Super T Manufacturing - Strata Dripping Atomiser

[asha23]

Because it seems that nothing negative can be said about this atomiser over on the Super T thread. I thought I'd post this here. It's a very unbiassed and honest opinion on the device and highlights some potential issues, dangers and pitfalls with the device that people ought to be aware of.

 

[emus]

I like Scott's cap better. The air will follow path of least resistance. Bulk of air will flow as crow flies from air hole to drip tip. Air of low mass relative to water may flow horizontal for very short distance then flow toward drip tip. Not horizontal like liquid demo. Not easy to demo the crow fly, laminar flow, turbulent flow, etc. Need high velocity air kissing coil; I don't see this w/ Super-T design. Scott made a very good case; thus I want Scott's cap

 

[Blix]

SuperDave comes off as paranoid and scared, and I've lost all respect for him. Accusing Scott of 5 year old agendas? W.T.F?

 

[asha23]

I said what my own personal opinion of the Strata was over on the Super T subforum. People should be aware that I got banned from the whole section for simply having an opinion on the device which doesn't sing it's praises and raising some safety concerns relating to using 18350 batteries with sub-ohm coils. Something that the majority of coils demonstrated are.

Considering this atomiser is designed in part to work hybridised with 18350 mods, this is something the maker should be making clear. A simple warning that it's not suitable for sub-ohm vaping on the 18350 mods it's supplied for and that the advanced coiling techniques demonstrated are only recommended for bigger battery configurations would suffice.

I'm happy that people are getting it set up. I'm sure with enough messing around I'll be able to as well. It doesn't forgive the attitude of Super T towards their paying customers and their slightly negligent and blasé attitude towards battery safety. I personally think this attitude stinks, but who am I to tell anyone how to run their business.

Finally, safety issues should be made CLEAR, both by the maker on his website and on forums. Defective atomisers should be immediately recalled. Not everyone is a member of ECF and they could get hurt using this atomiser with the defective supplied drip tip on some models sent. I think that this is negligent. So if nothing else, Scott's video rightly raises these concerns that the maker appears to be simply not addressing in a satisfactory manner. Hence me raising these concerns again.

He'll address them if someone hurts themselves and then sues him.

I am genuinely concerned. I have no "agenda" either. I'm just a vaper. I don't want fellow vapers to get hurt by this atomiser and with all the campaigns against us, it's the last thing this community needs.

 

[emus]

Suppose Dave incorporated Scott's photoshop side air jets. Still a big problem unless running quad coils. 4 air holes and single coil is a no bueno. Would still be far inferior to IGO-L. The air is pulled though air feeds and is high velocity for a very short distance. Coil must be very close to air feed on a mouth to lung side air feed topper. Single coil could be close to one of Scott's upgrade idea side air feeds but the remaining 3 side air feeds would contribute to very poor performance.

Pretty sure Scott knows all of this. Not so sure about Dave.

IMO.

 

[maf2k8]

Wow seems like Dave is locking down anything and everything that is spoken of the Strata over on his forum.

Only a matter of time until one of those battery shorts turns itself into a mod exploding or battery catching fire. Rather then locking down threads he should be offering a fix for the problem, replacement or refund....

I can see the lawsuits coming...

Oh and before anyone gets there panties in a bunch, This is by no means me bad mouthing Super T.. I am justing saying that if ANY company puts out something faulty that they should be addressing the problem rather then ignoring it. I can only see bad things happening.

 

[sparky750]

For some reason I'm seeing flash backs of totally wicked a few years back :unknown:

 

[Currynoah]

Hey there, yosser.

 

[asha23]

After having this in my hand, I have tried a number of different setups in it. I am an experienced coiler and vaper and I have found that the draw is way too airy. The "innovation" is just a step backwards, as using the coils people are suggesting to get the best results takes the ohms way too low for an 18350 battery.

Life is just too short. Why there is not an "official" setup video for this thing, I can't fathom. It appears that Super T are waiting for others to work out how to make the thing work before posting one, because frankly, I really don't think they know.

I'll be getting rid of it as soon as possible, as it's just not up to scratch. It's a first-stage concept for an atomiser and one that simply doesn't work. There needs to be some work done on it to bring it up to scratch... I slightly resend being treated like a tester on a product... I want a product that just works.

I don't care what the fanboys say about it. I'm not a direct lung inhaler, so don't want an airy draw. It's not for me. At all.

People used to conventional drippers simply won't like this.

1. The performance is not on a par with some of the best out there and
2. it's just too much of a faff to get set up so that it even produces a mediocre vape.

I'd also like to say that treating customers like beta testers is a massive issue. This atomiser should not have been sold to people without proper use-casing and testing. There are just too many flaws with it for me to be personally satisfied. And no. It's not because I'm some sort of noob, either. I have not drunk the Super T Kool Aid...

It reminds me a little of the iPhone antenna issue... "You are holding it wrong"

I give it 3 out of 10... 1 point for the nice supplied drip tip and 1 point for how nice it looks on a Simplicity... It's just not very good.

I'm happy if others can get it working. Good for you. But as a paying customer. I want an atomiser that works OUT OF THE BOX. Without having to create potentially dangerous coils.

 

[emus]

I don't have one. If I did, I'd make sure the 4 air feeds are completely closed and drill one IGO-L hole clear through the cap.

 

[maf2k8]

I don't have one. If I did, I'd make sure the 4 air feeds are completely closed and drill one IGO-L hole clear through the cap.

Good point but that would make it just a fancy looking 150.00 IGO-L..

 

[asha23]

At this point I'm genuinely considering all options. The only way I can see this working for me is to drill a hole through the topcap. It's such a missed opportunity I think, as it does look really lovely on the Simplicity.

 

[asha23]

It feels like a concept atomiser to me... It's not been refined at all. My guess is that Super T felt pressured to release it, even with it's flaws... I also think that in the coming weeks as more reviews come out, more and more people will realise this as well, forcing their hand, either with a replacement topcap, or a full recall.

it's not good enough to expect customers to work out how to set it up, then feed back to the maker. Once it's in the wild, it's too late.... There should be a clear and foolproof method (IE most other drippers/genesis, etc) as a starting point. Then you add on innovation for people who want to play around with it and create experimental builds.

I resent being treated like a beta-tester... It's not like Super T are a Chinese company... This atomiser has been in development for over a year... It just doesn't feel like a years worth of R&D has gone into it at all.

 

[emus]

Good point but that would make it just a fancy looking 150.00 IGO-L..

Fancy looking, I'll give it that.
IGO-L quality vape, I doubt it.
$150, yes please, can I have another

 

[Jimi D.]

Scott, Kudos to you man for keeping it real. I've enjoyed your reviews for many years, and will continue to do so. Thanks for your honest review.

 

[Currynoah]

Definitely an honest opinion, Scott. If I want an atomizer whereby I have to use a Snork coil or a dumbojumbo coil (whatever those things are), I would definitely consider getting this atomizer.

 

[emus]

Definitely an honest opinion, Scott. If I want an atomizer whereby I have to use a Snork coil or a dumbojumbo coil (whatever those things are), I would definitely consider getting this atomizer.

If Snork makes Strata work I wanna know. Could convert IGO-L into Angel vape.

 

[emus]

Couldn't help myself. I looked at the snork, etc Strata coils. Those clever special coils make sense for strata design. One sketch showed air supply flowing more horizontal than I suspect actually happens. I almost want a strata for the challenge. Armchair quarterback, I wouldn't attempt a single coil mouth to lung build. If the air channels are big enough I can see lung hit possibility; that's what I would attempt. One guy already did a short cloud chase YT vid. Another guy compared 0.6 ohm dual coil vapor production to 0.9 ohm KFL; not quite apples to apples and didn't show effect of AFC clocking. I could find zero strata YT reviews. I could have sworn I saw Todd setting up a strata a little while back? Maybe the other guy. Can't find it.

For mouth to lung my thought is to block 3 of 4 air holes. The open air hole will be Scott's idea. Except a slot instead of hole would be sufficient as air will follow crow's path to drip tip anyway. Slot maybe easier to DIY. I'd put coil about 0.5 mm from air feed.