So many of you have helped me! I was on the verge of giving up diy because all my juices were terrible!! With all of your help you set me on the right track, thanks to wingsfan who was quick to always reply. I hated 555 in the beginning, let it steep for 3 weeks and it's awesome. All the tips are much appreciated for us noobs. Any noob diyers out there that feel like giving up, just keep researching the ecf, don't give up!! You can make great juices! Use these guys, pull from their knowledge. So many tips I've used to finally be able to have great juices thanks to you fine ecf people. Again thanks so much your help is much appreciated