Sub ohm and flavor again?

[Daddy dan123]

Why does it seem that when I sub ohm (for me usually 0.7-0.8) I loose flavor. I have done a few builds. 28g dual on 1/16 bit. 28g dual on the screw driver the russian and kf come with. And gone higher. I've used 26g with those same coil diameters. I had a good result with 28g 1/16 but it couldn't wick fast enough and started getting the brown icky cotton taste lmao. So I tried going up in coil diameter. The bigger the coil id got the more the flavor sucked. I thought bigger wick (always cotton) more juice more flavor. Wrong lol. Should I try to go down to a 0.5-0.6? ( yes I have the vtc5 and efest 1600mah but the efest are really for my 1.3-1.5 svd). I kinda enjoy the clouds but I really love the flavor. I'm using an explorer rda atm since it has a half inch drip well. My atomic would be great if it didn't hold a half a drop lol. And my igo-L is not set up for the lung hits I been doing recently. Does anyone have the explorer and have great results with flavor and vapor (the age old question lol) this seems to be asked a lot. But after all the rambling I just did does anyone have a for sure dual coil build that gets tfv? Especially with 30g 29g 28g 27g or 26g? And why doesn't anyone ever use the odd gauged kanthal lol

 

[Cullin Kin]

I don't think going lower in resistance will get you what you're looking for. The principle is: The lower the resistance, the bigger the clouds, and the lesser the flavor. If you really want to keep the clouds, start buying e-juice from places that allow you to customize flavor profiles, or buy your own flavors to add to the juice when you get it. If your not worried about losing the clouds, I would up your resistance to 1.0-1.2Ω.

However, I really enjoy the flavor and clouds I get from my mech and RDA at 0.29Ω. What is your vape setup?

 

[Daddy dan123]

Normally until I get a new rda. It's an explorer rda on either my panzer or my red copper stingray or the occasional k101. I only have an atomic. Great for flavor but not great for holding liquid lol. And my igo which is set up really for my svd and taste testing.
Don't get me wrong. The clouds are fun but the flavor is more important. I'm just worried if I do a few extra wraps of my 28g I'll be using even more power to heat all that wire up. I dont know just confused and tierd of experimenting. If I bump it up to about one ohm what size coil diameter you think is good for wicking. Should I keep the 1/16 or bump it up a size

 

[Cullin Kin]

You could just wrap it around your current bit a few more times. More wraps always helps because it gets more coil in contact with the wick, and thus the juice.

I've always been a micro coil guy. You may try another experiment and on your IGO, build some micro coils, dragon style. It requires a different method of wicking because the coils are just too small to fit any cotton through. Here's how my current setup looks on my Stillare:





It's at 0.29Ω with 26 gauge kanthal wrapped 8 times around a 1/32" paperclip. I love the flavor and cloud it produces, but we're all different, ya know? If you take your 28 gauge and wrap it around a 3/64" bit around 9 times you will probably be around 05-0.6 but the different wicking method might intrigue your taste buds.

If not, just ignore that advice lol.

 

[mujuru]

Sorry.. not familiar with the Explorer RDA...

But my dual coil set up with 28g usually ohms out at .5Ω. I wrap around a toothpick, if wicked properly.. all is nice!
The layout of the Explorer looks similar to the Tobh... so try to get your coils directly in front of the air flow... so you're coils will be inline with the airflow...and not necessarily inline with your posts (if that makes sense).

Usually when i get burnt cotton its due to too much wick in the coil... less is more as far as what goes through the coil... tails can be longer and thicker if you prefer that...

And just as an FYI... more wraps means less power is used; since its higher resistance... but start up will be slowed a bit.

hope that helps...

Edit: PS... you'll be surprised how fast cotton can wick when you use very little of it... just leave it sort of loose and so it fills the coil... not rolled tightly.. that will certainly choke it.

 

[Daddy dan123]

Lol. See Im not new to this at all. Well at least four months in with diff builds but I'm not sure I've always agreed with more coil more flavor really lol. I've done a dragon before but must not have cared too much about it or had mbv juice lol (not knocking them they where my first love an hot me off analogs) but it kinda seemed to me once I started to sub ohm I got more heat more flavor. I just want mouth to lung hits and a cool-er? Vape (not steaming hot but the explorer is so big inside it's always a cool vape lol) that gives flavor. Maybe I should try a braided coil or the rip trippers (did I just use his name aha silly man he is with his magical disappearing Manhattan video) sleeper build. Your build is interesting though lol. Like I wanna see how you actually wick it. I have an idea since my atomic is set up kinda similar to Trevor jones set up for holding more juice in the atomic. But maybe I'm not done experimenting. Maybe I need the magma. I just want my big willies to taste how I remember grrrrrr lol

 

[mujuru]

Lol. See Im not new to this at all. Well at least four months in with diff builds but I'm not sure I've always agreed with more coil more flavor really lol. I've done a dragon before but must not have cared too much about it or had mbv juice lol (not knocking them they where my first love an hot me off analogs) but it kinda seemed to me once I started to sub ohm I got more heat more flavor. I just want mouth to lung hits and a cool-er? Vape (not steaming hot but the explorer is so big inside it's always a cool vape lol) that gives flavor. Maybe I should try a braided coil or the rip trippers (did I just use his name aha silly man he is with his magical disappearing Manhattan video) sleeper build. Your build is interesting though lol. Like I wanna see how you actually wick it. I have an idea since my atomic is set up kinda similar to Trevor jones set up for holding more juice in the atomic. But maybe I'm not done experimenting. Maybe I need the magma. I just want my big willies to taste how I remember grrrrrr lol

The problem of flavor might just be in that large chamber...

 

[Daddy dan123]

Mujuru maybe you're right now that I think about it. When I set up the explorer it's kinda odd if you've ever seen suck my mods review on YouTube the coils tend to slant at a funny angle. And when you put the cap on it's always at a funky angle. Maybe I should beef up the build (ugh those posts are a .....) and force those coils I front of the air holes

 

[Daddy dan123]

And surprisingly it gives amazing flavor for such a large chamber. Like not kfl flavor but it is pretty amazing for it being so huge lol

 

[mujuru]

Mujuru maybe you're right now that I think about it. When I set up the explorer it's kinda odd if you've ever seen suck my mods review on YouTube the coils tend to slant at a funny angle. And when you put the cap on it's always at a funky angle. Maybe I should beef up the build (ugh those posts are a .....) and force those coils I front of the air holes

Yeah.. i think all kinds of weird things happen when the airflow isn't lined up. I have a few 14mm attys that are very tempermental if the airflow isn't lined up just perfect.

I'd pay close attention to coil orientation and height... for me, I prefer airflow to be dead on or slightly underneath the coil. YMMV

edit: going to watch that review to see what you're talking about...

 

[Daddy dan123]

Eh it's too juicy to take the top cap off to really see but yea kinda like a tobh. And you really wrap around a tooth pick. That has to be smaller than a 1/16. How many wraps of 28g is that for one ohm. Lol. Thank you guys for the chat by the way


Didn't notice I put a pic of the ugliest build on earth and it happens to be one of mine aha

 

[Daddy dan123]

Uh oh wait lol i dont think it was his review. Lol I'll find it. But yes they tend to sit funny a lot (his seems good actually lol) I lied lol. And since it's cheap the screws tend to break wire easy. Mine does at least but it's still a good 20 dollar buy

 

[Daddy dan123]

Yea I was thinking of his igo 7 build I think and I see why they where doing that now. Lol. I'll make sure to take a pic tomorrow when I run out of this liquid and rebuild it to show you. Lol my fault. It is a good rda for the price and the coils do kinda get sqonky at times. Lol. I'm so sorry for wasting your time in the video it's almost 5am here and I'm half awake trying to think lmfao not a good combo for me

 

[Kracker]

you sure you're not using too much cotton ? Think of it more like fluffing a pillow instead of stuffing a mattress. I love my Trident and it has almost no well and will hold 10-16 drops

 

[mujuru]

After watching that review... Personally, I wouldn't set up that way. Based on that video build, i'd basically have longer legs from the positive post so the coil would be inline with the sidewall of the atty, If that makes sense. And personally, I think he uses a little too much cotton. But I suppose as long as it doesn't choke, its fine.

Its all a fine balancing act between heat, airflow, and juice flow... so hope you figure out what works for you. Also, if you're looking for a cooler vape, i'd look at using 26g... but not necessarily dropping your ohms. I personally haven't had much experience with anything other than 28g... but have some 26g and 24g in the mail to play with shortly. I enjoy my vape off 28g and its much preferred over 30g or 32g. But hell... I can see me enjoying lower gauges as well... So of course, my advice for a "cooler" vape is purely theoretical.. lol. But its been consistent with my experience with other gauges.

 

[mujuru]

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Eh it's too juicy to take the top cap off to really see but yea kinda like a tobh. And you really wrap around a tooth pick. That has to be smaller than a 1/16. How many wraps of 28g is that for one ohm. Lol. Thank you guys for the chat by the way


Didn't notice I put a pic of the ugliest build on earth and it happens to be one of mine aha

My advice.. get those coils closer to side wall... I get mine as close as I can build it. I'd venture to say that the airflow is missing the coil... entering the chamber then straight up, basically just gazing the coil. you're likely to get more vapor and better flavor if you move that coil into the airflow.

And yes I really use a toothpick.. lol.. Its 7 wraps of 28g to get a 1Ω coil. Adjust yours as needed.

Edit: Oh.. and trust me, my builds arent the prettiest either. lol. I'm not too .... about that... beauty is in the eyes of the beholder... and my coils are never beheld by anyone but me... lol.

 

[Daddy dan123]

Lol. I don't set mine up like his. But too much cotton is a possibility. Those pics is what I'm running now and it's eh ok. Not like I had it a few days ago with even more cotton in it. I don't feel is use too much cotton but than again I sold my kfl + due to a million tries and a million wicking issues lmao. So maybe. I know that I thread it through and can pull it side to side with our knocking my mod over. Lol. But im gonna try first thing when I wake up to do two builds. One at .6 or .7 and directly in front of the air holes and the second at 1.0 or close to it and parallel with the air holes

 

[mujuru]

Lol. I don't set mine up like his. But too much cotton is a possibility. Those pics is what I'm running now and it's eh ok. Not like I had it a few days ago with even more cotton in it. I don't feel is use too much cotton but than again I sold my kfl + due to a million tries and a million wicking issues lmao. So maybe. I know that I thread it through and can pull it side to side with our knocking my mod over. Lol. But im gonna try first thing when I wake up to do two builds. One at .6 or .7 and directly in front of the air holes and the second at 1.0 or close to it and parallel with the air holes

Good luck.. hope you get that sorted! Keep trying.. something will work!

Oh.. and wicking on your pics look fine... (try leaving a bit thicker of a tail to hold your juice in the well... I tend to do it that way and enjoy)

 

[Dusif]

Try the nano dragon setup... That build will give you great flavor and huge clouds, when i subohm thats the only setup i use.


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[Daddy dan123]

Man ima have the worlds longest legs on this thing if I move them closer to the wall lol but I'll try anything. Thank you you guys have all been great