sub-ohm vs regular coils

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FallenRawToast

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sub-ohm'ing basically is about creating larger clouds, bigger hits and more insta-vaporization.

that said... getting below the 1.0ohm limit starts to get you into more risky safety territory. A lot of batteries and mods can not cope with things below 1 or 0.8ohm. So to do it safely you need to educate yourself (inside these forums are plenty of great resources) and you need to pick up a cheap multimeter to test ohms.
 

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Your batteries won't allow for sub-ohm coils.
If you're interested in sub-ohm vaping, learn ohms law and how it relates to vaping also learn about battery safety.

But the difference in a 1.8 ohm coil and a .8 ohm coils is the wattage.

1.8 ohm @ 4.2 volts = 9.8 watts
.8 ohm @ 4.2 volts = 22.05 watts

The lower the wattage the less vapor and cooler vapor (typically)
 

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first off,
DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT even TRY to run a sub ohm coil on your ego batteries. that would be a very bad thing.
Sub-ohming, while quite enjoyable [for me] is completely unnecessary. you can get yourself an RDA, build a 1.5 ohm coil in it, and run it at 30 watts on any DNA 30 device[or similar] and get just as much flavor and vapor as a .4 ohm coil on a mech, with a MUCH MUCH MUCH lower chance of doing any damage to yourself or your device.
This is territory that i don't even like talking about in the "new members" section, but ask and you shall receive .
There is no need to sub ohm, and if you're new to vaping, i'd advise you steer clear of it until youve gained more experience.
 

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+ 1 Intheshade...

make sure your battery max amp draw can withstand your build load...


On another hand... changing resistance will also affect battery life :


The higher the resistance the shorter your battery life ... I think :unsure:


The OTHER way arround... at a fix voltage, the lower the resistance the HIGHER the amp draw...

Higher amp draw = less battery life....

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4volt @ 0.1Ohm = 40 amp = 40 000 mili amp

4volt @ 1 Ohm = 4 amp = 4000 mili amp


900 mili amp an hour @ 0.1 Ohm / 40 000 mili amp =0.0225 H of battery * 0.7 = 0.01575 H of battery

900 mili amp an hour @ 1 Ohm / 4000 mili amp = 0.225 H of battery * 0.7 = 0.1575 H of battery

*The factor of 0.7 makes allowances for external factors which can affect battery life.

1H = 60min = 3600sec
1 Puff = 5sec

3600 / 5 = 720 puff in 1 H

720 puff * 0.01575 H= 11.34 5 sec Puff (@ 0.1 Ohm) before battery die...:ohmy:
720 puff * 0.1575 H = 111.34 5 sec Puff (@ 1 Ohm) before battery die...:vapor:



tadammmm hahahaha :facepalm:
 
yes I do understand that sub ohm you are going to go through batteries faster
and that can add up to lots of $$ spent in a hurry.
I would rather have stuff last instead of burning stuff out all the time.
have to remember too the more amps you pull out of a battery in a short period of
time the hotter the battery can get and heat is what kills batteries.
I was just wondering what the big deal was that some people make of sub ohming
as I would rather have my stuff last
 

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I can't say much more than what has already been said.... but I will anyway... :D

I'll say it... and I'm sure I'll take plenty of heat over it...

Sub-ohm will never "go away"... Any more than revolvers will go away.... but... In my opinion they are becoming more and more obsolete as new more powerful regulated mods come along...

Here's the thing.... Look around.... Now imagine everything going all wavey and squiggly... you're being transported back in time... You're now in a time when there are no variable voltage mods... You look around the room and see a couple of guys sucking on blu type cigalikes... then there's that one weird kid in the corner running some strange carto contraption that's duct taped on the end of a flashlight... Ahhh... the first mechanical mod...

So you decide to do the same.... But now you've got at best 4.2 volts, and a nominal 3.7 volts coming out of your battery... Slap a 2.5ohm carto on it and you're pushing a grand 5 1/2 watts.... Not exactly blowing clouds are you?

But maybe you're the show off type... You want all the eyes on the room to be on you.... Or maybe you just love that flavor, but really want to strengthen it and make it more rich and dense... Maybe you're just a visual guy and really want to feel like you're blowing out a lot of smoke.... Whatever the reason, you decide you need more... MORE POWER!!! MORE POWER!!!

Now you could go get that 6 cell mag-lite and try your duct tape skills on it instead.... but decide it's going to be more difficult stealth vaping in the middle of Pathmark using that thing.... But you remember something brilliant that nerdy guy down the hall told you once.... E-MC^2.... After realizing that doesn't help you at all... you remember the other thing he told you... P = E^2 / R Yes... that's the ticket.... you know the more heat you produce the more liquid you'll vaporize... more watts means more heat... and the nerdy kid down the hall just made you realize that if your coil was 1.5 ohms instead of 2.5 you'd be pushing 9 1/4 watts... almost double what you are now!

So you run to the kitchen and rip apart the toaster... Grab some of the wire, bend over and make a few wraps around your aglet... You run down the hall to the nerdy kid and ask him to tell you the resistance of this thing... AH HA!!!! 1.5 ohms!!! PERFECT... you were born for this....

You duct tape it to your flashlight and fire it up! HAHA!!!! That's awesome!!!! More vapor... More cloud... More flavor!!!! This is what I've always been waiting for!!!

Oh... But wait... what if it was 1 ohm??? WHOA!!!! That will give you 13 1/2 watts!!!! Now we're talking.... So you take your newly made coil, duct tape it to your flashing and fire it up!

It's brilliant....

But wait... why stop there!!!

Sub-ohm is born.... let's try .5 ohms!!!! WHOA!!! you sit down your calculator with a wild look in your eyes... as you suddenly realize you'll be kicking out 27 watts!!!

But you've noticed something... you're getting nice big clouds now... because of course you've made all sorts of modifications to make sure your coil stays wet... it's not just burning up it's actually producing clouds!!! But you want more... and now that you're down in this "sub-ohm" range, it doesn't take much of a change to make big increases in power!

So it happens... you decide to try a .25 ohm coil... Holy hanna!!! 56 watts!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is going to be amazing!!!!

You fire that bad boy up and it's AMAZING!!! except... what's that smell? An hour later you wake up... At first you wonder if the S.W.A.T. team raided your apartment... You remember white smoke filling the room (tear gas?) then a loud explosion... Was that them kicking in the door? Or maybe they threw in a flash bang?

Nope... it was just your battery exploding... Your nerdy friend forgot to tell you that I = E / R... and that your new .25 ohm coil drew 14.8 amps at 3.7 volts... Exceeding the limits of your 5amp flashlight battery by a mile...

You decide maybe sub-ohm isn't your thing... you buy a new toaster and find out the nerdy kid down the hall just packed up for MIT...

Flashy lights, wavey lines, squiggly dizziness and BAM... you're back here in the here and now....

The first mods were mechanical mods... They had a fixed voltage... The ONLY way to "change" the vape, or get more vapor was to lower the resistance of the coil...

Then variable voltage came along.... Now we have mods that are capable of outputting way more voltage than 3.7 volts... 6v, 9v, etc...

Now let's think for a moment... if we slap a mech mod on a 1.5 ohm coil.... We're going to get just over 9 watts out of it.... If we want more, we HAVE to lower the resistance....

On the other hand, what if we take that 1.5 ohm coil and throw 9.3 volts on it? All of a sudden we're kicking out 58 watts!!!!! We'd have to go down to a .24 ohm coil to try to get that kind of power on a mech at 3.7 volts....

Now what's the difference? Well, let's assume we want to build with 26awg wire....

Let's say we build a dual coil for our mech mod we're going to have to do 4 wraps per coil... That should give us our approx. 58 watts... and as a side note a heat flux of 1070mW/mm2

Now if we build for our regulated mod, we'd have to do 30 wraps for each coil!!!!!!! bringing our heat flux down to 171mW/mm2 for that same 58 watts...

Now that's a bit overkill... but let's say we used 30awg instead... Now down to 13 wraps.. and our heat flux is 688mW/mm2... which is still going to be pretty high... but we'll live with it...

In either case, what advantage do we have over the mech setup? First, we have MUCH more surface area.... The more surface area we have, the more vapor we can produce... Yes, heat is part of the equation too, but you can only wick so fast no matter how good your wicking material... In the end, surface area plays the biggest part in how much vapor you can actually produce... The more surface area you have vaporizing the liquid, the more vapor you get. We also have much less total loss in the legs of the coil, but that's a whole different conversation...

Think about it like this... If you took 5 mods, duct taped them all together and each were running a coil 2mm in diameter and 6 turns, you've just multiplied your vapor production by 5... Because you've multiplied your surface area by 5...

Mech mods will always have their place... Hell I own some myself... But as technology improves and these higher voltage mods get better and better, it won't be long till you'll start seeing "cloud chasing" competitions being won on these devices and not the mechs of old...

In my opinion... and hey, it's my opinion only... nothing more... so take it for what it's worth... sub-ohm is mostly just a hold over from days gone by, and as each day goes by and more and more improvements are made in the regulated mods, I see it becoming the revolver of the firearm world...

What do I mean by that? I concealed carry.... There are many out there who refuse to carry anything but a revolver... Why? Because it's simplistic... It's so basic in it's design that almost nothing can go wrong... They carry it because they know it'll be there if they need it and it won't fail them.... An automatic on the other hand, there's many more pieces in the design... More points of possible failure... More things that can go wrong... But in the end... I'll do my excellent maintenance on an ultra reliable platform and take my 17 rounds (or 23 with an extra mag) over 5,6 or 7 any day...
 

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    Sub-ohming is the only way to get more wattage out of a mechanical mod , while it's true that you can get the same results out of a high wattage regulated mod , I enjoy mechs for their aesthetics , simplicity and durability . With no electronics to worry about I expect my Panzer will far outlast any regulated mod . Something to consider with looming regulations . After all the FDA can't regulate flashlights . :)
     

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    Sub-ohming is the only way to get more wattage out of a mechanical mod , while it's true that you can get the same results out of a high wattage regulated mod , I enjoy mechs for their aesthetics , simplicity and durability . With no electronics to worry about I expect my Panzer will far outlast any regulated mod . Something to consider with looming regulations . After all the FDA can't regulate flashlights . :)

    Likewise, I can always use either of my 2 P Minis or a VS rDNA. However, there is something mechs, which I keep coming back to.
     

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    I was just wondering what the big deal was that some people make of sub ohming
    as I would rather have my stuff last


    The same reason some people make a big deal about red lining the RPM's on their car, they feel the need to be flashy and get "extremem" performance out of their thing.
     
    The batteries you have will not be sufficient for sub ohm coils , I Use Sony 18650 V5s and average .11 Ohms ,, Yes POINT ONE ONE OHMS ,.,.I'm all set to safely use it ... I think a really good ohm rating in the beginning would be a 30 G 6/5 Wrap dual coils if course on a 1/8" rod ... That should get you about 1.2 Ohms with Kanthal Wire ...

    Get used to that . Get a feel for your mod and work your way to 1.0 Ohms . When I'm traveling I use a .9 Ohm Parallel twisted wire I make myself .. I can get about 2 hours of moderate toking on a Sony battery ...There's an EfEst that I had , it got more battery life but took longer to light up my coils ,, Gosh I don't wanna blast you with too much information ... Just remember you can get hurt so be careful K
     

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    The same reason some people make a big deal about red lining the RPM's on their car, they feel the need to be flashy and get "extremem" performance out of their thing.
    There's more to it than that , I build subohm to get the best flavor , for example I generally run .7-.8 ohm dual coils in my Magma on a mech because that has given me the best flavor out of my juices , that's subohm but nowhere near redline for my batteries , it's not always about flash .
     

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    There's more to it than that , I build subohm to get the best flavor , for example I generally run .7-.8 ohm dual coils in my Magma on a mech because that has given me the best flavor out of my juices , that's subohm but nowhere near redline for my batteries , it's not always about flash .

    As per some of my previous posts, my favorite 2x coil set-up is like yours down to the RDA. I will venture just north of 0.5 ohms, at times.

    For some reason, many think that "sub ohm" is relegated to < 0.1 ohms.
     

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    To me common sense dictates that no one factor is responsible for increased vapor, nicotine, flavor. The wire diameter, coil size, coil shape, resistance, air flow, shape of the vapor chamber, e-liquid supply & wicking, wattage, voltage regulation, voltage drop if unregulated to name a few will, and all have an effect.

    Common sense for me would indicate that the biggest factor would how much e-liquid is vaporized in a given time. On a normal resistance coil, you sit down and vape for 15 minutes, use 1/4 mL of e-liquid at any strength, then switch to sub-ohm that in 15 minutes uses high wattage and a full 1 mL of e-liquid.

    The second setup would of necessity deliver 4 time the nicotine, 4 times the flavor, 4 times the vapor to be able to use 4 times the e-liquid.

    Which setup fits your liking, LOL, that can be as varied as what flavor e-liquid each vaper likes....:laugh:
     
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