Suggestion: One restricted-posting forum for all legislative/regulatory/critical news

[Roger_Lafayette]

One forum for people like SJ, Roly, Bill G., Kirsten, Jule W., C.V. and (who else am I missing? Additional access, maybe for actual or potenial occasional posters such as Clive Bates, D!ck Puddlecote and a few others like Dr. F. and so forth, perhaps).

Just for announcements. If organizing for a legislative fight was going on or some other activity for whch pubilc posting participation was helpful, then they could drop in a link to a thread in some forum with open posting.

The yellow banner that someone suggested in a CASAA conference call a few weeks ago (someone I know well ;-) is helpful, but perhaps more could be done for those of us who want to keep tabs on things like the coming FDA fight or biggies such as AB 1500 or critical devel.s in the EU as the TPD gets implemented by member states (etc.).

Stickies are good, but not everyone who perhaps should have the kind of access suggested here can create stickies. Also, it would be better to have one single forum, instead of having to go to multiple forums and check for stickies.

 

[Katya]

Strongly agree.

Elaine (Vocalek) should be on the list also.

A moderator? Sonic posts all the calls to action.

 

[Stosh]

Yes, yes, yes!!! A central knowledge repository to refer people from everywhere to read....

 

[DC2]

I vote yes...

 

[rolygate]

This is a useful suggestion. I can already think of the sort of forum title needed, it would involve the term 'Advocates'.

I suppose the main function would be information without chat, off-topic, uninformed or adversarial posts. The board title is probably critical to its success, something like Advocates' Updates or suchlike, perhaps?

 

[DC2]

Suggested title of subforum...
Deeming regulatons and the FDA: Input from trusted sources

 

[aubergine]

Strong yes here. (Thanks Roger). It would be enormously helpful, I think.

Title shouldn't imply that excluded comments/commenters are untrustworthy.

"FDA Regs -Updates from (Our) Advocates and Activists?"

I remember back in the day wading through those hundreds of pages of outrage, wild speculation, tangent, well-intended confusion and possibly deliberately planted obfuscation (not to go all tin foil hat), spread over divers threads, just trying to sort out the real issues and find up what the Good Judge was going to do. It's starting to get like that again... blegh.

"FDA Regs, from the Trenches" ?
I dunno...

 

[Katya]

FDA deeming regulations. Just the Facts, Ma'am.

Thanks, Roly!

 

[sonicdsl]

Do we want it limited to the FDA though? And what about our brothers and sisters in Europe with the EU/TPD debacle? And those from other areas facing unjustified regulation as well?


"Regulations Updates from the Advocates" perhaps?

 

[DC2]

Do we want it limited to the FDA though? And what about our brothers and sisters in Europe with the EU/TPD debacle? And those from other areas facing unjustified regulation as well?


"Regulations Updates from the Advocates" perhaps?

This is where my vote would go...

 

[Stosh]

Do we want it limited to the FDA though? And what about our brothers and sisters in Europe with the EU/TPD debacle? And those from other areas facing unjustified regulation as well?


"Regulations Updates from the Advocates" perhaps?

Makes a lot of sense, smokers everywhere need the option to vape. The FDA part of the suggestion is likely due to it's mention in half the posts throughout EFC. Seems to be on everyone's mind lately....

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

It was your idea, Dear ;-)

Strong yes here. (Thanks Roger). It would be enormously helpful, I think.

Title shouldn't imply that excluded comments/commenters are untrustworthy.

"FDA Regs -Updates from (Our) Advocates and Activists?"

I remember back in the day wading through those hundreds of pages of outrage, wild speculation, tangent, well-intended confusion and possibly deliberately planted obfuscation (not to go all tin foil hat), spread over divers threads, just trying to sort out the real issues and find up what the Good Judge was going to do. It's starting to get like that again... blegh.

"FDA Regs, from the Trenches" ?
I dunno...

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

Well I think the proposal in my OP here was to keep everything together, in order to let someone see everything at once. Critical ECF/CASAA announcments too - all in one central location. Speaking for myself, I'd definitely like to know what's going on in Europe.

After all, when Europe gets a cold, America comes down with the flu, right? (It just happened.)

Aubergine's original proposal is here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...some-point-next-few-weeks-5.html#post13079624

Do we want it limited to the FDA though? And what about our brothers and sisters in Europe with the EU/TPD debacle? And those from other areas facing unjustified regulation as well?


"Regulations Updates from the Advocates" perhaps?

 

[aubergine]

Well, I was especially envisioning one thread specific to the deeming regulations as all of that develops. It would provide a reference point when things begin to flounder and "grind", as someone put it, in the numerous threads where that's the overwhelming topic of interest.
Members can speculate, brainstorm, rage, opine, commiserate and provide all sorts of pertinent and useful information as always in the latter; the "advocates" thread would have the advantage of helping us all cut to the chase, clear away burgeoning misconceptions and controversies built around errors and efficiently keep up with what's genuinely significant by way of news and genuinely credible by way of interpreting it, bim, bam, boom.
If it's a more general-issue thread it might suffer from sprawl, though I agree that it's a good idea to include related regs applying to other countries.

I certainly do have a lot of verbs for what we ECFers do. It's why I love this forum, or one reason why, despite my occasional muttering and grumbling (I'd forgotten those).
Just longing for a little oasis of lucidity, to the extent that it can be had ...

 

[Katya]

I would also like to see a subforum/thread dedicated to the deeming regulations exclusively, like Aubergine suggested. This is going to be a prolonged battle, I'm afraid, and having one place to go to for the relevant and reliable information, sans chit chat, is absolutely necessary.

That is not to say that I'm not interested in Europe, Australia or other places, or CASAA's calls to action--but that should be separate from the FDA information. This may be the most important piece of legislation for all vapers, all over the world. The war to end all wars, perhaps.

We need to be well organized and focused and have all the data (including all the studies and relevant articles and calls to action) at our fingertips.

Just my

 

[Roger_Lafayette]

This thread is an example of why this special forum could be useful. It may not be the only thread of its kind on ECF: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...evious-apathy-re-fda-deeming-regulations.html

The solution IMO is not to just move the thread into the existing FDA Reg.s forum which is clogged with all sorts of stuff that may not be helpful (even the better threads are chock-full with flotsam and jetsam).

Katya, I think you're right - for now, we probably should have a separate FDA forum of the tye we've been discussing, at least until the comment period ends.

Organizing ECF denizens for comments is (so far as I can tell) job #1 for the next 8 weeks.

 

[Stosh]

A separate restricted section could easily contain a separate thread for "FDA statements deciphered" "Plans to address FDA regulations" "EU Regulations" "Australian Regulations" "US State by State Regulations" or even a separate thread for each state.....

The ability to review posts by the persons closely related to the fight, with insider insights for any of these related areas would be terrific, and educational.

 

[Katya]

Here's one document that should be in that section--very interesting read, BTW:

CASAA: Overview of CASAA's Action Plan Regarding Proposed FDA Regulations

 

[zapped]

A little late to the party but I agree 100 percent with the suggestion for a forum just for our advocates.

Too many of the responses to these threads are filled with outright speculation, conjecture and and thinly veiled agendas that arent always helpful to our cause IMO. And thats coming from a veteran, I have to wonder how those threads look to those who are new to the forums?

Im gonna take the word of those like Bill and Kristen over someone who has a strong opinion and just joined last month but do the new people know to do that?

Just the facts, from the experts would go a long way to clearing up misconceptions and misinformation while allowing people to formulate their own opinions and to discuss those opinions as OPINIONS in other threads.

I like the title with 'Just the Facts" mentioned earlier in this thread and Sonic will ALWAYS get my vote as I think he's one of the best mods we have here, bar none.

 

[sonicdsl]

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... and Sonic will ALWAYS get my vote as I think he's one of the best mods we have here, bar none.

How much do I owe you again for that??