The Anti in you? or: How I stopped being worried by the American Mom

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Leroy

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Most of the time I am shockingly surprised when I work up the courage to bring out my PV in public. People mostly don't seem to care as long as it doesn't bother them. 99% of the people I know really seem to be receptive, interested, or downright delighted.

It is, of course, unfortunate when your wife is the 1% who seems bound and determined to hate it. We were both once smokers and it took her a pregnancy and me vaping to quit. I've discovered a few things about the Antis, I live with one, that simply astounded me. She doesn't think it's unhealthy, she doesn't think it's comparatively expensive. She simply thinks that it's a "cop out" that I should have had the will power to just "quit". She points out that I'm "addicted" as if all dependence on a substances is to be deplored. She is concerned about what it means about the quality of who I am, what it means in my head, she's not OK that I'm OK with it. I’ve seen in her that the Antis have somehow translated , in some part, a concern for health into an outrage or hate for the concept of vaping and are no longer willing to have a rational discussion. The force of it is so strong that she has found every juice that I’ve ever used to “smell bad”. I have never had any sort of complaint of smell from even the most frank people I know.

There is an upside. vaping is so innocuous that she has to make a concerted effort just to notice it. I've won the war because she's gotten used to it, and there isn’t any ashtray, or smell to remind her of it. The problem seems to have solved its self. Perhaps even most of the antis will have to cool down one day. There just isn’t much to complain about.

Note: My wife’s problem with vaping was a relative surprise. I'm contractually obligated to say that she is both a loving and caring person. She is skeptical about deciding without the facts and is willing to change her mind when presented with better evidence. She never really acts this way about anything else. Perhaps it just goes to show that no mater how intelligent and reasonable we might be, we all have the ability to develop prejudice.
 

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Most of the time I am shockingly surprised when I work up the courage to bring out my PV in public. People mostly don't seem to care as long as it doesn't bother them. 99% of the people I know really seem to be receptive, interested, or downright delighted.

It is, of course, unfortunate when your wife is the 1% who seems bound and determined to hate it. We were both once smokers and it took her a pregnancy and me vaping to quit. I've discovered a few things about the Antis, I live with one, that simply astounded me. She doesn't think it's unhealthy, she doesn't think it's comparatively expensive. She simply thinks that it's a "cop out" that I should have had the will power to just "quit". She points out that I'm "addicted" as if all dependence on a substances is to be deplored. She is concerned about what it means about the quality of who I am, what it means in my head, she's not OK that I'm OK with it. I’ve seen in her that the Antis have somehow translated , in some part, a concern for health into an outrage or hate for the concept of vaping and are no longer willing to have a rational discussion. The force of it is so strong that she has found every juice that I’ve ever used to “smell bad”. I have never had any sort of complaint of smell from even the most frank people I know.

There is an upside. Vaping is so innocuous that she has to make a concerted effort just to notice it. I've won the war because she's gotten used to it, and there isn’t any ashtray, or smell to remind her of it. The problem seems to have solved its self. Perhaps even most of the antis will have to cool down one day. There just isn’t much to complain about.

Note: My wife’s problem with vaping was a relative surprise. I'm contractually obligated to say that she is both a loving and caring person. She is skeptical about deciding without the facts and is willing to change her mind when presented with better evidence. She never really acts this way about anything else. Perhaps it just goes to show that no mater how intelligent and reasonable we might be, we all have the ability to develop prejudice.

Welcome to ecf.

I am a woman and the only thing I can think of is that she probably went thru hell to give up smoking. but she had a more focused determination to quit...to give birth to a baby. She probably wonders why you aren't as 'strong' as she is. And you can't be. you've never be pg.
Nic by itself is no more addicting than caffeine. We also find nic in food such as tomatoes. What smokers are addicted to is the other 4000+ chemicals that big tobacco is allowed to put in them. Plus addiction to the social aspect, ritual, emotional. Nothing else on the market even compares to what ecigs have done for the smokers. Many members here have been able to lower their nic input some to even Zero nic, but still use the ecig because of all the other aspects of the 'addiction'. Glad to hear she has lightened up.
Happy vaping
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Man, that is tough. It seems that every time an ex-smoker gets on someone's case about vaping, I get this vague impression that there's some resentment and anger behind it - as if: how come I had to stop something I liked and you keep doing it? I think it's hard for people to break the addiction/ritual component of smoking to remember that the ritual itself is harmless. No one ever objects to the "ritual" around coffee or tea (for the caffeine fix), but they seem to object to the hand-mouth ritual of, well, nearly everything else.

Sometime I just wish I could hug those angry anti- and ex-smokers, hand them a nicely flavored zero nic PV and tell them to just let go of their anger and enjoy it.
 

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Most of the time I am shockingly surprised when I work up the courage to bring out my PV in public. People mostly don't seem to care as long as it doesn't bother them. 99% of the people I know really seem to be receptive, interested, or downright delighted.

It is, of course, unfortunate when your wife is the 1% who seems bound and determined to hate it. . .

Seems you have all the motivation you need to work your way out of the nicotine as rapidly as possible. Good Luck w/your quit. JMHO

Cheers,
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..... She simply thinks that it's a "cop out" that I should have had the will power to just "quit". She points out that I'm "addicted" as if all dependence on a substances is to be deplored. She is concerned about what it means about the quality of who I am, what it means in my head, she's not OK that I'm OK with it. I’ve seen in her that the Antis have somehow translated , in some part, a concern for health into an outrage or hate for the concept of vaping and are no longer willing to have a rational discussion. The force of it is so strong that she has found every juice that I’ve ever used to “smell bad”. I have never had any sort of complaint of smell from even the most frank people I know.
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That part is most disturbing and, if true, does not bode well. What other relatively trivial criteria will she use to judge your "quality" as a person? In the future, what other decisions will she have no respect for?
People who have quit "cold turkey" make the most irrational and vehement antis. IMO, they are worse than those who never smoked at all. Ex-smoker anti-vapers are often resentful, condescending and envious all at the same time. Very ugly.
 

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Seems you have all the motivation you need to work your way out of the nicotine as rapidly as possible. Good Luck w/your quit. JMHO

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Why would you say that? Is the motivation supposed to be so the wife will respect him again? Is he supposed to work his way out of the nicotine in order that she will think he's a quality person? IMO, the problem lies with her, not him. If he wants to quit nicotine, fine. If his motivation is to change his wife's assessment of him, there's a bigger problem here.
 

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That part is most disturbing and, if true, does not bode well. What other relatively trivial criteria will she use to judge your "quality" as a person? In the future, what other decisions will she have no respect for?
People who have quit "cold turkey" make the most irrational and vehement antis. IMO, they are worse than those who never smoked at all. Ex-smoker anti-vapers are often resentful, condescending and envious all at the same time. Very ugly.

Well I'm not concerned about about too many other things with my wife though, god knows, she has legitimate reasons to scold me. Part of my point here is that even good and intelligent people can become irrational and prejudice.
 

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I just re-read my post. Just to be clear, I'm not implying your wife is one of those resentful, condescending and envious ex-smoker antis. I don't know her motivations or psychology. Sorry if it came off that way. It was actually two separate thoughts, one was just musings about your wife's attitude and the other was an observation about some ex-smoker antis I've encountered.
 

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Ex-smokers sometimes turn out to be the worst, and as has been said, maybe the the cold turkey quitters are the worst of all.

Giving up vaping/nicotine is even more pointless than giving up coffee, tea, beer or Baileys: not only are all these relatively harmless ways to cope with the pressure of modern urban life, and a pleasure to boot, but nicotine is the only one of all our pleasures that is entirely natural and normal. It's a natural ingredient of many vegetables and everyone tests positive for nicotine. Try to eliminate it and you'll get sick as it is co-located with nicotinic acid (vitamin B3, niacin).

I think your wife is in the anti-nicotine phase that some ex-smokers develop after a few months and that lasts for a couple of years or longer. Subconsciously they need nicotine (or more correctly: more of it) and that affects their behaviour. With luck she'll grow out of it, perhaps with the application of a little logic. Her coffee and Baileys is far more unnatural than a nicotine boost, and giving those up would make more sense - although none of it makes any sense in today's urban pressure-cooker life. You might sacrifice a month off your life to staying sane; seems like a bargain to me.

If you want to stay in pristine health and live forever you can go and live up the side of a mountain, drink spring water and live on carrots, nuts and the occasional rabbit. Surprisingly few people make that choice.
 
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I see it as her way of coping with her quit...sorry that it's coming back on you brother. Having quit for a three month chunk just to come back to it in the past, I can very slightly see her rationale. If she beats up on it, makes herself hate it, regardless of the situation, her quit is more likely to stick. I'd say as long as that's the only focus of any of her angst, good deal, and try to support her as much as possible. Honestly, it seems like you've already gotten things figured out though ;).
 

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We have such a hang-up about the word "addiction" that no one wants to drill down to what need is fed by the substance. Easy answers should always be rejected.
Some of us are nicotine freaks, pure and simple. The patches or gum or mints often are enough for them. I always knew it wasn't the nicotine I kept coming back for.
I loved to smoke! I enjoyed every aspect except costs and clean up.
When I started to vape, I knew I had my answer. I vape A LOT! I take care of my mother all day and since she smokes, I can vape all day. It's my naughty, evil, subversive pastime! I love the vibe of the Caterpillar in Alice in Wonderland!
I vaped and smoked for about a month, but then I started to forget to buy smokes. The occasional half-day without an analog was nasty. Nasty enough that I stopped analogs entirely! Three wobbly days, then they stopped haunting me.
I never say "I quit smoking" because I didn't. I vape because it's better! How the heck did I stay with one brand for 30 years when so many other flavors were available?
If a spouse or boss or parent is so opposed, it probably stems from the guilt trip all addicts are beaten over the head with. Just smile...and come back with their addiction! "More coffee, Bob?" "How many chocolates have you eaten today?" "Do you really think light beer is somehow less beer?" We all have our medications!
 

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"Do you really think light beer is somehow less beer?"

I love that. Somehow people think "light beer" is "healthier" because it has less calories. Aristotelian reductionism at its best.

There's gotta be a short circuit in logic where people go: Since A (Tobacco, which is B + C (where B is nicotine and C is the other 3999 chemicals)) causes D, therefore B causes D.

It's too much mental effort to keep in mind that those 3999 chemicals cause more harm than nicotine. It's even easier to lump them all into a single category not thinking that it's probably not nicotine that's the problem, but a cocktail of the other 3999 chemicals (which I am sure there are some in there that have no known ill long-term effects, but there are some that do).

It's like "oh, I drink light beer because it has less calories so I'll stay thinner." Or, "oh, I drink light beer because it has less alcohol" and yet proceed to drink 8 of them. *Love it*
 

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I vaped and smoked for about a month, but then I started to forget to buy smokes. The occasional half-day without an analog was nasty. Nasty enough that I stopped analogs entirely! Three wobbly days, then they stopped haunting me.
I never say "I quit smoking" because I didn't. I vape because it's better! How the heck did I stay with one brand for 30 years when so many other flavors were available?

But you DID quit smoking. You didn't quit nicotine, but you definitely quit smoking. It's a mental shift that a lot of new vapers have a problem with and it's the reason a lot of them still vape in smoking areas and otherwise act like they're smoking.

Vaping is in no way, shape or form, smoking. Vaping is no more smoking than taking a vitamin C tablet is eating an orange.

Do you really think light beer is somehow less beer?
Well, yes. Generally, A light beer contains more water, fewer calories and usually less alcohol than a regular beer. Given the same consumption, and that's the assumption when making such comparisons, it IS healthier. There's no Aristotelian reduction necessary. Now if you're saying that 2 or 3 light beers is no less beer or no healthier than a regular beer, then you'd be right. But that's a different question. An egg is healthier than a cupcake, but I'm not so sure that it would be healthier to sit down and eat two dozen eggs than one cupcake.
 
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