Strongest (lowest percentage) flavors

[Alien Traveler]

I decided I do not want to inhale chemicals in large quantities anymore. 20% of flavorings in a juice are too much for me. While effects of inhaling of “butter” additive (diacetyl) were studied due to unfortunate incident at popcorn factory, effects of many other chemicals for flavoring are still unknown. Even effects of natural ingredients not known (tobacco also is natural, but…)

So, I would like to make DIY with strong flavorings which are usable in small percentages in a juice. So far I know only about menthol and cinnamon. Any other suggestions? I would like to go not higher than 5%, or 10% at most.

 

[odoyal63]

You can try TFA Camel Cappuccino 1 to 2 drops per 10ml max. I would suggest at least 4-5 drops of sweet cream also to calm it down a bit

 

[Boletus]

Nude Nicotine has a lot of flavors that are quite pronounced at 2.5-3%. I just did a review of their Patchouli Vanilla and Blueberry Mojito in this forum, so that can provide my descriptions. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...4d-nn-patchouli-vanilla-blueberry-mojito.html

I can't say it is any safer, but they claim to extract their own flavorings with vaping in mind. I do know the flavorings I have used are clear and do not gunk up coils as fast as some others.

 

[michaelsil1]

Inawera Flavors are low percentages

 

[Raex]

LorAnn cherry requires about 1-2%
Same with a their coffee.

 

[Hoosier]

As long as folks realize that they are really reducing the amount of flavoring carrier and not the actual flavoring chemicals, this is a very helpful thread.

Using less can be beneficial and helps folks figure actual costs or why that cappuccino experiment went so wrong. But it might be easier to make light flavors, fewer flavoring chemicals per total volume, from flavoring that takes a higher percentage of flavoring to make a strong flavor. (It is usually easier to measure 10% of a flavoring that needs 20% to be strong than it is to measure 0.5% if a flavoring that needs 1% to be strong...as an example)
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[glasseye]

Inawera, Flavour Art, Hangsen and Vaping Zone super concentrates are some that mostly require very low percentages. With a few exceptions that's about all I use these days and in that order. With HS it's sometimes up to 7% but with the others it's rarely over 3%- even complex recipes.

 

[Donovan69]

I use www.diy-ejuice.com Chinese super concetrates. You can use these at %3.
They are alcohol based flavorings so they are awesome to use in high vg recipes. IMO as far as tpa sweet cream goes, never more than a drop per 10ml or it's gross.


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[Alien Traveler]

Thanks a lot for good suggestions!

 

[crxess]

You do realize lower percentages generally = higher concentrations, right?
i.e. you will likely get the same chemicals in a Highly concentrated 1.5% flavoring as a low concentration 10% flavoring.

There is no such thing as a 20% rule.
While I have seen many mixes as high as 40+ %, only one of my DIY even comes close to 20%
Most average 8%-16%

 

[Alien Traveler]

Yes, I understand. Actually my question was about stronger ingredients.

 

[Bob Chill]

IMO- I'm not sure it matters much between concentrated flavors vs non concentrated overall. They are all diluted in either pg or alcohol. Super concentrates are like high mg nic solutions. You use much less in a bottle but still get the same amount of nic in the end. I'm sure there are variations per chemical but the concept is the same.

 

[Boletus]

Yes, some flavorings are the same thing as others but at different concentrations, but I would suggest that some flavors will require less active ingredient mass than others. For example, you can get a pretty strong menthol flavor with a few drops of mint oil, but you can try to vape 50% food grade vanilla extract and not taste much vanilla from what I've read here.

So between flavorings with the same active ingredient(s), the concentrated version will contain the same amount of the active ingredient(s) as a less concentrated version, but between different flavors, that is not necessarily so. Which, as I understood it, is what the OP was asking about.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Yes, some flavorings are the same thing as others but at different concentrations, but I would suggest that some flavors will require less active ingredient mass than others. For example, you can get a pretty strong menthol flavor with a few drops of mint oil, but you can try to vape 50% food grade vanilla extract and not taste much vanilla from what I've read here.

So between flavorings with the same active ingredient(s), the concentrated version will contain the same amount of the active ingredient(s) as a less concentrated version, but between different flavors, that is not necessarily so. Which, as I understood it, is what the OP was asking about.

Exactly. May be my question was not formulated properly. It was “I would like to make DIY with strong flavorings which are usable in small percentages in a juice. So far I know only about menthol and cinnamon.” It looks like for better understanding I should have asked

What active ingredients are the strongest?

 

[eyerhere]

Extra strong in flavoring is going to be just a higher concentration of what you are trying to avoid. If you look at flavorings they are usualy disolved in pg. To what concentration who knows. So If company a tates stronger then company b on lest say strawberry. Then you mix them to taste the same. Again lest say company a at 5% and company b it takes 15% to match flavor. If they tast the same then the volume differance is in the pg not those flavor chemicals you are worried about. Vape with just a hint of flavor or straght vg/pg is the only way your going to get what you are asking for. And dont fall into the all natural is better trap, hemlock and herion are both all natural.

 

[Boletus]

So If company a tates stronger then company b on lest say strawberry. Then you mix them to taste the same. Again lest say company a at 5% and company b it takes 15% to match flavor. If they tast the same then the volume differance is in the pg not those flavor chemicals you are worried about.

But that's not the question, and your point is already understood. The question is more like how much mass of actual flavoring (regardless of concentration, since the actual mass will remain the same for a given flavor) is required for different flavors. Here's an example, to build on yours: Company A and Company B both sell strawberry flavoring at different concentrations, but you end up using the same amount of mass of the active ingredients, because you need to add more of the one with lower concentration. But, they both also sell Habenero pepper flavor (for example) at different concentrations. You will need to use more of the lower concentration Habenero flavor to get the same result as the high concentration Habenero flavor, but it will be much less Habenero flavoring than you would use from either vendor for the strawberry flavor.

Put another way, there is a difference between concentrations of like flavors and what is required to taste completely different flavors. Put a teaspoon of sweet paprika in your mouth, and then a teaspoon of cayenne pepper. They are both the same amount of ground peppers, but one will have a lot more effect than the other. Now put a teaspoon of flour in your mouth, and you don't taste anything at all, because paprika is more flavorful than flour, and cayenne is more flavorful than either.

 

[Boletus]

Exactly. May be my question was not formulated properly. It was “I would like to make DIY with strong flavorings which are usable in small percentages in a juice. So far I know only about menthol and cinnamon.” It looks like for better understanding I should have asked

What active ingredients are the strongest?

Or to be even more unambiguous, which active ingredients have the most noticeable effect, given equal concentrations and amounts of each flavor. I wish I had more answers for you, but I will at least try to help make sure everyone fully understands the question, before the conversation devolves into arguing semantics between people that are talking about completely separate concepts.

 

[aikanae1]

I'm always searching for the lowest concentrations because I have had reactions to both pg and alcohol. I have found keeping flavor concentrations low is the most comfortable and vaping unflavored VG nic doesn't keep me cig free. Sometimes I think there's a bias against high VG mixes.

The list that was posted earlier is what I've found too. Baker's (Vaping Zone Gourmet) mixes usually at 1% or less. There are several at apx 3% and a few hover around 6%. Of course the listed percentages have been generalized. I use Vaping Zone (super concentrates and Gourmet), FA and I'd like to play more with Inawere's various lines. Their WG I've heard is a bit more concentrated.

 

[Rin13]

Answering the question, FlavourArt (for me, anyway) is generally low. I use them all under 3%, most at 2%. But I have a sensitive palate. As the above poster stated, Vaping Zone Super Concentrate are also low. I believe they recommend 2.5% and I do them at 2%, no problem. They have a Gourmet Line that's even lower than that (less than 1%). I like VZ for tobaccos and FlavourArt for pretty much everything but tobaccos.

 

[keelalagirl55]

I think I get the gist of the intended question......

The question is not who's flavorings require less use.....but what flavors (ie...cinnamon, clove, vanilla, coffee, etc) have the strongest flavor profile regardless of flavoring manufacturer.

OP already mentioned cinnamon and menthol.....I'm thinking most strong mints, clove and coffees (especially the caramel cap that has been mentioned) I don't think there will be any creamy flavors and quite possibly very few, if any, fruit flavors that would fit your request.