TFA cotton candy

[ChelsB]

This is the 4th cotton candy I'll try in my quest to find the perfect CC. I couldn't find the recommended usage on the other site. I'm wondering if you've used this and at what percentage? Also, did you like it? Thanks for any info you can provide!


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[Wheelin247]

Here is a site I use whenever I'm wanting to find a starting percentage for TFA flavors. Here is the link.

http://forum...................../t/tpa-tfa-signature-starting-percentages/21185

Here is another. On this page I will scroll down to where you see it says notes. On this page, people that has used the flavor put down their opinions so people like yourself could read and see what most people wrote and make your decision on where to start.

http://..................../flavor/2233

Hope this helps! Good luck on finding that sweet spot your looking for.


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[bwh79]

Note: TFA's "Cotton Candy" and their Ethyl Maltol (or anyone's, really, if they use the same fairly common EM formulation) are exactly the same product -- 10% EM solution in 90% PG base.

I've never used it as a standalone flavor, but I do use it in very small amounts as a sweetener. I see conflicting reports, on this one...the manufacturer's description says "it's not a very strong flavor, since ethyl maltol won't dissolve in PG at higher concentrations." But on the other hand, I generally see it used at very low percentages, somewhere on the order of 1-2% so, for being "not very strong," it sure isn't used in very high concentrations either.

From the Site that Shall Not be Named:
Average percentage in recipes: 1.7% (Median 1%)
Average percentage as a standalone flavor: 5.1% (Median 2.1%)

...might be a good starting point, at least.

 

[ChelsB]

Note: TFA's "Cotton Candy" and their Ethyl Maltol (or anyone's, really, if they use the same fairly common EM formulation) are exactly the same product -- 10% EM solution in 90% PG base.

I've never used it as a standalone flavor, but I do use it in very small amounts as a sweetener. I see conflicting reports, on this one...the manufacturer's description says "it's not a very strong flavor, since ethyl maltol won't dissolve in PG at higher concentrations." But on the other hand, I generally see it used at very low percentages, somewhere on the order of 1-2% so, for being "not very strong," it sure isn't used in very high concentrations either.

From the Site that Shall Not be Named:
Average percentage in recipes: 1.7% (Median 1%)
Average percentage as a standalone flavor: 5.1% (Median 2.1%)

...might be a good starting point, at least.

Thanks! Do you know if cotton candy is typically known as one that needs steeping? I'm getting a little frustrated that I can't seem to get this down. Seems like it should be simple


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[bwh79]

Thanks! Do you know if cotton candy is typically known as one that needs steeping?

Minimal. I find most recipes benefit if they're left to sit for a brief aging/blending period of a few days to a week or so, but this doesn't need a really long "steep" time like some of the more "creamy" or "custardy" flavors do.

 

[JohnLee]

Minimal. I find most recipes benefit if they're left to sit for a brief aging/blending period of a few days to a week or so, but this doesn't need a really long "steep" time like some of the more "creamy" or "custardy" flavors do.

You can also check other methods of steeping like heating (using a coffee a warmer with a temp of 40°C - 50°C) or by using ultrasonic bath, this will speed up the steeping process. You can check other forums. Hoping you could share your success soon! Cheers!

 

[zoiDman]

This is the 4th cotton candy I'll try in my quest to find the perfect CC. I couldn't find the recommended usage on the other site. I'm wondering if you've used this and at what percentage? Also, did you like it? Thanks for any info you can provide!


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If you are trying to make a Stand Alone CC, I'm not sure you can get there by just using TFA CC?

Because to make a really Sweet CC, you would need to use a Lot of TFA CC. And TFA CC doesn't keep getting Sweeter (to me) by adding More and More.

It gets Kinda Sweet. And then it just starts to taste (to me) like a Chemical Meh Taste.

To make a Stand Alone CC, I think you would need to Also and Sucralose. Like TFA Sweetener. And some Tad of Water.

 

[ChelsB]

If you are trying to make a Stand Alone CC, I'm not sure you can get there by just using TFA CC?

Because to make a really Sweet CC, you would need to use a Lot of TFA CC. And TFA CC doesn't keep getting Sweeter (to me) by adding More and More.

It gets Kinda Sweet. And then it just starts to taste (to me) like a Chemical Meh Taste.

To make a Stand Alone CC, I think you would need to Also and Sucralose. Like TFA Sweetener. And some Tad of Water.

I have lots of TFA Sweetener. What percentage do you think I should use?


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[zoiDman]

I have lots of TFA Sweetener. What percentage do you think I should use?


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I dunno? I've Never made a Stand Alone CC.

Maybe go with a 6% TFA CC and a 1/2 Eye Dropper of Water. Let it Steep for a Couple of Days. And then just add Drops of TFA Sweeter until it is Sweet enough.

A Huge PLUS of using TFA Sweetener is there is No Steeping Needed. Just Add, Shake n' vape.

BTW - Blue Cotton Candy is probably easier to make as a Stand Alone. Regular CC doesn't have all that much Flavor.

 

[ChelsB]

I dunno? I've Never made a Stand Alone CC.

Maybe go with a 6% TFA CC and a 1/2 Eye Dropper of Water. Let it Steep for a Couple of Days. And then just add Drops of TFA Sweeter until it is Sweet enough.

A Huge PLUS of using TFA Sweetener is there is No Steeping Needed. Just Add, Shake n' vape.

BTW - Blue Cotton Candy is probably easier to make as a Stand Alone. Regular CC doesn't have all that much Flavor.

So far I've used the cc at 5.1% and added 15 drops of Sweetener (30 ml batch, as I knew if I didn't work out I'd add VBIC to make one of my favorite vapes) it's definitely getting close! Now, the hard part is figuring out if it's more cc or more sweetener that I need. I think it's the cc


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[zoiDman]

So far I've used the cc at 5.1% and added 15 drops of Sweetener (30 ml batch, as I knew if I didn't work out I'd add VBIC to make one of my favorite vapes) it's definitely getting close! Now, the hard part is figuring out if it's more cc or more sweetener that I need. I think it's the cc


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If you are at 5.1% CC, the sign post Up Ahead probably says... "Now Entering Chemicaltastevile."

Proceed Slowly.

LOL

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I dunno? I've Never made a Stand Alone CC.

Maybe go with a 6% TFA CC and a 1/2 Eye Dropper of Water. Let it Steep for a Couple of Days. And then just add Drops of TFA Sweeter until it is Sweet enough.

A Huge PLUS of using TFA Sweetener is there is No Steeping Needed. Just Add, Shake n' vape.

BTW - Blue Cotton Candy is probably easier to make as a Stand Alone. Regular CC doesn't have all that much Flavor.

Totally agree. All flavor makers seem to use the same ingredient(ethyl maltol) and called it cotton candy flavor. If we look up the definition and its chemical compound it is mostly used to add a sweet
fragrance to bakery items. It does have a mildly sweet taste.

I think that is why TFA and CAP are coming out with variation of that like zoid says with the blue cotton candy. I am not sure why the flavor companies try to make this a 'flavor' other than most of them -like TFA- started (and still are) a fragrance company. And I guess it can help with mouth feel of a juice when used as a helper flavor.

 

[man00ver]

@VapeLuvr - You probably know by now that I like my flavors in the low range, but I'm going to go against my usual advice here and say I wouldn't be afraid to take this one higher. IF I was interested in a Cotton Candy vape. Which honestly I'm not.

However...I do see 3 stand-alone TFA Cotton Candy mixes on ELR that have at least one 5-star review each, and the percentages are 8%, 10%, and 12%. My feeling is that, as primary flavorings go, this TFA Cotton Candy is not a strong one, so those percentages don't seem terribly out of line to me. I have no idea what kind of coil-killer might result from this. I surely wouldn't recommend that level of sucralose-based sweetener, but this is not that.

Recently, there's been this thread about cloning the discontinued Malty Toffee e-liquid from now-closed Backwoods Brews. The leading recipe, done with a lot of community input, called for THIRTY PERCENT TFA Cotton Candy. So, yeah, it's been done very high. Wow, huh?

So maybe try a 10mL bottle with 10%. Why not?

 

[ChelsB]

@VapeLuvr - You probably know by now that I like my flavors in the low range, but I'm going to go against my usual advice here and say I wouldn't be afraid to take this one higher. IF I was interested in a Cotton Candy vape. Which honestly I'm not.

However...I do see 3 stand-alone TFA Cotton Candy mixes on ELR that have at least one 5-star review each, and the percentages are 8%, 10%, and 12%. My feeling is that, as primary flavorings go, this TFA Cotton Candy is not a strong one, so those percentages don't seem terribly out of line to me. I have no idea what kind of coil-killer might result from this. I surely wouldn't recommend that level of sucralose-based sweetener, but this is not that.

Recently, there's been this thread about cloning the discontinued Malty Toffee e-liquid from now-closed Backwoods Brews. The leading recipe, done with a lot of community input, called for THIRTY PERCENT TFA Cotton Candy. So, yeah, it's been done very high. Wow, huh?

So maybe try a 10mL bottle with 10%. Why not?

I added 30 drops to bring it up to 6%, but it's still not there yet. I'll bump it up! After all , one of my all day vapes is 10%cc to 5% vbic, so it can't hurt. Thanks for chiming in!
And yeah, 30% is crazy!

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[zoiDman]

Taste is Extremely Subjective. And there is No Standard as the Watts, Wicking, Airflow, etc. that we use that Effects Taste.

But if someone told me to put 30% TFA CC in a Mix, my 1st thought would be...

Not familiar with BWB, but I can tell you 30% of EM is way too much.

LOL

 

[man00ver]

Taste is Extremely Subjective. And there is No Standard as the Watts, Wicking, Airflow, etc. that we use that Effects Taste.

But if someone told me to put 30% TFA CC in a Mix, my 1st thought would be...

LOL

Aw, c'mon...do it for science. You're curious now, aren'tcha?

 

[zoiDman]

Aw, c'mon...do it for science. You're curious now, aren'tcha?

I know what happens when I used Ethyl Maltol in percentages about 7%. It's Downtown Chemicalhitsvile. Population me.

You can take this Recipe...

8% Toffee VG (DIYFS)
2.5% English Toffee PG (DIYFS) or (LA)
2.5 French Vanilla (DIYFS)
1% Holy Vanilla (DIYFS)
1% Butter Cream (DIYFS)
30% EM 10% (TPA) or (supersaturated EM solution)

... and remove the 30% EM and replace it with 10 Drops of Sucralose and it would be Tasty Mix. Similar to my ADV TastyFinger Clone.

30% EM has got 250mg Excedrin Extra Strength written All Over It.

 

[man00ver]

I know what happens when I used Ethyl Maltol in percentages about 7%. It's Downtown Chemicalhitsvile. Population me.

I don't blame you. I couldn't imagine using EM anywhere near even 7%, until I came across that thread. Now, I may try it someday around 9%, in a little Malty Toffee "clone" I posted on that thread, but it's not high on the priorities list. I've not used any toffee flavor before, and my first (Hangsen) is steeping now for a standalone test.

 

[ChelsB]

I'm pleasantly surprised I'm still vaping what's left in my tank of the 6%! I think maybe just 1% more. This is exciting, I've been searching for good cc for a while


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[zoiDman]

I don't blame you. I couldn't imagine using EM anywhere near even 7%, until I came across that thread. Now, I may try it someday around 9%, in a little Malty Toffee "clone" I posted on that thread, but it's not high on the priorities list. I've not used any toffee flavor before, and my first (Hangsen) is steeping now for a standalone test.

EM (to me) just starts to take on a Weird Chemical Taste when it would get around 6 ~ 7%.

I'm a CCFC. And Like Sweet Flavors. I gave away all my EM after my 1st Bottle of TFA Sweetener arrived.

BTW - I Wouldn't be surprised if someone Fat Fingered that recipe when they Typed it. And the EM was supposed to be 3% and Not 30%