~The Billet BoX~

[Kataphraktos]

Disclaimer: I use all of my attys with microcoils and cotton. I find silica and Ekowool setups are less satisfying for me. My opinions will be colored by these preferences.

Test setup for BilletBridge, Ikenvape and Boge:

All 3 were set up to target 8.9 Watts. All 3 use Ahlusion Banana Cream Pie, 0mg nic, 90VG/10PG. I find this juice produces rich vapor, but the flavor is subtle, and can be overwhelmed in many attys. Disclaimer: the best atty for this juice IMO is the Diver, another reason I picked this juice, since it frequently occupies my BB.

BilletBridge: 1.8 ohm Aspire coil, 4 Volts. In the Billet Box, as it cannot work in any other setup.

Ikenvape: 2.2 ohm slotted carto, 4.4 Volts. In a GP SnP with SS tank, on Provari v2 Chrome.

Boge: 2.9 ohm slotted carto, 5.1 Volts. In a Phiniac Phinique with titanium caps, on a Provari Stealth Mini v2.5.

First impressions:

BilletBridge: First coil kept giving me dry hits. Swapped for a new coil, which is working fine. I concluded the first one was defective. Good vapor production, similar to a Diver. Flavor is there, but about 70% of what I get from a Diver with cotton and microcoil. Not a fair comparison, of course. I recently spent about two weeks playing with silica and a regular coil setup in my BB with Diver, and I can say the performance between that setup and the Aspire is almost indistinguishable. Opinions from silica lovers would be more valuable, but I'll venture to guess that many folks using the Diver with silica in a BB will want to try the BilletBridge, as it may give them the same performance without the rebuilding hassle. Let's not forget, there are many people who HATE the flavor of cotton, and find silica to be the best wicking medium.

Ikenvape: Pre-soaked it for an hour, adding drops as it absorbed. Feeding well, especially considering this juice is like SYRUP. Very good vapor production, the equal of the BilletBridge and Diver. Flavor: now, here's the strange thing. If I take five sequential drags, some of them have outstanding flavor, and some have almost zero flavor. The outstanding ones are at least as good as the BilletBridge. Please note: none of these draws are "bad", there's no bad taste, these are not dry hits. Probably needs some time to break in.

Boge: Pre-soaked as with the Ikenvape. Not feeding properly, not getting dry hits, just every draw is off, like it is on the verge of a dry hit. I may swap it out for a new one.

 

[glassgal]

yeah I'm notorious on other forums for not selling... (I do give away the occasional mod to new vapers here and there to start them on the right path with proper gear)... but the Dolphin is one of those devices that is staying in the collection. it has good company.

Note: No Clones, all bought at retail or below.. 98% straight from the modder / proper resellers because I support passionate makers.

Ahha! I don't feel so bad for being a mod hoarder anymore!!! LOL!

What kind are the ones in the front? The one with the little pink cap??

 

[Zencoder]

Ahha! I don't feel so bad for being a mod hoarder anymore!!! LOL!

What kind are the ones in the front? The one with the little pink cap??

bad lightening.. that's copper.. it's the BBM (Bear Brass Mods) Lycan sitting on a Versa Brass SBS with a Median tank and Diver v1... that front row is:

Microstick 18500 w/ Spheroid | Microstick 18350 w/ spheroid | Owl by Crave on SS SBS w/Rocket | BBN Combo | Lotus w/ Quasar | 4nine on Ignition w/ Taifun | Nemesis w/Quasar | and I think you guys know the last 3 mods LOL

 

[Akdare]

Disclaimer: I use all of my attys with microcoils and cotton. I find silica and Ekowool setups are less satisfying for me. My opinions will be colored by these preferences.

Test setup for BilletBridge, Ikenvape and Boge:

All 3 were set up to target 8.9 Watts. All 3 use Ahlusion Banana Cream Pie, 0mg nic, 90VG/10PG. I find this juice produces rich vapor, but the flavor is subtle, and can be overwhelmed in many attys. Disclaimer: the best atty for this juice IMO is the Diver, another reason I picked this juice, since it frequently occupies my BB.

BilletBridge: 1.8 ohm Aspire coil, 4 Volts. In the Billet Box, as it cannot work in any other setup.

Ikenvape: 2.2 ohm slotted carto, 4.4 Volts. In a GP SnP with SS tank, on Provari v2 Chrome.

Boge: 2.9 ohm slotted carto, 5.1 Volts. In a Phiniac Phinique with titanium caps, on a Provari Stealth Mini v2.5.

First impressions:

BilletBridge: First coil kept giving me dry hits. Swapped for a new coil, which is working fine. I concluded the first one was defective. Good vapor production, similar to a Diver. Flavor is there, but about 70% of what I get from a Diver with cotton and microcoil. Not a fair comparison, of course. I recently spent about two weeks playing with silica and a regular coil setup in my BB with Diver, and I can say the performance between that setup and the Aspire is almost indistinguishable. Opinions from silica lovers would be more valuable, but I'll venture to guess that many folks using the Diver with silica in a BB will want to try the BilletBridge, as it may give them the same performance without the rebuilding hassle. Let's not forget, there are many people who HATE the flavor of cotton, and find silica to be the best wicking medium.

Ikenvape: Pre-soaked it for an hour, adding drops as it absorbed. Feeding well, especially considering this juice is like SYRUP. Very good vapor production, the equal of the BilletBridge and Diver. Flavor: now, here's the strange thing. If I take five sequential drags, some of them have outstanding flavor, and some have almost zero flavor. The outstanding ones are at least as good as the BilletBridge. Please note: none of these draws are "bad", there's no bad taste, these are not dry hits. Probably needs some time to break in.

Boge: Pre-soaked as with the Ikenvape. Not feeding properly, not getting dry hits, just every draw is off, like it is on the verge of a dry hit. I may swap it out for a new one.

Kata, I am finding that doing the very long pre soak on the cartos, like a few days, as recommended by DPL and Kat, really makes a HUGE difference. I am now starting to soak another one when I'm changing to a new carto in the BB.

 

[roob47]

Kata, I am finding that doing the very long pre soak on the cartos, like a few days, as recommended by DPL and Kat, really makes a HUGE difference. I am now starting to soak another one when I'm changing to a new carto in the BB.

I'm doing just a regular slotted boge with about 25 drops and into the tank she goes? I have lowered the voltage to about 4.5 and the performance is where i need it to be but when i use a different juice like say a rasberry -red bull after a while the flavor just starts going away like after 3-4 days? Right now im on my 3rd day of pomergranite-honeydew with an enhanced ice flavor almost a menthol cool to it and so far so good. So does juice have a big role in how the cartos perform in a BB?

 

[syndicate2083]

BB specifically? no. This is more of a carto-tank and tastebud thing.

First and foremost, depending on the amount of vaping especially, taste buds can become diluted to a taste after a certain amount of time. Personally, if I don't have 2 or 3 flavors in rotation, anywhere from 3-5 days of straight ADV a juice I get to the null-o flavor zone. And its time to start swapping flavors around. Especially for a new vaper, whose buds are still analog dulled, this can be compounded and make it seem like equipment flavor failure constantly.

To combat that, either 1, keep a few flavors in rotation - If no other tanks for the BB you have 2 options.

1, Load up a non slotted/drilled carto with a juice that is like VERY different flavor profile of the original and connect it to the o-ring of the brass cap of the BB, attach a drip tip and then use the drip tip to screw the thing down, and vape as normal/drip into it, or take it out periodically for a fill.

2, Have a secondary mod loaded up with that other juice and take an hour - three and vape the different flavor. Gives your buds a rest and resets them so to speak. Just like with a long 'fancy' dinner, you typically have pallete cleansers to refresh you in between courses, (though usually for a slightly different reason, of course ). If you don't normally, try a citrus or lemon/lime based flavor, it zaps the taste buds.

- Secondarily, Cartos are easy. Very easy. BUT they, in reality, are a poor long term design which is what they were intended for, short term use.

Having the juice in filler, and vaped as we vape it, you get residue and old juice that just sits at the weee very bottom of the carto, after a while it just kind of infects the other juice so to speak and taints whatever new stuff you have coming in. Vaping style can do this more-so than anything (like if you have a particularly soft draw). Another thing is the filler itself, its - to some, or a lot of people depending on who you ask - generally a much more 'muted' experience than a Rebuildable, or a straight atomizer drip. I never had much of a problem with cartos and quite enjoy them for simplicity (swapped the diver v2 with a carto for this next run so I can tinker with coils).

That being said, they can become flavor neutral more easily than a small amount of wicking, in comparison, of a very neutral material to start (like silica, cotton, ekowool, etc - pick your favorite).

- Lastly, juice CAN be a factor - but usually the last factor, not the largest imo. Not all are created equal, and some just really dont do very well sitting in a tank/carto exposed to cycling air/heat for extended periods. Some just kinda fizzle out, and leech flavor. If you are buying pre-made juices I encourage you to experiment with vendors, there are a ton of fantastic ones out there, and the ones I use when not now making my own juice, typically perform excellently in tanks as straight juice.

So, really, the answer is maybe, but probably not. Most likely its the first item, maybe the second, and possibly the third

Unfortunately there isnt a whole lot thats super cut and dry with vaping, especially as relates to people and their taste buds.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Kata, I am finding that doing the very long pre soak on the cartos, like a few days, as recommended by DPL and Kat, really makes a HUGE difference. I am now starting to soak another one when I'm changing to a new carto in the BB.

Thanks. That's why I stressed that these were just first impressions. None of the coils have had time to break in, and the two cartos haven't really pre-soaked much. It'll be a week or longer before I can say I have any proper opinions.

 

[roob47]

BB specifically? no. This is more of a carto-tank and tastebud thing.

First and foremost, depending on the amount of vaping especially, taste buds can become diluted to a taste after a certain amount of time. Personally, if I don't have 2 or 3 flavors in rotation, anywhere from 3-5 days of straight ADV a juice I get to the null-o flavor zone. And its time to start swapping flavors around. Especially for a new vaper, whose buds are still analog dulled, this can be compounded and make it seem like equipment flavor failure constantly.

To combat that, either 1, keep a few flavors in rotation - If no other tanks for the BB you have 2 options.

1, Load up a non slotted/drilled carto with a juice that is like VERY different flavor profile of the original and connect it to the o-ring of the brass cap of the BB, attach a drip tip and then use the drip tip to screw the thing down, and vape as normal/drip into it, or take it out periodically for a fill.

2, Have a secondary mod loaded up with that other juice and take an hour - three and vape the different flavor. Gives your buds a rest and resets them so to speak. Just like with a long 'fancy' dinner, you typically have pallete cleansers to refresh you in between courses, (though usually for a slightly different reason, of course ). If you don't normally, try a citrus or lemon/lime based flavor, it zaps the taste buds.

- Secondarily, Cartos are easy. Very easy. BUT they, in reality, are a poor long term design which is what they were intended for, short term use.

Having the juice in filler, and vaped as we vape it, you get residue and old juice that just sits at the weee very bottom of the carto, after a while it just kind of infects the other juice so to speak and taints whatever new stuff you have coming in. Vaping style can do this more-so than anything (like if you have a particularly soft draw). Another thing is the filler itself, its - to some, or a lot of people depending on who you ask - generally a much more 'muted' experience than a Rebuildable, or a straight atomizer drip. I never had much of a problem with cartos and quite enjoy them for simplicity (swapped the diver v2 with a carto for this next run so I can tinker with coils).

That being said, they can become flavor neutral more easily than a small amount of wicking, in comparison, of a very neutral material to start (like silica, cotton, ekowool, etc - pick your favorite).

- Lastly, juice CAN be a factor - but usually the last factor, not the largest imo. Not all are created equal, and some just really dont do very well sitting in a tank/carto exposed to cycling air/heat for extended periods. Some just kinda fizzle out, and leech flavor. If you are buying pre-made juices I encourage you to experiment with vendors, there are a ton of fantastic ones out there, and the ones I use when not now making my own juice, typically perform excellently in tanks as straight juice.

So, really, the answer is maybe, but probably not. Most likely its the first item, maybe the second, and possibly the third

Unfortunately there isnt a whole lot thats super cut and dry with vaping, especially as relates to people and their taste buds.

Thanks! for the reply i do have a rotation of juices and another mechanical as well , i do think some juice just does fizzle away from sitting in the tank.
Do you guys "Re-prime" the cartos say after a couple of days? Thanks again

 

[Hrathor]

Thanks! for the reply i do have a rotation of juices and another mechanical as well , i do think some juice just does fizzle away from sitting in the tank.
Do you guys "Re-prime" the cartos say after a couple of days? Thanks again

I add drops onto my carto when it starts tasting off. I also have another device with the same juice so I can decide if it's me or the equipment that is off. It also never hurts to check the resistance. I find a lot of my cartos are bad out of the box.

 

[roob47]

I add drops onto my carto when it starts tasting off. I also have another device with the same juice so I can decide if it's me or the equipment that is off. It also never hurts to check the resistance. I find a lot of my cartos are bad out of the box.

Alright! Perfect so i'm doing it right! adding when the taste is off that seems about right. Thanks man

 

[syndicate2083]

Sometimes a good old carto blow out helps too.

Just get the ever-present paper towel, snug up the bottom end, and blow it out. Course if you have a full tank this might just shoot your juice all over your hand, so use this with caution, preferably removed from tank before doing it then re-prime her up and get back to vapin!

 

[tomas]

Good EU morning BB fans. I found my standard BB tank leaking during the weekend, BB flooded, probably through filling ball of the tank which was already damaged when I bought my BB second hand. If any of you have any type of spare tank, please PM me. I'll accept any conditions. I love this device and I want to use it. No chance to get any type of spare tank from BB website

 

[Peter_C]

Calling or emailing the fine CS people at Billet Box might surprise you if you need a tank.

 

[tomas]

I tried to contact via website, will call tommorow.

 

[Katdarling]

BB specifically? no. This is more of a carto-tank and tastebud thing.

First and foremost, depending on the amount of vaping especially, taste buds can become diluted to a taste after a certain amount of time. Personally, if I don't have 2 or 3 flavors in rotation, anywhere from 3-5 days of straight ADV a juice I get to the null-o flavor zone. And its time to start swapping flavors around. Especially for a new vaper, whose buds are still analog dulled, this can be compounded and make it seem like equipment flavor failure constantly.

To combat that, either 1, keep a few flavors in rotation - If no other tanks for the BB you have 2 options.

1, Load up a non slotted/drilled carto with a juice that is like VERY different flavor profile of the original and connect it to the o-ring of the brass cap of the BB, attach a drip tip and then use the drip tip to screw the thing down, and vape as normal/drip into it, or take it out periodically for a fill.

2, Have a secondary mod loaded up with that other juice and take an hour - three and vape the different flavor. Gives your buds a rest and resets them so to speak. Just like with a long 'fancy' dinner, you typically have pallete cleansers to refresh you in between courses, (though usually for a slightly different reason, of course ). If you don't normally, try a citrus or lemon/lime based flavor, it zaps the taste buds.

- Secondarily, Cartos are easy. Very easy. BUT they, in reality, are a poor long term design which is what they were intended for, short term use.

Having the juice in filler, and vaped as we vape it, you get residue and old juice that just sits at the weee very bottom of the carto, after a while it just kind of infects the other juice so to speak and taints whatever new stuff you have coming in. Vaping style can do this more-so than anything (like if you have a particularly soft draw). Another thing is the filler itself, its - to some, or a lot of people depending on who you ask - generally a much more 'muted' experience than a Rebuildable, or a straight atomizer drip. I never had much of a problem with cartos and quite enjoy them for simplicity (swapped the diver v2 with a carto for this next run so I can tinker with coils).

That being said, they can become flavor neutral more easily than a small amount of wicking, in comparison, of a very neutral material to start (like silica, cotton, ekowool, etc - pick your favorite).

- Lastly, juice CAN be a factor - but usually the last factor, not the largest imo. Not all are created equal, and some just really dont do very well sitting in a tank/carto exposed to cycling air/heat for extended periods. Some just kinda fizzle out, and leech flavor. If you are buying pre-made juices I encourage you to experiment with vendors, there are a ton of fantastic ones out there, and the ones I use when not now making my own juice, typically perform excellently in tanks as straight juice.

So, really, the answer is maybe, but probably not. Most likely its the first item, maybe the second, and possibly the third

Unfortunately there isnt a whole lot thats super cut and dry with vaping, especially as relates to people and their taste buds.

syndicate, GREAT post. If I didn't keep a 1/2 to a dozen flavors ready to go... I don't know how I'd escape flavor burnout. Even my most adored, beloved, ADV can find me turning up my nose at it if I vape it exclusively.

Your suggestion for a lemon/lime citrus vape was incredibly timely for me. A dearheart friend gave me some Lemon vliquid which I tried for the first time last nite. It absolutely did wonders for resetting my buds! Good suggestion.

Can you speak more on the other statements I bolded above? I'm curious as to what really happens to the liquid sitting in a tank and how the constant vaping (heating/cooling the coil) affects the liquid surrounding the karto. How is it the residue of older liquid inside the bottom of the carto transfers to the newer/freshing fills? From what you're saying, there's a transference of liquid thru the punch/slot in both directions? I do see visual signs of usage (bits floating sometimes, darkened liquid oozing from the batt end of the karto when blown out, etc.)

Sometimes a good old carto blow out helps too.

Just get the ever-present paper towel, snug up the bottom end, and blow it out. Course if you have a full tank this might just shoot your juice all over your hand, so use this with caution, preferably removed from tank before doing it then re-prime her up and get back to vapin!

If one blows out a carto upside down, the vliquid will stay where it's suppose to. Don't have anyone photograph you while performing this.

 

[syndicate2083]

syndicate, GREAT post. If I didn't keep a 1/2 to a dozen flavors ready to go... I don't know how I'd escape flavor burnout. Even my most adored, beloved, ADV can find me turning up my nose at it if I vape it exclusively.

Your suggestion for a lemon/lime citrus vape was incredibly timely for me. A dearheart friend gave me some Lemon vliquid which I tried for the first time last nite. It absolutely did wonders for resetting my buds! Good suggestion.

Can you speak more on the other statements I bolded above? I'm curious as to what really happens to the liquid sitting in a tank and how the constant vaping (heating/cooling the coil) affects the liquid surrounding the karto. How is it the residue of older liquid inside the bottom of the carto transfers to the newer/freshing fills? From what you're saying, there's a transference of liquid thru the punch/slot in both directions? I do see visual signs of usage (bits floating sometimes, darkened liquid oozing from the batt end of the karto when blown out, etc.)



If one blows out a carto upside down, the vliquid will stay where it's suppose to. Don't have anyone photograph you while performing this.

Glad you found it helpful. I try to have 1 or 2 citrus (acidic) juices on rotation for that purpose, plus they can taste damn good and wake up the old tongue.

As for the rest..

I am no master of fluid dynamics but I am sure there is easily a real physics mechanic at work, clearly simple observation tells us so.

I doubt it is anything particularly nepharious, but you can tell easier with lighter colored juices, after time if you have juice that you arent cycling rapidly through the tank, the juice in the tank can become darker, or discolored. As you said you may see some bits of detritous coming back in (though usually I suspect that would be loose filler material rather than hardened juice).

For any of you/us that have used cartos for a long time, we basically understand how and why they work.

If you dont, theres a ton of cool videos of the dissection of cartos, or components thereof. Effectively the carto has heating elements running vertically in the carto to give us the vapor. This can leave some dead spots though, which seem to allow juice that may have been heated, but not vaporized to hide in some of those bottom nooks and crannies and kind of just collect the runoff, if the juice is high enough it gets zapped and inhaled and refilled.

The stuff to far down though, that just kinda half cooks and sits down there, and after a while seems to lose its real flavor (probably from the half baking, just leeches that flavor out). After a while you get the discolored effect in the juice/tank - moreso with larger openings on the carto to the tank, and less transference if smaller. I think in reality what basically happens is that it just then dilutes the 'good' juice supply and you wind up with proportionally more and more diluted juice seeping back from the carto into the tank. The slower you vape it overall the longer it has to let it seep back in.

If you havent burnt the filler itself, when you get those gunky cartos in the end and give them a real cleaning they come back to life, because your removing that gunky muted/flavor killed juice. In the case of a tank, you give it an outlet port and it seeps back to the tank.

Scientifically is there any harm in that? I couldn't say with any form of trust or veracity, but anecdotally using tanks for years with this type of mechanic I have never become ill or sick or homicidal so I tend to think not. Just seems to start to kill the flavor, and means its time to either chuck it, or give a good cleaning (blowing it out can give you a bit more time). If you do a blow out, with a white paper towel you can always do a visual compare drop a normal drop and compare it to what was blown out. Just for curiosities sake.

If that all makes you leery (anyone) then the diver/2/billet bridge is probably more up your alley. The juice is used pretty much on demand as wicked and thats about it, some residue may get back in but far less, in my experience.

-As for the upside down blow, good call, sometimes I feel like it doesnt seem to get as much of the juice though for some reason, but it certainly wont hurt to do either!

 

[DPLongo22]

So there I was, all set to just put the whole divemedic thing behind me. After all, we DO live in a free-market economy, and if someone chooses to spend STOOPID-money on something, who am I to stop them? And if there's one thing about this country that I do believe in, it IS the free-market economy.

But dive... dude... (sigh).

One of our more amorous (or at least highly prone to procreation) BB-threaders uncovered something VERY disturbing. You changed your eBay name? REALLY??? After all the posts-on-various-threads explaining your absolute innocence? If you didn't think anything was wrong with your actions, why in the world would you have done THAT?

Oh, you'll have another explanation for us. People of your nature always have an explanation.

But let's face reality here. What you're doing amounts to nothing more than an vapin'-economic Twerk. Shakin' your box for a coupla dollahs (thank, Kat, for THAT).

Listen, we're all really glad you delivered your own child, and that said child is healthy. But I sure hope do she inherits her integrity from her mom, 'cuz now you're just sliming things ALL up. It would be tragic for such a beautiful child to follow in the muddy footsteps of someone playing games at every possible level of life.

You going to do this? Be a man. Stand up and shout it from the rooftops. "I'M MAKIN' MONEY!" At least THAT would gain you some small token of respect. And for Pete's sake, CALL it a business. Register it. PAY THE TAXES! BE the one-percent!!!

Save the, "I only sell things once I know I don't like them," garbage for Facebook. Not that anyone THERE would believe it either, but EVERYBODY lies there, so...

And I'm no accountant, but you might want to consider claiming all of your gains on your 2013 tax return. I'm sure you've already done that, knowing that the taxing authorities (both state and federal) leave the burden-of-proof to the taxpayer. If you can't PROVE that you paid "X" for something, the retail value rules.

But all that's even assuming that said authorities even know about your multiple-site/source sales activities. And what's the likelihood of that? I mean, seriously...

And then they'd have to go through the trouble of requesting, and possibly even subpoenaing, your records. I don't know. I can't imagine anyone there has time for things like that. So maybe I wouldn't even bother concerning yourself with little stuff like that. It's probably not worth the effort.

Good luck with everything. And I can only speak for myself, but I'm definitely looking forward to the next manifestation of your personas.

Got anything good for sale? What about those degrees of yours? I'm sure THEY'd fetch a pretty-penny.

Done.

(And thanks for letting me borrow your soapbox Akdare. It's quite comfortable.)

 

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