I have been vaping for just over 18 months now and would not go back to analogs for anything. I started with NJoys and then switched to V4L for all my supplies. Now I am starting to experiment with buying juices from Backwoods and Johnson's Creek and filling my own cartos. My question is, I am thinking about moving up from KR8 batts since I vape fairly heavily and need something with a higher voltage and longer life. Would it be a smart move to switch to a 501 system? I have tried to drip with a buddy's set up but that just isn't for me. So I would not be switching for that reason. It just seems that there is more of everything out there for a 501 setup vs a KR8 rig. Any advice would be appreciated.
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You could always try the Echo which is essentially a big battery (1300mah) 808 system. You can check it out here.
Well, there are a lot of options for both, actually.
I use an eGo 900 mah battery and either a carto tank from Madvapes or Boge 2.0 cartomizers.
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A standard 510, or eGo, is lower voltage than a KR808D-1.
That said, a Riva 510 gets you larger battery size (mAh), and is at least pretty close in voltage, and has enough mAh to use with 2 ohm cartomizers.
For me, I went to variable voltage mods at 8 months. I tend to vape at 4.5 - 5V, with 2.5 - 3 ohm cartomizers, up in the 8 - 10W range. That's higher power than any of the classic proprietary PVs (KR808D-1, Riva or eGo 510, etc.), which directly translates to warmth, flavor, throat hit. It's pretty similar to using a simple 5V pass-through all the time, with the plus of being able to dial it up or down whenever I want.
A setup like mine runs about $120, with two sets of batteries and charger for the mod. I can run through 6 - 7 ml of eliquid between battery swaps, a good amount of vaping. I have 808 connectors on both of the mods I own, though I'm usually running them with an 808batt/801atty adapter, since I have been enjoying some 2.5 ohm 801 cartos.
V4L is due to come out with a 5V unit in a couple months, too, if you like the V4L products.
Good luck in whatever you choose!
That said, a Riva 510 gets you larger battery size (mAh), and is at least pretty close in voltage, and has enough mAh to use with 2 ohm cartomizers.
For me, I went to variable voltage mods at 8 months. I tend to vape at 4.5 - 5V, with 2.5 - 3 ohm cartomizers, up in the 8 - 10W range. That's higher power than any of the classic proprietary PVs (KR808D-1, Riva or eGo 510, etc.), which directly translates to warmth, flavor, throat hit. It's pretty similar to using a simple 5V pass-through all the time, with the plus of being able to dial it up or down whenever I want.
A setup like mine runs about $120, with two sets of batteries and charger for the mod. I can run through 6 - 7 ml of eliquid between battery swaps, a good amount of vaping. I have 808 connectors on both of the mods I own, though I'm usually running them with an 808batt/801atty adapter, since I have been enjoying some 2.5 ohm 801 cartos.
V4L is due to come out with a 5V unit in a couple months, too, if you like the V4L products.
Good luck in whatever you choose!
You mean a 510 right? If so, then your def right about there being alot of different attys/cartos you can use. 510 threading is prob considered the most popular and youll have a wide array of attys and cartos to choose from. I would def switch to a 510, but thats up to you.
Are you looking for a slim ecig? There are some decent 510 slim ecigs, but all slim ecigs still have limitations.
I would recommend going with a bigger battery PV. The battery life is ALOT better, and using a bigger battery PV will allow you to use LR attys and cartos, which most people prefer. Their are quite a few very affordable bigger battery PVs that have 510 threading. I would check out the Riva, kGo, and E-Power. They are all 3.7V, and work very well. I have an E-Power and absolutely love it. They are all similar, but the E-Power uses non-proprietary batteries instead. E-Power batteries cost $4-5 bucks compared to eGo/Riva/kGo batts that are $14-20, plus they last a lot longer before they need to be replaced. I also really like the E-Power bc everything on it is replaceable. With the Riva/kGo type PVs, the battery, tube, and switch is all one piece. If your switch stops working or you need to replace the battery, you have to replace the entire unit. With the E-Power, its all seperate. So if you need a new switch you can replace just the switch. I also find it much easier to carry a spare battery. With proprietary PVs you basically have to carry a second unit to have a spare. The E-Power batteries are about the size of a AA but alittle longer so its easy to throw a spare in your pocket. If your battery dies, unscrew the switch and pop in a fresh one and your good to go. The batteries are 1050mah and I get about a day to a day and a half on one battery, so you really never have to worry about not having a charged battery.
I also really like the kGo. They are proprietary batteries and cost about $18, but its a very nice PV and works great. The batteries are 1100mah so they last a long time too.
While I really like the kGo, I went with the E-Power bc its much cheaper to maintain and Im on a budget. Also Crystal Clear Vaping has a great deal on the E-Power and you get $25 in free stuff.
I think any of the three though youd be very happy with and its a nice upgrade compared to a slim ecig.
If you do get one of those I recommend trying the Ressurector cartos from CCV on them. You get a 5-pack for free with the Epower but they also work great on the Riva and kGo too. They are 1.7ohm and hold alittle over 2ml of juice so they last a long time before needing a refill.
All three give a very satisfying vape and a lot more oomph compared to a slim ecig.
Are you looking for a slim ecig? There are some decent 510 slim ecigs, but all slim ecigs still have limitations.
I would recommend going with a bigger battery PV. The battery life is ALOT better, and using a bigger battery PV will allow you to use LR attys and cartos, which most people prefer. Their are quite a few very affordable bigger battery PVs that have 510 threading. I would check out the Riva, kGo, and E-Power. They are all 3.7V, and work very well. I have an E-Power and absolutely love it. They are all similar, but the E-Power uses non-proprietary batteries instead. E-Power batteries cost $4-5 bucks compared to eGo/Riva/kGo batts that are $14-20, plus they last a lot longer before they need to be replaced. I also really like the E-Power bc everything on it is replaceable. With the Riva/kGo type PVs, the battery, tube, and switch is all one piece. If your switch stops working or you need to replace the battery, you have to replace the entire unit. With the E-Power, its all seperate. So if you need a new switch you can replace just the switch. I also find it much easier to carry a spare battery. With proprietary PVs you basically have to carry a second unit to have a spare. The E-Power batteries are about the size of a AA but alittle longer so its easy to throw a spare in your pocket. If your battery dies, unscrew the switch and pop in a fresh one and your good to go. The batteries are 1050mah and I get about a day to a day and a half on one battery, so you really never have to worry about not having a charged battery.
I also really like the kGo. They are proprietary batteries and cost about $18, but its a very nice PV and works great. The batteries are 1100mah so they last a long time too.
While I really like the kGo, I went with the E-Power bc its much cheaper to maintain and Im on a budget. Also Crystal Clear Vaping has a great deal on the E-Power and you get $25 in free stuff.
I think any of the three though youd be very happy with and its a nice upgrade compared to a slim ecig.
If you do get one of those I recommend trying the Ressurector cartos from CCV on them. You get a 5-pack for free with the Epower but they also work great on the Riva and kGo too. They are 1.7ohm and hold alittle over 2ml of juice so they last a long time before needing a refill.
All three give a very satisfying vape and a lot more oomph compared to a slim ecig.
...the 808s are nice units...for some folks...moving to a(non slimline) 510 system, opens up a whole new world of vaping you cannot reproduce with 808 gear with very few exceptions like echo, previously mentioned...at this point in your vaping career, I would follow Robs advice...the E-Power is an excellent entry level priced mod with great batts and the Resurrectors can't be beat for use on 3.7v PVs...good deals on both can be had from Crystal Clear Vaping/E-Power .... Crystal Clear Vaping/Resurrectors and Hoosier E Cig Supply
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I really appreciate all the help we get on this forum.
Yeah, I meant a 510. Thanks for catching that Rob. I like a slim ecig when I am not at home and can use a passthrough at work, most of the time. But I really want something that I can get the most enjoyment out of when I am at home. I really like the sound of the E-Power. I will have to check that out.
Are dual coil cartos the way to go?
Yeah, I meant a 510. Thanks for catching that Rob. I like a slim ecig when I am not at home and can use a passthrough at work, most of the time. But I really want something that I can get the most enjoyment out of when I am at home. I really like the sound of the E-Power. I will have to check that out.
Are dual coil cartos the way to go?
I still use all KR808 gear. I have V4L batts, 650 & 1300 Echo batts and 808 threaded Ego batts. I have an 808 carto tank on the way plus some new stealth batts from D&B Gold. The only 510 gear I've got in my kit are the rejuvenator cartos which I use with an adaptor. If you want to stay with 808's but want more options check out Cropduster and D&B Gold who are both top shelf suppliers.
Good choice. I have some echo-e batteries and they're the best batteries I own. 510, 1300 mah, 4.2 volts.
No problem! I figured you meant 510. Slim ecigs are okay, but like others stated, they def have some limitations. A bigger battery PV would be alot better and personally I feel they give a lot more satisfying vape. And whats sweet is that many of the bigger battery PVs like the ones I mentioned are actually about about the same price as many slim ecigs and sometimes even cheaper! I know you said you like a slim ecig when your out but the E-Power or similar size devices arnt really that big. Their obviously bigger than a slim ecig, but I dont find them overly big at all. I wouldnt want to carry something like a silver bullet or some of the bigger tube mods like a Provari or Lavatube in my pocket, but the E-Power size I dont find bad at all. I take it everywhere with me and I dont mind carrying it in my pocket at all. Yeah a slim ecig might be alittle easier to carry, but for the much better performance of a bigger battery PV, I dont mind making that tradeoff at all. And now the new switch has a 5-click on/off feature so you can carry in in your pocket and not have to worry about pocket firing.
I think you would def like the E-power. Its a solid PV thats affordable and very cheap to maintain. I really like the kGo too but dont like that the kGo, Riva, eGos use proprietary batts. The kGo batteries are about $18 for a replacement which is what I didnt like being right out of college and being on a budget since I pay for school myself. You can buy 4 E-Power batteries for the price of one kGo/Riva/eGo battery. That def adds up over time. And since they are cheap you can get a few and then you never have to worry about a dead battery bc its very easy to throw a spare in your pocket or car.
Plus CCVs deal for the E-Power is awesome. You get everything you need to get going. Free Ressurectors, free 30ml juice of your choice, and free shipping. Dont forget put in "ecf5off" and get 5% off the order.
As far as dual coils Im not a huge fan of them. I feel like alot of people want to use them bc they sound like theyd be so much better, but at 3.7V or 3.4V on an eGo, their really not. The dual coils are a LOT better in the 4-5V range, but at 3.7V their just okay. Dont get me wrong, their not bad and they do work, but I just feel like they are really nothing special unless you use them at higher voltages. I use the Ressurector cartos and think they are a lot better than DCs on a 3.7V like the E-Power. Their 1.7ohm and hold alittle over 2ml of juice so they last a long time. I fill 2 in the morning and put in a fresh battery before I go to work and I dont have to worry all day. It makes it really easy. Many people feel the Ressurectors produce vapor similar to a DC too, even though they are single coil, and its nice bc they dont drain your battery like a DC does. I always get at least a full day on a battery using the Ressurectors. I could get more but I recharge my batteries at about 25% left because they last longer when you dont drain them all the way. If you do want to try DCs on the E-Power though, there is a dual coil that is designed specifically for the E-Power. Its 1.5ohms and holds alittle over 5ml of juice which is pretty ridiculous. It holds as much or more as alot of carto tanks! I dont use them but have tried one and they work pretty well. I just prefer the Ressurectors or a Ressurector in a tank. You can also now get pre-punched Ressurectors with the metal plate on them to be used in the Smoktech tanks that CCV just started selling, and he has a great price for them. Im prob going to order one of the 3.5ml tanks tonight to use on my E-Power. They also sell 6.5ml tanks but I fiind that they look kind of akward and are really topheavy on E-Powers, kGos, eGos, Rivas, etc. The 3.5ml tanks arnt as fat and look pretty nice on that size PV. Plus they are easier to carry around when your out. I am plenty satisfied with using the Ressurectors without a tank bc 2ml is still alot, but Im prob gona get a 3.5ml tank to use at home just so they can hold alittle more juice.
Goodluck with everything!!
Here are "510" generally refers to the slim 510 which is not a step up from KR808D-1 - it's a step sideways and a bit down in power and charge
If you mean a fat battery 510-threaded device, if you have any plan to use your KR8 cartos on it (with an adapter) then make sure you get a 3.7v fat battery device or mod. Ego is around 3.4v. I use the Riva 510 from Liberty-Flights.com - their Riva 510 kits are from the right manufacturer and new 3.7v stock. And if you plan to pocket it, consider the Riva 510 SE - they may have some kits with the 3-click enable/disable.
And some get Kgo - you could check if that is 3.7v.
If you mean a fat battery 510-threaded device, if you have any plan to use your KR8 cartos on it (with an adapter) then make sure you get a 3.7v fat battery device or mod. Ego is around 3.4v. I use the Riva 510 from Liberty-Flights.com - their Riva 510 kits are from the right manufacturer and new 3.7v stock. And if you plan to pocket it, consider the Riva 510 SE - they may have some kits with the 3-click enable/disable.
And some get Kgo - you could check if that is 3.7v.
Thanks again to everyone. Based on what I've been told here and what I have looked at, I think I am going to have to choose between the Echo Stealth (I hate LEDs. I use V4L's stealth batts now.) and the E-Power. I am leaning toward the E-Power because of the modular construction. I will make my decision this weekend and let you all know what I decided and how it all goes!
I am giving you an extra push toward the echo. I too have been a lover of 808's. I upgraded to a 510 and quickly bought an adapter for my 808 carts. Soon after I discovered my echo and have been very happy. Get both the single coil and dual coil carts. Dual coils put out great warm vapor but the single coils are still a little better on flavor and be more of what you are used to. They hold 3mls of juice and I have been using the same two carts for a week and a half without even needing to clean them.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/189567-echo-thread.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/189567-echo-thread.html
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Just so you know, the echo-e doesn't have a LED. I assume the echo/echo-e are the same. I went with the echo-e because I have a lot of 510 batteries/carts, etc.
Every pv in the world has pros/cons.
With the echo, if you want to try the modded carto/tank you will need an adaptor. They may have them for the KR808 but I haven't seen them. Not a big thing at all, they only cost a dollar or two. Same if you want to try dual coils or the 1.7 cartos. You need the adaptor.
With the echo-e, I need an adaptor/extendor for the 1.7 cartos which I do like. Boge, dccc are fine. For some reason the threading must be too tall for the carto.
E-power there have been some switch problems which I think may be resolved. There are a couple of threads in the General section about that. Not a negative, just a FYI.
All are good- ego, kgo, igo, gogo, echo-e, echo, e-power. I'm sure you'll be happy with any of them.
Nope. I've still got a little knick knack shopping for christmas and after that it will be all about me again. I'll clean when I get more in. Keep checking. By that time I will have gone two weeks on the same 2 carts! I was at 80/20 ratio. Today I vaped all day with 30% vg and still the cart is rockin!
I believe the 14650 E-Power switch problem is pretty well resolved and if you buy it from either Andrew at crystlaclearvaping.com or from Brent at hoosierecigsupply.com, they will come with the latest switches and batt springs...they will also take quick care of you should you have problems with them...I now have 3 E-Powers(2 made up from parts) and all are work horses......
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They are meant to be cleaned. The filler comes out of the carto. I don't know if you saw it but there are a couple tutorials on how to do it. Supposedly they can be cleaned/reused 100x.
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I believe the 14650 E-Power switch problem is pretty well resolved and if you buy it from either Andrew at crystlaclearvaping.com or from Brent at hoosierecigsupply.com, they will come with the latest switches and batt springs...they will also take quick care of you should you have problems with them...I now have 3 E-Powers(2 made up from parts) and all are work horses......
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They do sound good. I might get one after Christmas. I just wanted to OP to be aware that every pv out there might have a few issues. Better to know what to look for if you do.
I saw it. I have a single coil and a dual coil. (and a dual coil echo-e that is being ignored) Not much difference, really. Except the dual coil can't be taken apart. Reason the echo-e is being ignored is because I mixed a new batch of juice, exactly like I have always done, didn't test it and for some reason, something was terribly wrong. If it was single coil, it would have been taken apart by now......
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