Hi all just wanted to say that if anyone is looking for a VG then you need to try these at Goodprophets as the ry4 is great so much so I boiled my full cartos out(smoketip reg.) just so I could put the ry4 back in. I'm new at this but these actually got me to put the analogs down for good on xmas day after 30 years......Thank You Rob. If you want PG I highly recommend the 555 s.e.