I don't know how to carry a quote into a new thread, so this is from Adrena's post in another thread: I'm I the only Pagan vapor wanting to move off the batt and other wise electricity? I feel better not using paper and kill trees for my addiction. No butt litter and burning. But what to do with all the dead batt we vapors will have? Sure cell phones have batts and most don't get recycled. But there are lots of places to take them if your inclined to. I already send my dead Ce2 out for reuse. And save every juice bottle for sharing samples. I want to see a crank flash light mod pv mass produced. I've see them work, I have the blueprints. So why not?... As a pagan my tobacco was used for more the just smoking. Wonders if Pan wants an e cig. What do I do about a wasp sting now?... Some interesting ideas and we got all excited about music and it got buried, so I took the liberty of quoting it here to start a new thread. As nasty as analog cigs are, they're mostly organic (in terms of being mostly biological products, not "organic" like pesticide-free). How can we move toward earth-friendly e-cigs? I think that goddesses who like tobacco would still prefer a fine cuban cigar. How do you use tobacco for wasp stings, Adrena? I haven't heard that one.