tested e-juice vendors

[Mia11]

Very good points and I really hadn't considered this side of it until I read your post. Light bulb moment. Almost every industry has allowable levels of things we either consider unsafe in large quantities or unsavory (like bug parts) in general that these producer cannot completely keep out of their products. They can still make claims of absence as long as they are within limits. I think it is time for me to get off this soapbox. It is just going around in circles anyway.

No, I think this is an excellent thread. You asked questions and voiced intelligent concerns some of us also have. People are thinking and expressing thoughts and ideas and looking for solutions, and that is not a little thing. If the vendors would only do more of this!
Enough of the "ignore the man behind the curtain" mentality. It just can't be like that anymore. We absolutely need to know what's in our juice and then make an informed decision to vape it or not to vape it. I appreciate everyone who is on the soapbox for vendor transparency.

 

[Jode]

No, I think this is an excellent thread. You asked questions and voiced intelligent concerns some of us also have. People are thinking and expressing thoughts and ideas and looking for solutions, and that is not a little thing. If the vendors would only do more of this!
Enough of the "ignore the man behind the curtain" mentality. It just can't be like that anymore. We absolutely need to know what's in our juice and then make an informed decision to vape it or not to vape it. I appreciate everyone who is on the soapbox for vendor transparency.

I am pleased that I am not alone in wanting to see higher standards in this booming business. I was not trying to imply the thought that the fight for this is not needed, just that I have run out of words. I have said my piece and stand by it firmly. I am quite sure I will climb back up on said soapbox from time to time. I just had hopes for this thread that are not coming to fruition. I did find out a piece of good news for me anyway.
Virgin Vapors has joined AEMSA and I am so glad. This is the type of list I was hoping for. Get the word out on the good do bees and expose only the ones that have proven to be either repeat offenders or tested with dangerously high numbers such as SB. Now if Pip wants to turn this around and be responsible then that would be a wonderful thing. I think most of these vendors really want to do a good thing, but might now be finding themselves in over their head. They do not want to lose their business, but do not have funding to resolve these issues. I was hoping to see more vendor participation. I would rather see a vendors say something like.... I can not say at this point without a doubt that my juice would test in safe zones. We have removed any fuzzy warm statements on our site and are asking for donations to help us get to where we can provide the best possible product for our loyal customers. Or something similar rather then "We blindly stand behind our product and will not change a thing until we are forced to". Not that anybody is using those words but that is what it comes off as if they respond with, we trust our flavor house. That is the basic response I got from Vapor Chef. They also stated that the Chef would be making a public statement regarding this issue and I hope this happens because I really enjoy many of their juices, but I will not reorder until I can have some proof. These are the types of things I was hoping to get out of starting this thread, but so far I am the only one that has actually posted vendor names. That is where my frustration lies, so I am not giving up on this VERY important issue, just standing off for a bit to let more news come out. In the mean time I will only order from companies that are on the AEMSA site.

 

[Tangaroav]

AEMSA membership and proper labeling of known harmful ingredients are a good start towards self regulation.

Check out this thread where Dr. Farsalinos has posted this morning.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...d-suicide-bunny-e-liquid-11.html#post14197970

 

[Nid2510]

In the mean time I will only order from companies that are on the AEMSA site.

This is where I am at the moment.

Most if not all E-juice companies are not ISO 9000 certified. They do not have to tell us what they will do or do what they said they will do. In this case they do not have to tell us what are in their e-juices.

 

[Mazinny]

I am pleased that I am not alone in wanting to see higher standards in this booming business. I was not trying to imply the thought that the fight for this is not needed, just that I have run out of words. I have said my piece and stand by it firmly. I am quite sure I will climb back up on said soapbox from time to time. I just had hopes for this thread that are not coming to fruition. I did find out a piece of good news for me anyway.
Virgin Vapors has joined AEMSA and I am so glad. This is the type of list I was hoping for. Get the word out on the good do bees and expose only the ones that have proven to be either repeat offenders or tested with dangerously high numbers such as SB. Now if Pip wants to turn this around and be responsible then that would be a wonderful thing. I think most of these vendors really want to do a good thing, but might now be finding themselves in over their head. They do not want to lose their business, but do not have funding to resolve these issues. I was hoping to see more vendor participation. I would rather see a vendors say something like.... I can not say at this point without a doubt that my juice would test in safe zones. We have removed any fuzzy warm statements on our site and are asking for donations to help us get to where we can provide the best possible product for our loyal customers. Or something similar rather then "We blindly stand behind our product and will not change a thing until we are forced to". Not that anybody is using those words but that is what it comes off as if they respond with, we trust our flavor house. That is the basic response I got from Vapor Chef. They also stated that the Chef would be making a public statement regarding this issue and I hope this happens because I really enjoy many of their juices, but I will not reorder until I can have some proof. These are the types of things I was hoping to get out of starting this thread, but so far I am the only one that has actually posted vendor names. That is where my frustration lies, so I am not giving up on this VERY important issue, just standing off for a bit to let more news come out. In the mean time I will only order from companies that are on the AEMSA site.

I have also written to a few of the vendors, i have ordered from in the past ( the others have either specifically stated that they have tested their juice at an independent lab with negative results, or explicitly alluded to the presence of a p in their product, on their site ). Haven't received a response from any of them yet,

 

[Jode]

I have also written to a few of the vendors, i have ordered from in the past ( the others have either specifically stated that they have tested their juice at an independent lab with negative results, or explicitly alluded to the presence of a p in their product, on their site ). Haven't received a response from any of them yet,

Thank you and all that are taking an active stance. Almost anything that is worth fighting for never comes easy. There are many that say that emailing is not going to do any good because we will just continue to get empty promises or non committal comfy blanket safety statements with no proof. I hear that and understand that standing up for what we believe will seem to go nowhere until it does. Just recently my home town area was involved in a local super market battle of sorts. Many of you have heard of it I am sure. Bring Arthur T Demoulas back on board with Market Basket. It seemed like a futile or silly cause to many but to those that have shopped this market all their lives it was very important. Workers, customers and vendors stood strong. There were many days that it seemed like nothing good was going to happen, but then it did. I guess it could have gone the other way easily but we had faith that what we were doing was right and stood strong no matter what the outcome. We won after what seemed an eternity, but that was not clear until the very last minute. It was truly a hold your breath weekend. I am going to stand behind my convictions with this as well. It may take a while to see results and it may seem silly to some but it is important to me.The more pressure that is put on the offenders (the ones testing above safety limits) the quicker the response. Thanks again

 

[Tangaroav]

I am surprised that this discussion and others like it, concerning the safety and labeling of e-liquids is not of much interest here on ecf.

I would have thought that Dr. Farsalinos last study would have caused much more reactions and demands for standards of e-liquids vendors.

It is sad but it looks like only regulations will bring about changes...

 

[Alto101]

I am surprised that this discussion and others like it, concerning the safety and labeling of e-liquids is not of much interest here on ecf.

I would have thought that Dr. Farsalinos last study would have caused much more reactions and demands for standards of e-liquids vendors.

It is sad but it looks like only regulations will bring about changes...

I highly doubt that any regulations imposed by the FDA will improve the current situation. They will likely cause additional problems, increase price and not solve any of the current issues. I hope to be proven wrong though.

I do see a movement towards testing of juices taking place. Maybe it isn't as strong of a reaction as you would like; however it is happening.

 

[Tangaroav]

I highly doubt that any regulations imposed by the FDA will improve the current situation. They will likely cause additional problems, increase price and not solve any of the current issues. I hope to be proven wrong though.

I do see a movement towards testing of juices taking place. Maybe it isn't as strong of a reaction as you would like; however it is happening.

I hope you're right

 

[MadMeathead]

In Canada I try to stick to e-juice from manufacturers or vendors with the ECTA (Electronic Cigarette Trade Association). They have set testing standards for their members. It probably isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. I've got a couple of sample packs coming in from one of those manufacturers to see if I can find something I like.

That said, I don't ALWAYS buy from ECTA stamped manufacturers and vendors; it would be nice if there were more folks on that list.

Regards,

 

[Mazinny]

In Canada I try to stick to e-juice from manufacturers or vendors with the ECTA (Electronic Cigarette Trade Association). They have set testing standards for their members. It probably isn't perfect but it's better than nothing. I've got a couple of sample packs coming in from one of those manufacturers to see if I can find something I like.

That said, I don't ALWAYS buy from ECTA stamped manufacturers and vendors; it would be nice if there were more folks on that list.

Regards,

I do recall Dr. Gilman from Enthalpy Labs stating in the Click Bang broadcast that ECTA vendors as a block, are one of their largest clients, so some anecdotal evidence at least, that they do test their juice !

 

[Tangaroav]

Great, their list of members will become a useful reference.

 

[Burner52]

I'm a fairly new vaper and have heard about these chemicals. May I ask, Is this something that is a byproduct of making e juice, or is it an actual ingredient added to it? Also Is it limited mainly to "food" and "desert" type flavors as opposed to tobacco and menthol juices? Going in, I suspected that blindly trusting juice makers (who lets face it can put just about anything they want in their juice) to be automatically safer than real cigs is a bit naive. We want to believe that ecigs are so much safer, but when something is raised about them having an even higher level of a toxin than a real cig, it might be time to take notice. There does need to be more research and safe guards. At the end of the day ecigs will probably be certified as safer than regular cigs- but maybe not by as much as some of us may think. That is only going by how I feel and any physical changes I've noticed since I started vaping and terminated smoking- which is that overall my lungs feel better. The rest of my body, particularly my GI tract and sometimes my head actually feel worse sometimes. My own theory is that vaping tricks your body into digestion mode whether there is food there or not. Also of concern- does PG kill the "good bacteria" in your body? This could seriously compromise your immune system. Does VG raise your glycemic index (A high glycemc index causes inflammation of your body, includng your brain, and also raises risk for diabeties). I cant rule out certain findings as they appear and figure they are just an attack on vaping or some sort of "scare" tactic. As much as I want to, I'm not going to assume its such a way safer thing than real smoking- as it seems to be marketed as- I think it will carry its own set of risks that will be different from those of regular smoking (ie it might significantly reduce risk of lung cancer but raise risk for diabeties and other diseases). Long term effects of vaping are unknown. In addition to toxin levels in ejuice and respitory effects, I'd like to see research focused on 100% VG juice and or food flavored juices and glycemic index, GI tract effects, and changes in "good bacteria" levels (for juices that contain PG).

 

[Tangaroav]

The Vapor Bar | E-Liquid, E-Cigarettes Dallas, E-Juice, E-Cig Houston

Check this e-liquid vendor, ( hardware too). THEY are serious and have taken the bull by the horns and are providing test results of ALL their juices. They have amongst others the FIRST LAB TESTED DIACETYL AND ACETYL PROPIONYL FREE CUSTARD LINE! ( their words).

Here is a small video from the owner about their position concerning diacetyl and acetyl propionyl. She really is clear and took action to make sure her customers are well informed.

http://www.thevaporbarstore.com/blog/video-explaining-our-diacetylacetyl-propionyl-approach-/

I will buy from them to show support. I think that we all should all make efforts and show support for responsible vendors.

This will send a strong message to the profit-only-vendors who lie and cheat and mislead their customers.

 

[MadMeathead]

@ Mazinny - Yup. They also post their results.

 

[Mazinny]

The Vapor Bar | E-Liquid, E-Cigarettes Dallas, E-Juice, E-Cig Houston

Check this e-liquid vendor, ( hardware too). THEY are serious and have taken the bull by the horns and are providing test results of ALL their juices. They have amongst others the FIRST LAB TESTED DIACETYL AND ACETYL PROPIONYL FREE CUSTARD LINE! ( their words).

Here is a small video from the owner about their position concerning diacetyl and acetyl propionyl. She really is clear and took action to make sure her customers are well informed.

Video Explaining Our Diacetyl/Acetyl Propionyl Approach.

I will buy from them to show support. I think that we all should all make efforts and show support for responsible vendors.

This will send a strong message to the profit-only-vendors who lie and cheat and mislead their customers.

I really wish the people who are defending Suicide Bunny would watch this video and Pip's video back to back.

Very impressed by their transparency, and the amount of effort they are putting into removing diketones from their product line.

 

[MadMeathead]

After reading the entire 30 page SB thread I'm going to amend my earlier statement. I'm only buying my Canadian liquids from ECTA members.


.... and it looks like I'll just skip custards all together.

Regards,