Synthetic or Non tobacco nicotine now available, thoughts, theories?

[Vapntime]

We now have the opportunity to purchase this product, what does everybody think?

NTN (Non-tobacco Nicotine) - Wholesale E Cigarette Liquid , Buy liquid nicotine online, Buy E liquid nicotine wholesale

$50 for 100ml @100mg/ml
$300 for a litre @100mg/ml

 

[Nermal]

That sure is a lot of money.

 

[sofarsogood]

We now have the opportunity to purchase this product, what does everybody think?

NTN (Non-tobacco Nicotine) - Wholesale E Cigarette Liquid , Buy liquid nicotine online, Buy E liquid nicotine wholesale

$50 for 100ml @100mg/ml
$300 for a litre @100mg/ml

Your link doesn't work but if your notes mean to say that the synthetic version will cost $300 compared to $50 for naturally derived and if the courts protect it from regulation then it seems like a work around to FDA regulations to me. My current DIY costs $30 per year including nicotine (a one liter bottle lasts me 4 years). If my nic cost $300 per liter it adds about $65 to the annual cost, still not much compared to the $3,000 I was spending for a year of smoking. But my plan is to have a nic supply at present prices so I wouldn't be in the market for this product for 10-20 years.

 

[Vapntime]

Your link doesn't work but if your notes mean to say that the synthetic version will cost $300 compared to $50 for naturally derived and if the courts protect it from regulation then it seems like a work around to FDA regulations to me. My current DIY costs $30 per year including nicotine (a one liter bottle lasts me 4 years). If my nic cost $300 per liter it adds about $65 to the annual cost, still not much compared to the $3,000 I was spending for a year of smoking. But my plan is to have a nic supply at present prices so I wouldn't be in the market for this product for 10-20 years.

You can find it at Hiliq.com under NTN. Yea, well it only works out at $100 more for me per liter compared to the premium nic (US) I already get plus shipping to Australia. Alot of people in Australia already get their 'natural' nicotine from there which is good but not as good as some US companies.

 

[sofarsogood]

You can find it at Hiliq.com under NTN. Yea, well it only works out at $100 more for me per liter compared to the premium nic (US) I already get plus shipping to Australia. Alot of people in Australia already get their 'natural' nicotine from there which is good but not as good as some US companies.

I'm not sure what you mean by premium. There are some ultra pure offerings, apparently used for lab experiments. It seems doubtful vapers need anything better than what we can buy for $50 unless it effected shelf life, which I suspect it doesn't. May be we can hope that the Trump win will help with government interference and we won't need synthetic. The people whining the loudest about vaping are tax supported. Their gravey train will get smaller as smokers switch to vaping. Trump's win suggests a lot of Americans want to marginalize these kinds of people. A lot of American workers are unrealistic about what kinds of jobs might be available in the future but they would rather work than get government welfare.

 

[Vapntime]

I'm not sure what you mean by premium. There are some ultra pure offerings, apparently used for lab experiments. It seems doubtful vapers need anything better than what we can buy for $50 unless it effected shelf life, which I suspect it doesn't. May be we can hope that the Trump win will help with government interference and we won't need synthetic. The people whining the loudest about vaping are tax supported. Their gravey train will get smaller as smokers switch to vaping. Trump's win suggests a lot of Americans want to marginalize these kinds of people. A lot of American workers are unrealistic about what kinds of jobs might be available in the future but they would rather work than get government welfare.

Premium vendors like nude nicotine, carolina or Vapers tek.

 

[sofarsogood]

Premium vendors like nude nicotine, carolina or Vapers tek.

Nic can cost more money but I haven't noticed the sellers making specific claims about advantages to their higher priced product. I'd want to hear about those benefits before paying 2 or 3 times the money.

 

[r77r7r]

Not sure if tobacco derived nic has that much of the original source left in it after processing?? Kurt may have already addressed this previously.

 

[daviedog]

Just to compare tobacco to oranges.

Rose Hips cost more than Ascorbic acid..

 

[zoiDman]

We now have the opportunity to purchase this product, what does everybody think?

NTN (Non-tobacco Nicotine) - Wholesale E Cigarette Liquid , Buy liquid nicotine online, Buy E liquid nicotine wholesale

$50 for 100ml @100mg/ml
$300 for a litre @100mg/ml

I think that if a Person tries a Few Different Nicotine Bases, that they can find High Quality Nicotine Base that has Very Little Taste. And at Significantly Lower Price.

I also believe the NTN may be able to Fall Through some current Regulatory Cracks. But will Not be able to do so Forever.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I would not pay this high price unless it is the only nicotine left on market.

EDIT: And I have no idea what chemicals are used for synthesizing nicotine, how difficult purification is compared to tobacco nicotine (which one is easier to purify?)

 

[Alien Traveler]

Sorry, double post

 

[sofarsogood]

I think that if a Person tries a Few Different Nicotine Bases, that they can find High Quality Nicotine Base that has Very Little Taste. And at Significantly Lower Price.

I also believe the NTN may be able to Fall Through some current Regulatory Cracks. But will Not be able to do so Forever.

We might ask the FDA, can kids by liquid with synthetic nicotine because it's not derived from tobacco?

 

[zoiDman]

We might ask the FDA, can kids by liquid with synthetic nicotine because it's not derived from tobacco?

If the FDA wants to have the Authority to Regulate 0mg under "Intended Use", what do You think their Answer would be?

 

[beckdg]

Nic can cost more money but I haven't noticed the sellers making specific claims about advantages to their higher priced product. I'd want to hear about those benefits before paying 2 or 3 times the money.

Taste them?

My 50mg/ml juice costs me ~$6.00 per 120ml with VT clean nic or NN Nude Armour.

A small price to pay so my juice doesn't taste like cat urine, old ash tray or chemicals.

Tapatyped

 

[Eskie]

I would not pay this high price unless it is the only nicotine left on market.

EDIT: And I have no idea what chemicals are used for synthesizing nicotine, how difficult purification is compared to tobacco nicotine (which one is easier to purify?)

Nicotine from tobacco is simply obtained by extraction and distillation to clean it up. If you can run a still you have the skills to "make" nicotine. Manufactured nicotine is a synthesis with multiple steps to build the nicotine molecule. Very involved and expensive, and only necessary if you think you can convince the FDA and the courts it's not a tobacco product.

Personally, I wouldn't be buying stock in a company devoted only to making synthetic nicotine. Too expensive, no benefit in performance, and a low chance you'll get away with it for very long before the loophole is closed.


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[Rossum]

Hmm...
Testing from Next Generation Labs Finds HiLIQ’s NTN is Derived From Tobacco

and actual test results:
http://www.nextgenerationlabs.com/w.../02/1-NGL_HiLiq_authenticity_Report_FINAL.pdf

 

[snork]

Hmm...
Testing from Next Generation Labs Finds HiLIQ’s NTN is Derived From Tobacco

and actual test results:
http://www.nextgenerationlabs.com/w.../02/1-NGL_HiLiq_authenticity_Report_FINAL.pdf

Well that's interesting but not surprising.
For the life of me I can't figure any advantage to synthetic nicotine unless it became cheaper than tobacco-derived, unless one thinks that semantic games will win the war.

 

[Mazinny]

We now have the opportunity to purchase this product, what does everybody think?

NTN (Non-tobacco Nicotine) - Wholesale E Cigarette Liquid , Buy liquid nicotine online, Buy E liquid nicotine wholesale

$50 for 100ml @100mg/ml
$300 for a litre @100mg/ml

Hmm...
Testing from Next Generation Labs Finds HiLIQ’s NTN is Derived From Tobacco

and actual test results:
http://www.nextgenerationlabs.com/w.../02/1-NGL_HiLiq_authenticity_Report_FINAL.pdf

Interesting. Any response from HiLIQ ? This doesn't look good for the industry, if HiLIQ is selling tobacco derived nicotine as synthetic and charging 6 times the price for it .... This is a test commissioned by a competitor, but i doubt they will issue a press release if the results can't be replicated.

More ammo for the FDA to claim rogue players in this industry, or perhaps evidence that the industry can police itself !?

 

[Mazinny]

Nicotine from tobacco is simply obtained by extraction and distillation to clean it up. If you can run a still you have the skills to "make" nicotine. Manufactured nicotine is a synthesis with multiple steps to build the nicotine molecule. Very involved and expensive, and only necessary if you think you can convince the FDA and the courts it's not a tobacco product.

Personally, I wouldn't be buying stock in a company devoted only to making synthetic nicotine. Too expensive, no benefit in performance, and a low chance you'll get away with it for very long before the loophole is closed.


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How do you think Judge Leon would have ruled in the Sottera ( Njoy ) case in 2011, if the nicotine was synthetic ? Would there have been an ecig market currently in the U.S ?