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You're good to go....I've used Noalox for over 20 years for electrical aluminum connections....but here is a part of the material safety data sheet info for you to see....

SECTION IV - HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION
EFFECTS OF OVEREXPOSURE - Conditions to Avoid
None normally expected. Upon prolonged contact, may cause temporary eye discomfort.
THRESHOLD LIMIT VALUE
Zinc dust or silicon dioxide as dust: 10mg/m.
PRIMARY ROUTES OF ENTRY Inhalation Skin Contact Other (specify)
EMERGENCY FIRST AID PROCEDURES
SKIN CONTACT: Wash with soap and water for 15 minutes.
EYE CONTACT:
Flush with water for 15 minutes
INGESTION:
Induce vomiting and consult physician or local poison control center.

Here is a link that shows the product capabilities and a clickable link for the MSDS sheet...

http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=noalox&div=5&l1=accessories


Bamrz, is NO-OX-ID basically the same as Ideal's Noalox? If so, Flynn and I are very much IN!
 
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Hah. I've gotta take some pictures for Doug. I couldn't do it earlier because of finals and all that, guess I'll be spending some time in Photoshop. Once those are done, then I'll just strip the remaining paint off lol.

Mine has been coming off. Probably half my numbers are missing. I don't care really other than the fact hate it is doing it so soon and most importantly my aging eyes have a hard time making out he numbers, i rarely move the dial anyway, so it's all good.
 

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Personally, I'd be wary of using dryer sheets with my vaping stuff. They contain tons of chemicals, including multiple carcinogens. Especially since the air flows through the billet box, I wouldn't feel comfortable.

I've used noalox on plenty of mods before, but again I would hesitate to use it with the BB, due to the internal air flow.

Perhaps I'm being over cautious, but I'm using nothing other than vegetable oil or olive oil, and my door slides smoother than the day I got it.
 

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Still going with the dryer sheet swipe:):)
Used them on my clothes for so many years:)

I may be acting overly cautious, but i figure when there's easy options that aren't full of chemicals, why take the chance?

That being said, I always use dryer sheets in my laundry. I stopped using them for a bit when I first read about all of the carcinogens, but it just wasn't the same without them. I've been known to throw two sheets in with one load for extra freshness.

Anyway, to each his own. We all presumably smoked cigarettes for years, and even a BB slathered in dryer sheets and noalox is undoubtedly leaps and bounds healthier than smoking.
 

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I may be acting overly cautious, but i figure when there's easy options that aren't full of chemicals, why take the chance?

That being said, I always use dryer sheets in my laundry. I stopped using them for a bit when I first read about all of the carcinogens, but it just wasn't the same without them. I've been known to throw two sheets in with one load for extra freshness.

Anyway, to each his own. We all presumably smoked cigarettes for years, and even a BB slathered in dryer sheets and noalox is undoubtedly leaps and bounds healthier than smoking.

I have a sudden and inexplicable urge to watch Ghostbusters.

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Hah. I've gotta take some pictures for Doug. I couldn't do it earlier because of finals and all that, guess I'll be spending some time in Photoshop. Once those are done, then I'll just strip the remaining paint off lol.

All of the 'blacking' has now come off of my dial.

who has a good recommendation for a vendor that sells something besides boges that would work in the bb? like smok tek 35mm cartos or somethng? the boges have been hit and miss with me lately. please, somebody help!!!

thanks!

I need a recommendation too! Preferbly for something easily available in the UK / Europe. I bought ( 5 boxes of... ) Kanger's, but they are too short :(

I got on fine with Boge's for months, but lately I have only been getting like 1-2 good ones out of a 5 pack. The QC seems to be a bit ropey.
 

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Mothers Updated,

busy week,,, birthdays, mothers days, machine service peoples, wrong parts in the mail, missing parts in the mail.... uhhg anyway. Sorry i haven't had time to pop in here at all, just mega busy. The new machine has been named however, and she is just about 100% functional. The code is all written, tested, and working, just waiting on one more little part for "RUBY" before i can press play and have her go to town milling out boxes.

It took a few days and a few return trips for the CNC machine service guy to get her probe system all installed, there was missing parts involved and she is kinda' an odd ball machine so things are a little different (read: harder) for her. The probe is two main things, first is this "eye" that gets mounted inside her chassis..


that eye looks down and looks for signals from the actual probe that gets mounted in the spindle... she can pick up this probe when she needs it and put it away all by herself too.... neat-O...


now the probe can do lots of different things, gather data, find corners of stock, make sure cuts are accurate.... but most of time it will just be finding the center of things... like jig pallets I make. She will lower the probe into an index hole, bounce off the walls of the hole and then do the math to find the exact dead center..... umm, going to try to embed a video here, not sure if it will work...


anyway, after that probe got installed i was able to make another jig i needed to machine the 2nd operation of the BB bodies, if you were around during the first billet birthing updates you saw somethin' really similar to this but it was Dev specific and Ruby needs her own stuffs....


so above is the finished jig, but i snapped a few pics as she was making it. This was taken about 4 minuets into machining.. not too messy..


now about 15 min's into machining... getting pretty messy....


all done, what a pig... can't even see her work.


removed all the junk to see how it turned out,,,, pretty nice!! good work Ruby! (could have been a little cleaner bout it though, sheesh, least Dev cleans up after herself)


so, i'm still at tinkering with Ruby, she works, but still not quite in "going to town mode" quite yet. Dev on the other hand, never stops moving. She's been working hard cutting everything from circuit boards to tanks and everything in between. I'll try another vid embed here of her workin' on some of the tank faces....


dayshift guys are working on tanks non stop, both for the pre orders and some for sale sooner on some new platform office people are working one... should be not to much longer till that is online...

nightshift is all about electrical parts, and i dare say a little ahead of the game, so that's nice!


so that's where we're at in the shop. makin stuffs.. I haven't yet had time to go all though the thread, but i have heard alot of the engraving filler has been coming out. I don't know why it is happening to some and not others aside from that the epoxy mix was different from one batch to another is my only guess. I removed it all out of one for someone with just some compressed air and a toothpick, and it looks great that way too, but I will be happy to re blacken anyone's for them with a new technique i am going to start using from here on out. But please, if you can wait until after i have these pre orders filled that would be a big help to me, i am just really spread a bit thin right now with all this set up and prep. I really am sorry it happened in the first place, and I just don't know why, mine is still fine and it's the oldest one on the planet... wish i had an answer but all i have is a better method.

as always, if you need me for anything, support number on the site will make my phone do ringing sounds.

happy mothers day to all you mothers out there,
on a side note, this was my wife's first mothers day, as apparently I impregnated her around last pre orders shipping. Sure, our baby/infant is still inside her belly, but it still counts!

~DD
 

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DD can you tell me how many BB there is around the world after that second pre-order,

I'm one of them
Thank a lot, Doug :toast:
umm, that would be between 6 and 7 hundred i think after this pre-order is out the door... funny how that seems like such a small number in the big picture, but for me, damn, that's a big number.... and i vaped or will vape every single one of um.
 

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Came trying to figure out when the next run for the Billet box was and ended up buying a bunch of other stuff.... lol.
On a side note - anyone know the ETA for the next batch of Billet boxes?
Hopefully should have stock on shelves and a steady stream of BB's from then on out starting a little before or round the beginning of July. *shOuld* but really, the new machine i'm setting up now is going to make a HUGE difference in availability, she is super mega fast.
 

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Aaaaaalrighty then ... another weekend, another Diver mod update. This here is kinda how I modified the Diver (this time) to ditch the flange, enshorten the tube, and a new thingymabobber I did that might help with an issue I ran into over time.

Behold, the Diver, in all its original nakedness.
This is a good time to caliper the diameter of the tube itself as a benchmark for when you're done removing flange material.
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And the Diver was ashamed, and did cover itself ... actually, this is just for protection.
A single layer of gaffers tape (kinda like duct tape but thick woven cloth, lower tack and removes clean).
Made sure there was no overlap so as to not to make it eccentric when chucked.
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Protected Diver chucked into a drill press, moderate pressure. Don't want to over tighten and damage/crimp the tube, but don't want it to wobble or fall out. During the operations, drill press was set up for 3000 RPM.
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After trying a few other things, this metal file did the best job of taking material off the flange while providing good control. With two hands it was easy enough to brace on the drill press table and make sure the file only contacted the flange.
This pic was NOT taken during the actual operation -- only so many hands, dontchaknow -- but shortly after starting I put some gaffers tape over the threads too, to make sure a slip of the file wouldn't ruin them.
During the operation, if the lighting is good you can easily see the flange sticking out. Keep filing material away JUST until you can't easily see the flange. Use the caliper to check. Only file away material until what used the be the flange area matches the diameter of the tube.
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When done filing, while the Diver is still chucked bottom-down, now is a good time to do two more things:
1. Check the bottom edge of the base to see if it's sharp. If so, spin up and use the file to lightly radius or chamfer the edge.
2. Spin up and use very fine sanding/polishing paper until you're satisfied with the finish. It doesn't have to be glass-smooth but it should not be rough.

A dimple left in the gaffer's tape from the drill press chuck.
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Proof that the gaffers tape did its job and protected the Diver tube.
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Gaffers tape removed and re-applied to cover the BOTTOM of the Diver, leaving the top of the tube exposed -- 'cause we ain't done yet. Chuck that puppy again with the top facing down.
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This kind of thing will probably get me kicked in serious machinist circles. After checking the drill press table as square as I could with a machinist/engineers square, I braced a grinding wheel to a billet of PTFE (checked level/square) on the table, pressed the chucked Diver on to the grinding wheel and zeroed out the digital depth scale on the drill press.
Knowing that about 1.9mm needs to be removed from the top, I spun her up, lowered to zero, and started adding pressure to remove material on the face of the grinding wheel. Periodically I'd move the wheel about to get a fresh cutting face. Stopped when the meter read 1.9mm.
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After that, used a smaller/finer file to deburr the outside and inside of the Diver tube and hand-polished the end with some fiber optic polishing paper I have handy. Calipered to about 34.8mm with the Diver tube fully tightened down, providing play up to about 35.3mm with the tube not fully tight but still sealing on the o-ring on the base.

About the new issue: After replacing the silicon gasket in my Billet Box the draw on the Diver got REALLY tight with much flooding and poor vapor production. Thought that I'd really messed up my last re-coil, but it worked great when the same Diver/tank was tested on an eGo battery. Did some dry fitting without the tank and found this:
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Basically, the replacement gasket seems thicker than the one before (which might have just been compressed over time, not sure yet). The new gasket was pushing up into to the air flow channel of the Diver base and cutting off air flow when the brass ring was snugged down.

To be fair, this probably would not have been a problem had I not shaved a bit off the bottom of the Diver's center pin to make it level with the thread collar (described in a previous post) ... but at the time I felt that was necessary to provide a good seal with the gasket, and did not realize that the Diver is not like a standard carto wiith an airflow hole or two drilled through the base above the 510 threads. The air channels are slotted into either side of the connector with shallow cuts in the bottom. The combined effect is to allow air down through the 510 threads (on a standard threaded mod) and under the thread collar to get to the brass positive pin (with channels cut into the bottom) and up through that into the body.

I think the fix is to make those shallow cuts a bit deeper with a rotary cutting wheel, so it ends up like this:
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Just dry-fitted, that looks like it should allow for a bigger gap for air flow when the brass ring is snugged up, while still sealing everywhere else around the collar. This has not been tested yet, but I should get a chance to try this out with a tank tomorrow.

Assuming that is the last of the mods, a summary of all the mods I did to make the Diver more BB-friendly:

- Shorten the Diver upper tube so the total length is about 35mm;
- Shave off the flange so the diameter of the base does not exceed about 9.3mm;
- Shave just a bit off of bottom of the Diver's brass positive pin so it sits flush with the thread collar;
- Cut the air channel slots on the very bottom of the Diver base just a bit deeper so the BB's gasket doesn't block air flow.

How you do all that is up to you. But what I highly recommend, if you are really interested in this, is to lobby Atmistique to make a BB-specific version so you don't have to go through all this crap. Or, just wait for DD to finish designing a custom RBA module. :)
 
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I took the whole thing apart one day ago if you go back a few pages, it ran smooth till the door got caught on the GROOVES that have been cut in the ballbearing YEA GROOVES LOL the ball bearing is no longer round it has two straight tracks through it!!!!The only fix is a new ball bearing or this will continue to happen!

The Ball dose not roll, it acts as a plunger, just in and out. There is a Rubber ball under it that acts as the spring. If there is a ding in the stainless steel ball you can remove the inner aluminum plate that keeps it captive, and simply rotate the ball. They get smoother over time, but really need some frequent oiling when they are new, mine hasn't been oiled in over two weeks and is smooth as a... ummm smooth thing. Anyway, I hope you can try taking the plate off and just rotating the ball, that really should settle it, check the ball groove in the cover as well for any burrs that may have developed, could have been a piece of foreign grit that got lodged into the aluminum, and forcing it back and forth scratched the stainless ball.
 

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Those pics are amazing. Ruby is a go getter.
Looks as thou u been really busy of late, so glad things seem to be working out on getting Ruby up and going. Sounds as thou it is just in time to cause u are gonna want lots of time when the baby comes. Boy are u gonna be extra extra busy soon.
Congrats to you and your wife in soon becoming parents. Happyness to you both.
 

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DD of BB! Super huge congrats on the baby-in-making! Congrats to Mamma BB, too. :toast:

Thanks always for your updates. Ruby looks like one he11 of a go getter for sure, Silverdove.

Vapian, love the pictography and tutorial! I'm heading out to Hobby Lobby right now to pick up some of those thingies you used. Then I will modify two Divers... one fer me and one fer Ms. 2732.

Yeah, uh huh. Sure. :lol:
 
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