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This guy has an interesting theory. The Prophecy of The Church Of Philadelphia and Two Raptures

First, I know, he has picked a bad name for his website, and it's tacky and full of drama, but ALOT of the things on his website are true and correct. I've read most of it myself. The website is poorly laid out, a little confusing.........but there is some good info there. He studies the Bible Code constantly....

But this theory of 2 raptures, I don't know. What do you guys think???

Also, I've read the Bible Code book, and it's pretty compelling stuff. Thoughts on that?
 

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Besides the fact that it made my computer go kaflooey, I think the guy is a nut job. Why? Because I noticed that he didn't include Dr. Billy Graham or Franklin in his list....or Dr. Adrian Rogers.....or Dr. Charles Stanley. I think it's great that you are finding these folks, Lisa, so that they can be exposed for who they are. You stated that he has some great things, but that you just don't know. If he's not 100% on everything, don't buy into it. Great job, Lisa!:2cool:
 

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This guy has an interesting theory. The Prophecy of The Church Of Philadelphia and Two Raptures

First, I know, he has picked a bad name for his website, and it's tacky and full of drama, but ALOT of the things on his website are true and correct. I've read most of it myself. The website is poorly laid out, a little confusing.........but there is some good info there. He studies the Bible Code constantly....

But this theory of 2 raptures, I don't know. What do you guys think???

Also, I've read the Bible Code book, and it's pretty compelling stuff. Thoughts on that?

I've seen this Guy's site once or twice & didn't have time to devote to it and have always meant to go back & research it.. you've just given me good & compelling reason.
As for the rapture personally... I don't know, I 'want' to believe Jack Van Impe's view of one rapture.. but I'm NOT positive about my position entirely on that yet as I haven't gotten any discernment on the Lord about this... I'm praying & waiting on the Lord.

As for the Bible code, I checked & I'm in it; My Married Name, (Eve Newsom) is in the BIBLE CODE 7 times. Not as the First Eve's Name is in the Bible... IE;, whole name with letters one right after the other, but as 'my' Name within the ELS verse Matrix. ELS = (Equidistant Letter Spacing). Please view the Verse Matrix Photo to 'see' what the ELS Verse Matrix shows. The Letters of my name will be highlighted in a pattern within the Verse Matrix. The Bible Code being prophetic means the "Eve Newsom" who sees this is for whom it was intended, as GOD knows the end from the beginning, so I am seeking the 'meaning' He intended for me. If there are any Bible Code scholars out there who can 'help' me, I welcome any and/or all of you to do so. I welcome ALL comments!
You can view my name in the 'actual' code here;Eve Newsom's Photos | Facebook (I tried to insert the image but it didn't work... sorry)
I'll get back with you LisaLisa on my 'indepth' position about the 'rapture' when I've researched it some more... I'm not gonna 'cop out' on you because I know it's important to you... and it's important to me also so I 'need' to get in gear & do my due diligence before Christ returns.
You guys can check to see if you're in the bible code also by going here; Bible Codes - Free Search Software Freeware Predictions Prophecy - Bible Code Wisdom - This online bible code software has kept me busy for days.. it's quite fascinating actually!
 

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Well LisaLisa, I went back & read Harry's site & I must admit I have no 'absolute' discernment on this as I am of the 'old school' that 'we are saved by Grace through Faith, not of works, it is the 'gift' of God - Ephesians 2:8, while at the same time I believe that those of us who have a personal relationship, through Christ, with a living, loving AND holy God are to strive to be the best Ambassadors for Christ that we can be, walk in truth & love and be ever watchful for His coming. I mean, Christ DIED for me! I WANT to do only those things that please Him and 'be transformed' by the renewing of my Mind and NOT be a slave to SIN and the World, but I admit, I'm FAR from perfect and I slip up ALL of the time and make mistakes. I repent of them instantly and receive by faith 'that if we're quick to confess our Sins he's quick to forgive them and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1 John 1:9. I don't know, the 'end times' are the most confusing times of all for believers, Christ KNEW this would be the case and I believe this is why he gave us 'signs' so that we could 'discern' when His return was near, but leery to give an EXACT time because of it affecting our 'love walk' and our commission of working and winning souls for Christ. It's complicated.. but I 'accept by faith' the 'grace' of God's salvation through Christ, but by the same token I 'live' as though my 'works' matter... even tho' they may not. Does this make sense?.. (lol) I'd rather 'error' on the side of caution YKWIM?
Linda! LisaLisa!!!! Help me out on this! Linda you simplify the complexities of these 'deep issues' so beautifully.. help me on this will you? Enlighten me... you're so good at that. The Lord also admonishes us that 'there is wisdom in the multitude of Counsel' so it's GOOD that we're discussing and seeking counsel on these 'deeper' scriptures from the Lord. Tonight, let ALL three of us PRAY in agreement that the Lord will give us 'deeper discernment' concerning this & He will and we can impart what He's given us tomorrow... Are you all game for that? :)
 

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double post! (my bad!)

*(Ever since ECF re-vamped the Forum I do this and it was never a problem before.. and it takes my posts FOREVER to post now... before the forum redo, not so much) :confused:

Eve, dawling......I'd read your posts twice.....like cool.:2cool:

I honestly don't have the time to put a great deal of study into this within the next 48 hours as I've got end of the month stuff starting tomorrow. CALGON.....TAKE ME AWAY!!! However, Eve, I've had a bit more energy since you prayed for me. Now I know the secret! "Ye have not, because ye ask not!"

I am going to go back to what I know is truth and go from there. I will stand in agreement! Amein! :)
 

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Okay.....I asked the Lord for help on this one. I went back to the website and got all I needed to start and finish this with....but will need a little time to find the correct Scriptures to back up what I'm saying. What I will tell you is that this guy is dangerous and talking stuff that he knows not of. My blood ran a bit cold. Will get back with you on this. :)
 

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Whoa Momma! He hits on so many levels, but what first slapped my face was him calling other pastors and teachers 'clowns.' That in itself showed how high his opinion is of himself and not any other learned clergy. Like I said before, the only one he left out was Dr. Billy Graham, who agrees with Dr. Charles Stanley, Dr. Adrian Rogers, etc. Dr. Graham is an evangelist, not a pastor. This guy says there are no prophets in this day and age. I disagree. (Personal opinion.) I believe Dr. Billy Graham to be a prophet who was on fire for the Lord.....like John the Baptist telling Herod he had sinned. Franklin has picked up where his father has left off.

2) This fellow, Harry, says he is constantly called a false prophet. I hate to put it in such straight forward terms, but....... Duh! There has to be a reason.

3) He said he is the ONLY guy this was revealed to. It reminded me of the Heaven's Gate Cult, who all committed suicide together so they could catch the end of that Hale Bop Comet.....or whatever the name was. He was the only guy who 'received that message.' Almighty God put a Book together so MANY people can know Him......not just one person. God always makes sure there are prophets around. He wants us to be informed, not just follow some dumb mummy as a zombie saying, "Imotep....imotep.....(From the movie The Mummy)

4) Harry talks about Star Trek transporters? On one hand, that is sort of a simile. I did giggle over that one.

5) You cannot lose your salvation......no matter how cruelly you treat others?I believe in once saved always saved. Who can pluck us out of His Hand????? No one. I would like to go into this more in another post, but what he's actually saying is that God is an Indian giver. It's yours....no it's not......now it is.....oops you said that dirty word........oh please!!!!!! How can you feel secure living like that??????!!!

6) And this is the one that really slapped me in the face....we think that we are worthy to escape the tribulation because of His blood? Uh....yeah. He's saying that the atonement of Jesus' blood isn't enough. He's treading on dangerous ground when he says that and he needs a Damascus Road introduction and Jesus just might blind him up awhile. You see, God cannot look upon sinful man. It's like us trying to look at the sun. We can't do it. It's not that God doesn't want to, He just can't. So, by the shedding of Jesus' blood (a sacrifice from life's blood) God can see us, sinless because He's looking through the blood. The blood cleanses us. Jesus' blood is like God having Son glasses! Does that make any sense? Jesus' PRECIOUS blood went everywhere, and this guy says it's not enough? How dare he! In the Name of Jesus I rebuke him and his teachings and I ask you, Lord to send him a beacon of light to share the true Gospel of Jesus so that he will be a mighty voice for you. Amen. Sorry, just felt the need.

Scriptures:

1) Romans 3:25 - Whom God set forth as a propitiation by his Blood, through faith to demonstrate His righteousness because in His forbearance, God passed over the sins that were previously committed. (Reminds me of a Christian song I loved and have no idea who sang it....There is therefore, now no condemnation, for those who are in Christ Jesus. It's Scripture, but don't know it off the top of my head.

2) Romans 5:9 - Much more than, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath from Him. (What is the Tribulation period? God's judgment and wrath.)

3) Rev. 5:9 - And they sang a new song saying: You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open it's seals; For You were slain, And have redemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests to our God, and we shall reign on the earth.

Okay.....Hope this all made sense. If not, like Scarlett O'Hara said, "Tomorrow is another day!" :)
 

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I"m not sold on the once saved always saved teaching. It does say that your name can be taken out of the book of life, or something along those lines. So, for me, it's an ongoing process, not just a one time event. I believe you can be saved, but if you later turn your back on God then you might not be. :)

Why do you say that? People do have differing takes on that and I'd like to know what you base your thinking on, so I can get an idea on how to broach this subject. You're great on finding Scriptures, so this may be easy for you. As for me, I'm learning where Scriptures are, but have a problem with remembering some things. I know I've read it, but don't know exactly where it is. Last night when I did my search on Harry, I had to write down everything!!!!! :laugh: Actually, it's no laughing matter as Scripture is how Jesus battled satan in the desert, and, as always, Jesus is our example and that's what we should do, too. Now me.....I would have caved on the food issue!:blink:
 

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(2 Peter 2:20ff) For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the last state is become worse with them than the first. For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them. It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire.

Clearly Peter teaches that one can fall from grace. The abuse of the scripture is to say that every sin causes this. This is poor exegesis of the scripture. Romans says we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. How can this be what Peter is saying? It is not what Peter is saying. Peter is saying that through apostasy one is denied grace. Sin will not do this to you as we all have sin. Sin and total disregard for Christ and His salvation however will. In other words, if one starts to sin, completely returns to the wild as if never knowing Christ, they will be lost. Peter says they would have been better off to have never known Christ.

Once saved always saved refers to those who remain "in Christ". Once saved always saved does not give one a license to sin. Paul wrote in Romans concerning the same matter and said, "may it never be".
 
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Why do you say that? People do have differing takes on that and I'd like to know what you base your thinking on, so I can get an idea on how to broach this subject. You're great on finding Scriptures, so this may be easy for you. As for me, I'm learning where Scriptures are, but have a problem with remembering some things. I know I've read it, but don't know exactly where it is. Last night when I did my search on Harry, I had to write down everything!!!!! :laugh: Actually, it's no laughing matter as Scripture is how Jesus battled satan in the desert, and, as always, Jesus is our example and that's what we should do, too. Now me.....I would have caved on the food issue!:blink:

I say that because there is just too many scriptures that point to that, and not even one that I know of that says once saved always saved. Ok, I did my homework today!!!!!! :)

First, the Parable of the Sower:

Matthew 13:3-9:
3 Then [Jesus] told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.
4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up.
5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.
6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants.
8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop – a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.
9 He who has ears, let him hear.” [NIV]

The Disciples asked what the parable meant so Jesus explained.......

Matthew 13:18-23
18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:
19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.
22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.” [NIV]

Another one is John 3:16:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

I understand that the word "believes" in the Greek is actually an on going verb. It really says that unless we keep on believing in Him we will perish and not have everlasting life. We are saved by Grace as long as we keep on believing in Him.

And another one: Mark 13:13 Jesus says:
“All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

It says that "he who stands firm to the end will be saved", meaning only those who stand firm to the end, implying that there will be those who can't endure till the end and they give in.

Another one: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." 2 Thessalonians 2:3. A "falling away" first? Who fell away? Once saved christians I'm guessing.

And the most compelling evidence are the scriptures that say that your name can be removed from the book of life. How can it be removed if it wasn't there to begin with????

Psalm 69:28 (New International Version)

28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

And

Exodus 32:31-33 (New International Version)

31 So Moses went back to the LORD and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written." 33 The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

And

Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.


Also in Revelation 2:5, where Jesus warns the entire church at Ephesus that He will remove their lampstand from its place unless they repent.
 

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I say that because there is just too many scriptures that point to that, and not even one that I know of that says once saved always saved. Ok, I did my homework today!!!!!! :)

First, the Parable of the Sower:

Matthew 13:3-9:
3 Then [Jesus] told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.
4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up.
5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow.
6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root.
7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants.
8 Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop – a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.
9 He who has ears, let him hear.” [NIV]

The Disciples asked what the parable meant so Jesus explained.......

Matthew 13:18-23
18 “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means:
19 When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
20 The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy.
21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.
22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.
23 But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.” [NIV]

Another one is John 3:16:
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

I understand that the word "believes" in the Greek is actually an on going verb. It really says that unless we keep on believing in Him we will perish and not have everlasting life. We are saved by Grace as long as we keep on believing in Him.

And another one: Mark 13:13 Jesus says:
“All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

It says that "he who stands firm to the end will be saved", meaning only those who stand firm to the end, implying that there will be those who can't endure till the end and they give in.

Another one: "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first..." 2 Thessalonians 2:3. A "falling away" first? Who fell away? Once saved christians I'm guessing.

And the most compelling evidence are the scriptures that say that your name can be removed from the book of life. How can it be removed if it wasn't there to begin with????

Psalm 69:28 (New International Version)

28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.

And

Exodus 32:31-33 (New International Version)

31 So Moses went back to the LORD and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people have committed! They have made themselves gods of gold. 32 But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written." 33 The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book.

And

Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.


Also in Revelation 2:5, where Jesus warns the entire church at Ephesus that He will remove their lampstand from its place unless they repent.

Correct!! Excellent work.
 

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This is a quick post. I have end of month stuff to do for our business and I'm feeling puney. I'm on pain meds and muscle relaxers today. Something with a quick post like to Bigham only took a few minutes, but this, since I want to use Scripture will take some digging and explaining. What I REALLY LOVE about this forum is that I have to keep my Bible close by!:) I love it and even though I may never believe exactly the way you do, we can still celebrate as Christians! Thank You, Jesus, for this wonderful group of people that I wouldn't know if I walked by them on the street. I'm looking forward to spending eternity with them! :)
 

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This is a quick post. I have end of month stuff to do for our business and I'm feeling puney. I'm on pain meds and muscle relaxers today. Something with a quick post like to Bigham only took a few minutes, but this, since I want to use Scripture will take some digging and explaining. What I REALLY LOVE about this forum is that I have to keep my Bible close by!:) I love it and even though I may never believe exactly the way you do, we can still celebrate as Christians! Thank You, Jesus, for this wonderful group of people that I wouldn't know if I walked by them on the street. I'm looking forward to spending eternity with them! :)

Ok! I'm looking forward to it! :):):):):)
 

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Hey That's awesome stuff! My name is encoded 307 times in the bible code! Its probably just a coincidence tho.........has to be I guess cause one of my dogs name is encoded 21 times.........LOL!!!!


I've seen this Guy's site once or twice & didn't have time to devote to it and have always meant to go back & research it.. you've just given me good & compelling reason.
As for the rapture personally... I don't know, I 'want' to believe Jack Van Impe's view of one rapture.. but I'm NOT positive about my position entirely on that yet as I haven't gotten any discernment on the Lord about this... I'm praying & waiting on the Lord.

As for the Bible code, I checked & I'm in it; My Married Name, (Eve Newsom) is in the BIBLE CODE 7 times. Not as the First Eve's Name is in the Bible... IE;, whole name with letters one right after the other, but as 'my' Name within the ELS verse Matrix. ELS = (Equidistant Letter Spacing). Please view the Verse Matrix Photo to 'see' what the ELS Verse Matrix shows. The Letters of my name will be highlighted in a pattern within the Verse Matrix. The Bible Code being prophetic means the "Eve Newsom" who sees this is for whom it was intended, as GOD knows the end from the beginning, so I am seeking the 'meaning' He intended for me. If there are any Bible Code scholars out there who can 'help' me, I welcome any and/or all of you to do so. I welcome ALL comments!
You can view my name in the 'actual' code here;Eve Newsom's Photos | Facebook (I tried to insert the image but it didn't work... sorry)
I'll get back with you LisaLisa on my 'indepth' position about the 'rapture' when I've researched it some more... I'm not gonna 'cop out' on you because I know it's important to you... and it's important to me also so I 'need' to get in gear & do my due diligence before Christ returns.
You guys can check to see if you're in the bible code also by going here; Bible Codes - Free Search Software Freeware Predictions Prophecy - Bible Code Wisdom - This online bible code software has kept me busy for days.. it's quite fascinating actually!
 
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