Sudden onset sensitivity?

[vetwhovapes]

I smoked for 19 years before I found vaping and once I figured out how to operate cartos and my nautilus never looked back. it's been 4 years and I have not looked back. at the time I quit I had come out of the hospital for RMSF and smoking just didn't feel right anymore. I found vaping did not present the (increased) nausea (undiagnosed crohn's disease) and lightheadedness smoking gave me at the time. I have had a hot bottle here and there which at worst made me sleepy even when I went up to basic builds on rda's. I found twisting round 32-26 guage wires slowed the heating of the coil and increased flavor and wick life leaving coils between .6 and .4 ohms. ive done experimenting in that range with high pg 12-18mg and handled it fine chain vaping but now am down to mixing down premium 6mg juices with vg and pg. I have a few different drippers that all fall in this moderate range between 30-35 watts. I have had many problems with my doctors withholding or changing medicine (all non narcotics) and complained several times of symptoms similar to what Rose described. The difference in my case is that my vaping usage and nicotine have both come down drastically and quitting a few days at a time only made me feel like crap. I did go to the ER, and told them what I do after an episode at the physical therapists office who now refuses to see me until they get a medical release from my primary care (the VA will never do this) gave them my ER tox, ekg, and several other blood tests and told them to call the ER who ordered the tests that came back "stellar" and was told "other than the weight you look great so whatever you are doing keep doing it". they tested me for a specific protein that occurs when heart tissue breaks down and was told this "was not a cardiac event". I have changed builds, rda's, cleaned rda's with hot water and alcohol to remove any residue left stagnant, gone to slower builds 28/28, 27/30, 26,30 vs reverse twisted 32/32 on 32/32, even bought a herakles pro with a 1.8 I run at 23/24 watts with mixed down 6mg juice. I don't feel the warm pleasant rush I got when testing several flavors, I feel terrible but I know where my juice is coming from and less nicotine from three vendors currently cannot be causing more of a reaction. I can tell from the first time I inhale anything above 6mg whether it's a hot bottle or being mixed from a higher concentration like 48mg or 100mg. even stashes of older juices I know for a fact were fine have the same effect. I'm currently using the herakles pro 1.8 @ 23.5 3mg or my mutation x's one at .4 one at .5 @ 30-34 watts. My stress load is through the roof with the VA, family, general poor health which vaping has been such a wonderful thing in my life for. I have diy'd and mix down practically everything I vape to around 3mg anyway but I don't understand how these symptoms could arise from and last though a large reduction in consumption overall, rate of consumption 7-8 down to maybe 2ml a day, and builds I can run at 32 watts. I had just recently started going up to 35 watts with 30/30 34 claptons which I think may not have been the problem either since I could run those at 32 watts. Surprisingly about 4 months after my initial serious episode my primary care doctor at the VA has still not even called or sent a letter to find out whether I'm doing ok. I have seen two clinicians at the VA and spoken with the patient advocate a few times about this and them withholding my prescription medications and they are still doing it. I don't drink or use any drugs besides very limited caffeine and nicotine. As for that doctor in particular, her response to me quitting smoking on my own without pharmaceuticals was with no evidence that vaping is worse than smoking even though my lungs were clear sounded and felt better and my blood pressure was low to regular. This hypocritical script she spewed at me including 'you should go back to smoking' follows the pharma/tobacco giant alliance that we now know is full of all kinds of poisons. Im going to go back to the Infectious Disease Clinic and try to get a statement from the physical therapist to see if maybe they misdiagnosed Lyme's disease as RMSF or maybe I have some kind of lung infection that doesn't make me cough or congest me. I'm lost because I went from being fine one day surrounded in sweet relaxing clouds to being hooked up to an ekg machine and nobody sees or hears anything.

If: anyone has a list of medications that intensify the negative effects of nicotine that would be extremely helpful. Thank you to any who read and reply.

 

[Bonskibon]

Though I'm not understanding a lot in your post, it seems to me if you've been vaping for four years without issue and all of a sudden your not doing well then something else seems to be at play here. I hope you get it all figured out. Welcome to the forums. Sorry I'm not much help.

 

[BrotherBob]

"As for that doctor in particular, her response to me quitting smoking on my own without pharmaceuticals was with no evidence that vaping is worse than smoking even though my lungs were clear sounded and felt better and my blood pressure was low to regular."
Welcome and glad you joined. Now if we can get all the doctors in the US to agree, we will have something.
Might like to read:
A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette
VapeWild Test Results

 

[Txaggiesaunt]

im trying to figure out what you're saying. What onset sensitivity are you taking about. Not explaining it well. Just a stab in the dark, could it be anxiety. I know my anxiety does all kinds of things to me. I would still seek the advice of a medical professional to try and get to the bottom of whatever is happening. I am in no way saying just asking if you deal with anxiety issues.

 

[vetwhovapes]

im trying to figure out what you're saying. What onset sensitivity are you taking about. Not explaining it well. Just a stab in the dark, could it be anxiety. I know my anxiety does all kinds of things to me. I would still seek the advice of a medical professional to try and get to the bottom of whatever is happening. I am in no way saying just asking if you deal with anxiety issues.

I'm aware, I'm self aware, and by process of elimination i have ruled anxiety out. I have anxiety issues/attacks but first of all i know my triggers and secondly i know when im having a panic attack. Some symptoms are similar to this problem and some i never had in my life before this. Also know how different (higher than expected) levels of nicotine affect me and that does not add to the anxiety related issues to complete the list. This is all new to me. As for what the sensitivity is i can't figure it out myself which is why I'm asking a community of vapers if anyone has expeienced this kind of thing only to be tested (drug, blood, sugar, ekg) and the tests all look great. ??????? I read the symptoms of nicotine poisoning and some symptoms are there others are not. The thing that confuses me is i can tell the difference between a freshly opened unmixed bottle and one thats been open for while. I know when a bottle gets labeled wrong or is made with aged nicotine. I also know that in order to overdose on a substance one has to consume enough of it to do so. You dont go 3/4 years vaping the same concentration (as much as possible) say up to 10 ml a day with no problem then all of a sudden the same juice from the same vendors 90% of the time to 2ml's and have 10x the sensitivity to it. I would understand if i had been 90W subtanking with .25 ohm coils for the first time and vaping 4 times as much juice in the same time frame. Im not doing that and i wouldnt, theres a huge amp draw doing that which can be just as important as the wattage build chamber size or nic level. I know from testing that warm little tingle when you have more nicotine than usual and that is not what im feeling. Nor would any of that linger for 3 months having some days with bad episodes which is why i went to the ER to be checked out and some days where i wake up after 6-8 hours of sleep feeling like i need to go to sleep. Early on when i started building tiger coils would give me headaches because they deliver the nicotine too fast. I dont use flat wire for anything anymore for that reason but at the time those headaches were a sign that i exceeded what my body was used to processing, the warm tingle came first then if i kept the same pace id get a headache but could sleep well and be fine the next day. Thats not happening now nor am I trailing a cloud around behind me all day like Pigpen. Drastically less juice on familiar wire build wicking and rda should not equal sensitivity x10. I hope thats a little more clear. Thanks for your reply.

 

[vetwhovapes]

"As for that doctor in particular, her response to me quitting smoking on my own without pharmaceuticals was with no evidence that vaping is worse than smoking even though my lungs were clear sounded and felt better and my blood pressure was low to regular."
Welcome and glad you joined. Now if we can get all the doctors in the US to agree, we will have something.
Might like to read:
A list of symptoms when quitting tobacco and changing to an ecigarette
VapeWild Test Results

Thanks and i did read the references you gave but it seems you misunderstood me as well.
My primary care doctor has seen so little of me she either forgot or didnt know that i quit analogs. She asked if i was smoking as much as before because my lungs sounded better than usual. when i told her about quitting without pharmaceuticals that i now use a vapor device and have 0 desire to return to analogs she went on a tirade about how toxic and horrible ecigs are to which i questioned her about the lack of harmful gasses formed as a byproduct of combusting preserved (cigs), she replied id be better off smoking. 'its the nicotine that causes cancer so even if the other chemicals arent there its still worse for you'
this is the VA, they rode me for years about my pack a day (5 packs in Baghdad at my worst) that i voluntarily cut to 3/4 - 1/2 pack a day before i quit then it was my diet.... The problem we have as vapers is that far too many doctors and hospitals are spewing the same corporatist script we all know to be false. Complete removal of carcinogens replaced with food grade kosher or USP ingedients all in soaps in every public bathroom, measused accurately and used responsibly cannot be less healthy. Nothing on earth should make a doctor in this day and age say 'you should go back to smoking' PERIOD. She had no evidence to dispute, no mention of diacetyl or any other phased out ingredients most companies don't use anymore. All she knows is that money isnt going to big pharma or big tobacco. 'well the liquid has less ingredients which means its more concentrated'
Following this i get harrassed have prescription meds withheld that include muscle relaxers and acid reducers the scripts are still written incorrectly and shipping time increased... This was why i asked if anybody knew of any foods or medicine that increases nicotine uptake. I stopped some temporarily some permanently but that was too long ago to influence this i think. The one med i started and quit during the affected period had no noticable affect on nicotine as my habbits didnt change. I wouldnt put it past the VA who pushes chantix and buproprion for their cessation to drop a med here or there they know would have an adverse effect, its not the first time they have done it to me. Ah, I....

anyway i reduced amitryptaline and quit that in sept/oct
cyclobenzaprine is short scripted and withheld purposely
ranitidine is withheld purposely
hyosciamine sulfate is withheld purposely
gabapentin was abruptly stopped over a year ago purposely
several medications have flipflopped between manufacturers and during the time period in question which feel to be ineffective all reported to the hospital admin/er/pharmacy/and clinicians still not one word from this sorry excuse for a PA-C.

Thanks for the references though. I'm not giving up.

 

[Opinionated]

Thanks and i did read the references you gave but it seems you misunderstood me as well.
My primary care doctor has seen so little of me she either forgot or didnt know that i quit analogs. She asked if i was smoking as much as before because my lungs sounded better than usual. when i told her about quitting without pharmaceuticals that i now use a vapor device and have 0 desire to return to analogs she went on a tirade about how toxic and horrible ecigs are to which i questioned her about the lack of harmful gasses formed as a byproduct of combusting preserved (cigs), she replied id be better off smoking. 'its the nicotine that causes cancer so even if the other chemicals arent there its still worse for you'
this is the VA, they rode me for years about my pack a day (5 packs in Baghdad at my worst) that i voluntarily cut to 3/4 - 1/2 pack a day before i quit then it was my diet.... The problem we have as vapers is that far too many doctors and hospitals are spewing the same corporatist script we all know to be false. Complete removal of carcinogens replaced with food grade kosher or USP ingedients all in soaps in every public bathroom, measused accurately and used responsibly cannot be less healthy. Nothing on earth should make a doctor in this day and age say 'you should go back to smoking' PERIOD. She had no evidence to dispute, no mention of diacetyl or any other phased out ingredients most companies don't use anymore. All she knows is that money isnt going to big pharma or big tobacco. 'well the liquid has less ingredients which means its more concentrated'
Following this i get harrassed have prescription meds withheld that include muscle relaxers and acid reducers the scripts are still written incorrectly and shipping time increased... This was why i asked if anybody knew of any foods or medicine that increases nicotine uptake. I stopped some temporarily some permanently but that was too long ago to influence this i think. The one med i started and quit during the affected period had no noticable affect on nicotine as my habbits didnt change. I wouldnt put it past the VA who pushes chantix and buproprion for their cessation to drop a med here or there they know would have an adverse effect, its not the first time they have done it to me. Ah, I....

anyway i reduced amitryptaline and quit that in sept/oct
cyclobenzaprine is short scripted and withheld purposely
ranitidine is withheld purposely
hyosciamine sulfate is withheld purposely
gabapentin was abruptly stopped over a year ago purposely
several medications have flipflopped between manufacturers and during the time period in question which feel to be ineffective all reported to the hospital admin/er/pharmacy/and clinicians still not one word from this sorry excuse for a PA-C.

Thanks for the references though. I'm not giving up.

I'm going to take a couple guesses here.. first your VA doctor sucks. Lol..

I'm expecting (as related by your medication list) that you have a spinal injury and/or permanent nerve damage, and that you have an ulcer,perhaps from years of medications.

(This is a guess based on my experience with some of the same meds, and why I have taken them)

Okay, so.. I haven't taken amitryptaline since I began vaping.. so I cannot say for a fact what interactions that might have.

I have both taken gabapentin and not taken gabapentin (depending on whether or not I could afford my prescriptions) during my time vaping, and compared to not taking gabapentin I'm more sensitive to nicotine while on the medication, verses less sensitive while not on it.

However, when you first stop taking gabapentin you are more sensitive to everything for a while, until your body adjusts to not having it.

Too much nicotine makes me nauseous, but when you first stop taking that particular med, everything makes me nauseous so you cannot say whether it's the nicotine or the meds.

However, my stomach sorted itself out within three or four months of stopping taking the medicine, so after a year.. I don't think it's the gabapentin at all..

Which actually makes us look at your ulcer more.. (I assume this is why you are taking hyosciamine sulfate) your stomach is already messed up to some degree, and in the last year the doctor is playing games with your meds.. (God, why?) All this together can leave your stomach and body in a state of simply being more sensitive in general to nicotine..

If you can afford it, I would go outside the VA and have an internist look at you.. mine costs 65.00 an office visit, so you might just want a second opinion on a few things, if you can scrape up the cash.. second opinions are often lifesaving..

 

[vetwhovapes]

I'm going to take a couple guesses here.. first your VA doctor sucks. Lol..

I'm expecting (as related by your medication list) that you have a spinal injury and/or permanent nerve damage, and that you have an ulcer,perhaps from years of medications.

(This is a guess based on my experience with some of the same meds, and why I have taken them)

Okay, so.. I haven't taken amitryptaline since I began vaping.. so I cannot say for a fact what interactions that might have.

I have both taken gabapentin and not taken gabapentin (depending on whether or not I could afford my prescriptions) during my time vaping, and compared to not taking gabapentin I'm more sensitive to nicotine while on the medication, verses less sensitive while not on it.

However, when you first stop taking gabapentin you are more sensitive to everything for a while, until your body adjusts to not having it.

Too much nicotine makes me nauseous, but when you first stop taking that particular med, everything makes me nauseous so you cannot say whether it's the nicotine or the meds.

However, my stomach sorted itself out within three or four months of stopping taking the medicine, so after a year.. I don't think it's the gabapentin at all..

Which actually makes us look at your ulcer more.. (I assume this is why you are taking hyosciamine sulfate) your stomach is already messed up to some degree, and in the last year the doctor is playing games with your meds.. (God, why?) All this together can leave your stomach and body in a state of simply being more sensitive in general to nicotine..

If you can afford it, I would go outside the VA and have an internist look at you.. mine costs 65.00 an office visit, so you might just want a second opinion on a few things, if you can scrape up the cash.. second opinions are often lifesaving..

you know me better than my doctor does. I wish I could go outside the VA, they had a fee based program for services they couldn't provide fast enough or at all but those are like golden tickets. that's the physical therapist who won't see me until I get a signed release from my PA-C I explained the VA doesn't do. I went to the ER got all the labs ekg and release from them and they wont accept it. this makes it look like I just didn't go to the appointments but I haven't seen that PA-C in over a year now. They do a lot of things like this because people who can afford it will go where being treated doesn't increase your VA benefits and people who cant afford it are stuck with whatever they get, even when its wrong.

Thank you.

 

[Opinionated]

you know me better than my doctor does. I wish I could go outside the VA, they had a fee based program for services they couldn't provide fast enough or at all but those are like golden tickets. that's the physical therapist who won't see me until I get a signed release from my PA-C I explained the VA doesn't do. I went to the ER got all the labs ekg and release from them and they wont accept it. this makes it look like I just didn't go to the appointments but I haven't seen that PA-C in over a year now. They do a lot of things like this because people who can afford it will go where being treated doesn't increase your VA benefits and people who cant afford it are stuck with whatever they get, even when its wrong.

Thank you.

Honestly, there are no words.. all I can do is to pray for you, I know it's Hell - it's all I can do.

 

[Txaggiesaunt]

For now I think I would go with 0mg of nic and see how you feel. If you feel the same then you know it's not the nicotine. Also might try unflavored.

 

[BrotherBob]

That's unflavored VG only.