just specified what i was talking about.