Temp control?

[Ms. Shauna Burlew]

whats up with temp contro? What's it all about and why? I heard mixed reviews about it. I wanna know what it's all about before I jump on the bandwagon lol. All I want is a lot of flavor and a nice clean hit with no burned taste or spitback and leakage. Dripping sounds great but again I'm not familiar w it nor do I know how to build. So it's not practical for me at this stage.

 

[englishmick]

So, what do you use at the moment? Does it fall short of what you are looking for?

I use pretty simple gear. I've figured out how to make it do what I want. Never used temp control so I can't help on that one.

 

[Boden]

I'd wait until the reserch catches up with the development.

On a more practical level, unless you get dry hits it's not worth the hassle in my opinion.

 

[Clied Died]

I'd imagine TC is for the mods that have 0 ramp up time from cold to white hot (which aren't any of the ones i've seen with that feature). Also you could switch between flavor or cloud chasing. The latter could be handled with the right rda though. The whole idea sounds more novelty than anything.

 

[IMFire3605]

TC and Temp Regulation mods serve several functions. They use exotic wires with very low resistance, Nickel Ni200 and Titanium, these wire have a significant shift in resistance as they heat up that can be detected and calculated against to make a calculated guess what temperature they are at. Using that calculation the firmware can a lot of times also detect when you are low on liquid.

Still the main reasons Evolv came out with the DNA40 board was another flare up discussion of diketones (Diacetyl and AP) as well as formaldihydes and acroliene gas being in liquids or the vapor aerosol due to dry hits and such, so thus TC was born. To control toxins like formaldihyde and a lot of times though no diketones are in the flavors put into liquids, once a liquid reaches a certain temperature these flavorings mixing together at said temp could also create D/AP diketones, keep the liquid under this threshold, the diketones do not form unless the diketone is already present from the get go. When it comes to dry coils, here is where formaldihydes and acroliene gasses were being formed from the breakdown or wicking, and/or breakdown of VG and PG at extreme temperatures, thus if you can throttle the temperature at the coil from creating any of these states you could control the what is actually in the vapor aerosol and bad stuff from ever forming.

So...
1) Control diketones and acroliene gas from forming at certain temperature thresholds
2) Control formaldihyde from forming from burning dry wicking
3) Control flavor and fine tune the output even further
4) Keep from having dry hits

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I've tried it. Not a fan. I can tell when I'm about to get a dry hit without a computer chip telling me. The only advantage I've found is in fine-tuning a flavor profile. Juices will taste slightly different at different temps, so you can get a different taste out of the same juice by adjusting the temp where the mod throttles back the power. You can do the same thing by building your own coils and adjusting the wattage too. That's the fun part for me. Vaping is a hobby to some of us who enjoy tinkering with things.

 

[wheelie]

TC and Temp Regulation mods serve several functions. They use exotic wires with very low resistance, Nickel Ni200 and Titanium, these wire have a significant shift in resistance as they heat up that can be detected and calculated against to make a calculated guess what temperature they are at. Using that calculation the firmware can a lot of times also detect when you are low on liquid.

Still the main reasons Evolv came out with the DNA40 board was another flare up discussion of diketones (Diacetyl and AP) as well as formaldihydes and acroliene gas being in liquids or the vapor aerosol due to dry hits and such, so thus TC was born. To control toxins like formaldihyde and a lot of times though no diketones are in the flavors put into liquids, once a liquid reaches a certain temperature these flavorings mixing together at said temp could also create D/AP diketones, keep the liquid under this threshold, the diketones do not form unless the diketone is already present from the get go. When it comes to dry coils, here is where formaldihydes and acroliene gasses were being formed from the breakdown or wicking, and/or breakdown of VG and PG at extreme temperatures, thus if you can throttle the temperature at the coil from creating any of these states you could control the what is actually in the vapor aerosol and bad stuff from ever forming.

So...
1) Control diketones and acroliene gas from forming at certain temperature thresholds
2) Control formaldihyde from forming from burning dry wicking
3) Control flavor and fine tune the output even further
4) Keep from having dry hits

Wow! Lots of though went into this post. Very Impressive. CHEERS!

 

[K_Tech]

I'd wait until the reserch catches up with the development.

On a more practical level, unless you get dry hits it's not worth the hassle in my opinion.

I agree. I have two TC mods (with another soon on the way, and another that I will be purchasing some time in the near future) and I wouldn't say it's a "must-have", but a "nice to have".

However, looking at Pbusardo's video for the DNA200, specifically where he compares the output of the DNA40 to that of the DNA200, TC has definitely moved in the right direction. The DNA40 output fluctuates wildly, and the DNA200 is very, very stable, so I think they've fine-tuned the sensing and control of the board.

TC is really nice, when it's working properly. In order to function correctly, it really needs good electrical contact, and that can take a little doing depending on the design of the atomizer. If there's any issues with poor conductivity or fluctuating resistance due to a partially loose screw or wire, it's going to affect the vape, and it can do so dramatically.

 

[edyle]

whats up with temp contro? What's it all about and why? I heard mixed reviews about it. I wanna know what it's all about before I jump on the bandwagon lol. All I want is a lot of flavor and a nice clean hit with no burned taste or spitback and leakage. Dripping sounds great but again I'm not familiar w it nor do I know how to build. So it's not practical for me at this stage.

temp control is about - no burned taste.

 

[Baditude]

Dripping sounds great but again I'm not familiar w it nor do I know how to build. So it's not practical for me at this stage.

510 drip atomizer

You don't have to rebuild to experience "dripping". There are factory-made 510 drip atomizers available inexpensively for $8 - $20.






* IMHO, temp control is still in its infancy phase. I'll wait until its been perfected.

 

[dbrandt01]

Personally, if you're curious about dripping, you can find some cheaper RDAs or clones to learn how to do that with. We all started knowing nothing about it and I can't speak for others, but I can rebuild an RDA in 2-3 minutes.

As far a Temp Control, it's useless to me. I jumped on the bandwagon and it was a good mod, but TC wasn't helpful at all. People focus a lot on no dry hits, well if you pay attention you won't get dry hits anyways. The vape experience was less than desirable to me and when I used flavored e-liquid in it, taste wasn't affected. Do you have vaping friends or a good shop? I know the local shop here, a couple employees let me use one of their own personal mods in the shop to try out. Even with a dual coil ni200 build, it wasn't anything that made me say "wow", it was more of a "ehh, okay".

I would take the time to learn building before jumping into temp control in my opinion. Then again, take this for what it's worth. What you may like, I may not. I don't like temp control, you may love it. Which is why I suggested trying one if possible before buying. That's the beauty with vaping and the wide variety of products to buy.

 

[macis]

i love temp control. i could always take more than 8secs hit every drag without having to worry abt dry hit. i used to vape with my subox mini, but becos of the lacked of TC support n my lacked of wicking experience, i couldn't take long drag. after getting another device with TC mode, i've been doing titanium build on it. n oh.. its awesome! i don even touch my subox mini now.

 

[Clied Died]

i love temp control. i could always take more than 8secs hit every drag without having to worry abt dry hit. i used to vape with my subox mini, but becos of the lacked of TC support n my lacked of wicking experience, i couldn't take long drag. after getting another device with TC mode, i've been doing titanium build on it. n oh.. its awesome! i don even touch my subox mini now.

how many watts were you pushing to be able to take 8 second hits?

 

[macis]

how many watts were you pushing to be able to take 8 second hits?

i'm using an ipv3 li. i vaped ard 45J 500F 0.22ohm with my billow v2. i can do more than 8secs.

 

[Clied Died]

i'm using an ipv3 li. i vaped ard 45J 500F 0.22ohm with my billow v2. i can do more than 8secs.

whoa. okay, that TC is good for something haha. that is impressive.

 

[macis]

how many watts were you pushing to be able to take 8 second hits?

temp control really worked, u should give it a try. i've been using titanium all the while until i decided to try nickel few days ago. i didn't like it. i dunno is it placebo or wat, nickel taste funny.

 

[Clied Died]

temp control really worked, u should give it a try. i've been using titanium all the while until i decided to try nickel few days ago. i didn't like it. i dunno is it placebo or wat, nickel taste funny.

i almost bought the sigelei 150w TC. i'll probably get something around 50w or 75w to try it out considering i'm only pushing 40w on my mech.
i've never tried titanium though, i'll have to check that out. atm i'm using kanthal, but i have some nichrome i haven't got to test out yet. i hear for nickel you gotta get it hot before you puff on it to get it oxidized.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

My Billow V2 is coiled with 28G KA1 and I can get 6 second hits off of it. I stop due to lung capacity, not dry hits though.

Ni200 won't oxidize. That's why you can't build contact coils with it. They short out to themselves.

 

[macis]

i almost bought the sigelei 150w TC. i'll probably get something around 50w or 75w to try it out considering i'm only pushing 40w on my mech.
i've never tried titanium though, i'll have to check that out. atm i'm using kanthal, but i have some nichrome i haven't got to test out yet. i hear for nickel you gotta get it hot before you puff on it to get it oxidized.

i wanted to get the sigelei 150tc too, its such a nice mod. almost everyone who owns it swear by it. although it doesn't support titanium, u can still use it by lowering down the temp.

 

[Clied Died]

i didn't know nickel can't make contact. ya learn something new everyday.

the sigelei 150 w/o TC is more attractive IMO but damn i'm seriously considering getting a TC now haha.