I"m extremely confused now............... I recently read in Revelation that those who kept His commandments were saved. Aren't the 10 commandments His commandments???????
The 10 Commandments
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I"m extremely confused now............... I recently read in Revelation that those who kept His commandments were saved. Aren't the 10 commandments His commandments???????
Hey, you changed your avatar! Now, I cant help but wonder.....are you male or female? Makes no difference to me, I just assumed that you were a woman from your old avatar.
I know, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer sometimes............
Hey, you changed your avatar! Now, I cant help but wonder.....are you male or female? Makes no difference to me, I just assumed that you were a woman from your old avatar.
I know, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer sometimes............
I am female - I just like that picture of one of my favorite singers. No reflection on sharpness - it's difficult to know if someone is male or female from a forum handle or picture. lol
We do follow them.. but we are no longer 'bound' to them... after 'salvation' that is. Once we are 'born again' we are now under God's 'new covenant' of 'grace'... we are no longer in bondage to laws & legalism ... As long as Christ abides in us and we abide in Him we are 'covered' by Christ's atoning blood. To say once we're saved we'll sin no more is impossible... because even after salvation we fall into Sin.. the ten commandments were created by God to 'show' Man his sins.. but without Christ there was no sacrifice for Sin because the 'laws' can not save us... and without Christ we can't 'keep' them.
I'll let scripture clarify things for everyone...( nothing I ever think feel or say is from 'me' because what I think feel or say is of no importance.. it's what God says that matters.. Everything should always be taken from God's Word and be scripturally sound... if I can't 'test' it scripturally then for me it is not of God)
(Romans 6-7)
Death in Adam, Life in Christ
12 Therefore, just as sthrough one man sin entered the world, and tdeath through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but usin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, vwho is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the 5offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded wto many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many 6offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s 7offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore, as through 8one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through xone 9Man’s righteous act the free gift came yto all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by zone Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover athe law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace babounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
6 What shall we say then? aShall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who bdied to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that cas many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus dwere baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were eburied with Him through baptism into death, that fjust as Christ was raised from the dead by gthe glory of the Father, heven so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 iFor if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that jour old man was crucified with Him, that kthe body of sin might be 1done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For lhe who has died has been 2freed from sin. 8 Now mif we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that nChrist, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, oHe died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, pHe lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, 3reckon yourselves to be qdead indeed to sin, but ralive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 sTherefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your tmembers as 4instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but upresent yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as 4instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin wbecause we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were 5delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness 6for holiness.
20 For when you were aslaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit 7to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. 23 For ethe wages of sin is death, but fthe 8gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Freed from the Law Pay close attention here...
7 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law 1has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then bif, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become cdead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should dbear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law ewere at work in our members fto bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve gin the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Here's the link to the rest of this here:
Romans 5:12 (NKJV) - "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death..."
Those who are ALIVE in Christ are DEAD to sin and the LAW... being made NEW by the righteousness of Christ... Christ is our NEW HUSBAND... we are no longer married to the LAW... and in CHRIST we are able to fulfill ALL of the TEN commandments by observing just TWO... Loving God FIRST and Loving others as ourselves.. (whew! Praise GOD for His Holy Word!)
However! To those OUTSIDE of Christ's redemptive plan... the TEN commandments are what we must use to illuminate and show SIN... the LAWS were given for that very purpose. There's more scripture on that if you'd like me to share it?
All of this is spiritually discerned and the holy Ghost is the grand interpreter...
Christ accomplished everything on the Cross... we as believers just have to learn to receive it by Faith and walk in it... then do what we're commissioned to do to win souls for the Kingdom!.. Amen?!
I'm tired Kids! Gotta get to bed! Christ's love & blessings to all!
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I'm sorry... double posted here... I'm such a DUH when I'm exhausted... 
Well, I'm a DUH the rest of the time too.. but even moreso when I'm exhausted...
Well, I'm a DUH the rest of the time too.. but even moreso when I'm exhausted...
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Yes Love... those of us who 'abide in Christ' will keep His commandments.. which are no longer written in stone but in our NEW Hearts of flesh. Christ keeps us faithful... Christ keeps us saved... Christ keeps us in check... Christ keeps us holy and equips us.
All of those scriptures show us that we are not bound by The Law anymore, which I agree 100%. But, the 10 commandments and The Law are 2 different things. And in Genesis, God blessed the 7th day and made it holy. This also has nothing to do with the law or even the 10 commandments.
Genesis 2:1-3: "The heavens and the earth were completed with everything that was in them. By the seventh day God finished the work that he had been doing, and he ceased on the seventh day all the work that he had been doing. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he ceased all the work that he had been doing in creation."
Now I understand that as believers in Jesus, we are not bound to the law, and our sins are covered under the blood of jesus. But does that mean that we can actively choose to ignore His holy day and that's ok? I dont know. We break that commandment every week. If it's ok to break that commandment every week, then by that logic, it's also ok to break some of the other commandments every week too, like coveting your neighbor's house? Where is the difference?
I guess it boils down to this: Why do christians believe that they are totally exempt from that one commandment, but they strive to keep the others because the others are considered sins, but that one is not?
Genesis 2:1-3: "The heavens and the earth were completed with everything that was in them. By the seventh day God finished the work that he had been doing, and he ceased on the seventh day all the work that he had been doing. God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he ceased all the work that he had been doing in creation."
Now I understand that as believers in Jesus, we are not bound to the law, and our sins are covered under the blood of jesus. But does that mean that we can actively choose to ignore His holy day and that's ok? I dont know. We break that commandment every week. If it's ok to break that commandment every week, then by that logic, it's also ok to break some of the other commandments every week too, like coveting your neighbor's house? Where is the difference?
I guess it boils down to this: Why do christians believe that they are totally exempt from that one commandment, but they strive to keep the others because the others are considered sins, but that one is not?
I agree Lisa - about the laws vs the commandments. From my understanding and readings, although one may be "saved," as long as one is still in flesh, the commandments are in effect. Here are a few things I found that I interpret to mean this:
We Are Not Under Law But Under Grace
Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” John 14:21
We Are Not Under Law But Under Grace
Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” John 14:21
Yea, I agree 100%! I know this is not a popular view among most christians, but I'm obligated to God and not man.
The commandments are the Laws gals (God gave us TEN to begin with and the Jews added over 600) the words Commandments/Laws are used interchangeably (which is what makes it confusing). I don't know what else to say... we all break God's laws and/or some of the commandments every day... if we don't honor the true sabbath(Which many believe to be Saturday... but Saturday in ISRAEL is technically Friday here in the United States)... if most Christians aren't violating the true Sabbath law then most are busy violating or doing something else... such as not helping everyone in need (as Jesus did).. for instance; do you shop where they sell pornography or even R rated videos?... (such as Walmart or 7/11?).. well that's similar to eating unclean food or food that's been sacrificed to idols.. we wouldn't knowingly do that would we? .... we violate many of the commandments/laws daily.. we can't avoid it... every time we watch TV... every time we think an impure thought... unless we live like Monks we can't avoid the sin around us and within us.. and even the Monks sin because no one in the flesh is without sin (as Christ was)... we're imperfect people (sinners) who are in constant need of Christ. We can never do enough good to deserve Heaven. Without Grace... we're doomed.. without the ten commandments we have no idea of what is right or wrong... to me they're inseparable... I agree.. but to live in constant fear that your salvation is entirely based on adherence to law isn't possible. Perfected Love casts out fear. God loves us.. He sent Christ to die on the cross to redeem us from Sin... through Him we're saved... once saved we abide in Him and His promise is 'no man will snatch us out of His hand'... we have to walk in that and have faith. God is not the author of confusion or fear (You know the name of the one who does that!.. lol).. we must receive God's gifts and His promises by Faith. Without faith it's impossible to please Him. Everyone 'should' observe the true Saturday sabbath.. not celebrate pagan holidays.. engage in watching secular TV or PG-13 movies even.. or shop where they sell pornography.. but can ANY of us state that outside of Christ we're anything but Sinners saved by grace? In order to enter Heaven we must become 'new creatures in Christ... be transformed by the renewing of our minds'... for many this is not an overnight process.. God works that way also..for some people it's INSTANT deliverance.. for others it's a gradual process of moving from 'glory' to 'glory' as the WORD is revealed and the Holy Spirit strengthens and develops them.
This is just my 'take' on it.... I know nothing saves me except the blood of Jesus... I can only plead the blood..
This is just my 'take' on it.... I know nothing saves me except the blood of Jesus... I can only plead the blood..
I had a dear friend who had been a 7th Day Adventist, but had moved to a full Gospel church, then this, then that, etc., and we went round and round and there is no evidence in Scripture that I could show her that the Sabbath (Shabbat) was moved from Saturday to Sunday, except calling Sunday 'The Lord's Day.' So, being exhausted over the situation, this had been going on for years, I finally said, "If God is putting this on your heart, then do both.....keep the Sabbath holy and go to church on Sunday....OR, just keep the Sabbath." The point I was trying to make is that since God (or it could have been her earthly father) was putting this on her heart, DO IT! Don't delay. Test the spirits and obey the Lord....period.....end of story. Then she wanted to know why I didn't do it. Circles! I feel in my heart that if the Lord is putting this on your heart, Lisa, then do it. Keep both. But remember, the Jews are Sabbath people, and where do they stand concerning Jesus.
I'm just glad we don't have to live under the law. When a younger woman would get her cycle (and I'm not talking about a Honda) they were considered unclean and when her cycle was over, they'd have to go out to the outer parts of town and sacrifice a dove. I can't sacrifice an animal. God knew I was an "Under Grace" person before I was born! I love how He takes care of all details. Man I love my God! Isn't He wonderful?
I'm just glad we don't have to live under the law. When a younger woman would get her cycle (and I'm not talking about a Honda) they were considered unclean and when her cycle was over, they'd have to go out to the outer parts of town and sacrifice a dove. I can't sacrifice an animal. God knew I was an "Under Grace" person before I was born! I love how He takes care of all details. Man I love my God! Isn't He wonderful?
Well actually, for any of us (here in the US) to observe the TRUE Sabbath we'd have to synchronize our clocks and calenders to those of ISRAEL because only the Jewish Nation observes the TRUE Sabbath as given by Moses. Their sabbath begins at about 5 pm on our Fridays and ends at about 5 on our Saturday. I'm with L.. to cover all the bases begin the Sabbath Friday and observe til Monday...
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No Cuz, you are priceless! I love you dearly.
... oh and you know I you dearly in return Sister/Cuz .... 
Yea, I know what you guys are saying.........and you might be right........you might be wrong.....who really knows anyway. But for me, I'm going to keep saturday as a special day of rest.
Good thing too cause I was in bed all day long on the heating pad, my back is out. UGH!!!!!!!
Good thing too cause I was in bed all day long on the heating pad, my back is out. UGH!!!!!!!
I came across this in my bible reading today.
Romans 14:5-9 "One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living."
So, when he says that one man thinks one day is more sacred then another, do you think he is referring to the sabbath or something else? If he is referring to the sabbath, then this is very clear. But if not, then what is he talking about?
I would really like to put this issue to rest one way or another in my own mind cause it's bothering me.
Romans 14:5-9 "One person regards one day holier than other days, and another regards them all alike. Each must be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day does it for the Lord. The one who eats, eats for the Lord because he gives thanks to God, and the one who abstains from eating abstains for the Lord, and he gives thanks to God. For none of us lives for himself and none dies for himself. If we live, we live for the Lord; if we die, we die for the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that he may be the Lord of both the dead and the living."
So, when he says that one man thinks one day is more sacred then another, do you think he is referring to the sabbath or something else? If he is referring to the sabbath, then this is very clear. But if not, then what is he talking about?
I would really like to put this issue to rest one way or another in my own mind cause it's bothering me.
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