Telegraph article claims "i was smoking the equivalent of 40 cigarettes a day"

[manuel_labor]

A friend shared this with me over facebook in an obvious "you need to quit now" ploy. www. telegraph.co. uk/women/womens-health/11058158/E-cigarette-WHO-ban-I-thought-vaping-was-safe.html

The article is intimating that the woman's pharmacist (chemist in England) told her she had to stop vaping NOW citing the new WHO "ban"

In the end she says she was addicted and had to use a patch (hmm wonder who's paying her) to wean herself off vaping. It's obvious ANTZ propaganda but I wanted to throw it out so people can be prepared for well meaning relatives and friends who are going to send it to them.

 

[Spazmelda]

I read this yesterday, I think. It's a truly redonkulous article. The comments are also infuriating. There's a trollish type commenting on almost every post, saying vape supporters are all astroturfers paid by the vaping industry. Over and over. Oh well, at least he/she comes off looking like an idiot...

 

[ckquatt]

When I read this in the comments section that was all I needed to know about Mrs. Lloyd and the article...

Ld Williams • 10 hours ago

Looked up her Linked in Profile and she is a PR executive at BJL London which is a PR and advertising company...

BLJ London is an independent public relations firm with extensive experience in executing high-profile campaigns, and a proven strategic approach to help clients shape images, protect and enhance reputations, achieve business objectives, and influence public opinion. It has associate offices in New York, London, and Doha and beyond. BLJ London is managed by a group of distinguished former news executives and Downing Street political advisors.

 

[Uma]

Great catch ciquatt!
The same tactics were & still are used in the "war" on smokers. Lies lies and more filthy lies. Here is a fantastic site that shares the battle tactics that ex-smokers need always be re mindful of. TobaccoControl Tactics

 

[dragonpuff]

Bill Godshall posted this article in another thread (in addendum to what else was going on there, on page 4 or something), and he described this article as "truly pathetic" my sentiments exactly.

Get ready, we will see more sham stories like this down the line as our conflict heats up... the bigger vaping gets, the more pushy and deceptive our opponents will get.

I don't believe they will win though. They may have the money, but we are growing in number every day. Almost everyone knows someone who vapes, and many of us are not shy about arguing our position. Most people are more inclined to trust their friend than what they saw on the evening news last night. Given enough time we will win out.

 

[Stosh]

The comments section is fun, and they let you get as snarky as you like.....

 

[Shirtbloke]

Yes I saw this article and then the lady's Linkedin profile and the conspiracy theorist in me was pretty sure she was shilling for someone, but the question is who?

A quick look at her company's website reveals it could be anybody from Walt Disney to The British Association of Urologists, but then they probably wouldn't shout about it if it was a tobacco company, such is today's world.

 

[NymeriaSand]

I've just read this article and it's absolute fear mongering at it's worst! Doesn't even read like a news article, more like a horror novel, it's claims are so absurdly OTT.

I would hope most sensible people could see it for what it is but I doubt it, throw the WHO citation in and then I guess it must be true! Haha!

I mean some no name doctor claimed she was vaping the equivalent of 40 a day?! He/she must know far more about nicotine absorption through vaping than anyone! I mean a total newb could spend less than an hour reading threads on this to learn that nic level is totally personal and not necessarily reflective of pervious smoking habit!

 

[Anjaffm]

utter BS. yuck.
and great find, ckquatt ! So some female working in PR gets paid to throw out some fearmongering crap to serve her paymasters. Yuck.

 

[MonkInsane]

Left a few nice replies in the comments section, Bung of bull! Big pharma flexing its muscles again...

 

[Anjaffm]

In this connection, this little story makes good reading
Those who have read the fearmongering nonsense "article" may find it amusing. I sure did
Noddy and his e-cig; a tale I made up completely

 

[XJ-linux]

We vapers know better, but the general public doesn't, thus making them the general public (borrowing a line). Until we get a 30 second spot on the Superbowl and a full page spread in a major paper (that gets reported on TV or the internet news channels) these crap stories are all most people will ever know. Someone needs to write up something that is simple, and short that basically debunks these disingenuous statements and says that no one knows enough to make ANY decision about them yet. We need a message that someone who doesn't give a rat's ... about vaping can comprehend in 30 seconds and get behind (or at least stay out of the way of). We lose people when we delve into rebuildables, carts, arguing about flavors or chemical compositions in detail. Stick with what we know, what we can defend, and what people care about

It isn't smoke, nothing burns, no particulate solids.
It's an asthma medicine base with nicotine and flavor in it.
Nicotine is as harmless as caffeine. Tar is what kills.
Harm reduction saves you (the taxpayer) money!

Leave the details that put everyone asleep (even me) for the hearings. This will be won or lost in the court of popular opinion and the media. Get ahead of that, you win. No one cares about the technical stuff or even if this stuff contains tetraethlydeath, as tobacco being around and for sale on every corner bears out. They only care about what the loudest voice's short summation of the technical stuff means.

 

[dragonpuff]

We vapers know better, but the general public doesn't, thus making them the general public (borrowing a line). Until we get a 30 second spot on the Superbowl and a full page spread in a major paper (that gets reported on TV or the internet news channels) these crap stories are all most people will ever know. Someone needs to write up something that is simple, and short that basically debunks these disingenuous statements and says that no one knows enough to make ANY decision about them yet. We need a message that someone who doesn't give a rat's ... about vaping can comprehend in 30 seconds and get behind (or at least stay out of the way of). We lose people when we delve into rebuildables, carts, arguing about flavors or chemical compositions in detail. Stick with what we know, what we can defend, and what people care about

It isn't smoke, nothing burns, no particulate solids. - no smoke, no fire, vapor isn't persistent - safety and environment
It's an asthma medicine base with nicotine and flavor in it. - vapor doesn't mean "bad"; your consume this already minus the nicotine - authority association
Nicotine is as harmless as caffeine. Tar is what kills. - nicotine isn't the de facto enemy, tar is - focus on the real threat
Harm reduction saves you (the taxpayer) money! - tobacco costs you big time, even if you don't vape or smoke - greed and financial security


Leave the details that put everyone asleep (even me) for the hearings. This will be won or lost in the court of popular opinion and the media. Get ahead of that, you win. No one cares about the technical stuff or even if this stuff contains tetraethlydeath, as tobacco being around and for sale on every corner bears out. They only care about what the loudest voice's short summation of the technical stuff means.

I agree wholeheartedly. The problem is getting the word out. When you turn on the TV, try to find a single station that runs commercials which doesn't run any advertisements for pharmaceuticals. Big pharma is by far the most active opponent of vapor technology, and any news station that wants to actually be balanced (as news should be) has to contend with the loss of giant amounts of funding from these companies. Take that effect and extend it across all media - what you get are a bunch of businesses who won't tell the truth about e-cigs for fear of losing their funding.

In other words, big pharma is the puppet master of health media. They control everything, and anyone who wants to speak against them gets their strings cut, and falls.

 

[AgentAnia]

Christopher Snowden, on his "Velvet Glove Iron Fist" blog, has a thing or two to say about this article: http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2014/09/pig-ignorant-two-bit-columnist-of-month.html

I can only make snarky comments on it; it deserves no better. It occurred to me while reading it that there should be a Bulwer-Lytton prize for bad writing on ecigs and vaping. This one surely deserves it. With its breathless, narcissistic hyperbole, it reads like author's background is writing for True Confessions magazine.

Dragonpuff, you are correct. Has anyone else noticed that BP adverts are particularly prevalent on the media channels (and therefore media channels derive a majority of BP advertising $$)? Hmmm...

 

[Anjaffm]

@AgentAnia:
Thank you for the link!

Hey, I found a gem (in connection with your link):

Lifetime Medical Costs of Obesity: Prevention No Cure for Increasing Health Expenditure
PLOS Medicine: Lifetime Medical Costs of Obesity: Prevention No Cure for Increasing Health Expenditure

The model predicted that until the age of 56, yearly health costs were highest for obese people and lowest for healthy-living people. At older ages, the highest yearly costs were incurred by the smoking group. However, because of differences in life expectancy (life expectancy at age 20 was 5 years less for the obese group, and 8 years less for the smoking group, compared to the healthy-living group), total lifetime health spending was greatest for the healthy-living people, lowest for the smokers, and intermediate for the obese people.

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It isn't smoke, nothing burns, no particulate solids.
It's an asthma medicine base with nicotine and flavor in it.
Nicotine is as harmless as caffeine. Tar is what kills.
Harm reduction saves you (the taxpayer) money!

Leave the details that put everyone asleep (even me) for the hearings. ...

I fully agree. This is the way I tell the story when I speak about vaping.
No use overloading the audience.

However, the press are all bought and paid for by their advertisers. As mentioned above. And those advertisers are not us