~The Billet BoX~

[Kataphraktos]

Sorry bud, sent a PM, I am done arguing. FYI, no PM of mine ever stated shut up, so that wasn't from me.

I have yet to see anyone tear apart the numbers. The math speaks for itself. Whether I am a Wall Street douche, lawyer, or anything else should not reflect upon the validity of the math, or my ability to participate in a conversation.

Funny, because I'm not an aeronautical engineer, either, yet ideas of mine are being incorporated into the next generation of Embraer (and, soon, Boeing) planes. I guess those will, in all likelihood, fall out of the sky.

 

[Akdare]

I do believe we have taken the original, simple question about battery life, and turned it into theoretical physics. I don't believe any of us want to see a complete derivation of Schrodinger's equations as it relates to how long a single battery will last on a single charge.

Nuff said.

And now we shall return to our regularly scheduled potluck, and singing of Kumbaya.

 

[glassgal]

Wow... just wow... I ALMOST understood what was said... I think...

I have seen both recommendations before (use lower ohm coils, use higher ohm coils), and I've never gotten a conclusive answer, and clearly, neither has anyone else. I had no idea that there could be a debate about it!!!

The power consumption of a 60 watt bulb IS lower than a 100 watt bulb. But with amps and ohms and power clouding the issue, I don't know what is going on.

I really enjoyed this discussion, I almost felt like we were getting somewhere to once and for all solve the problem. This issue is one of the backbones of vaping, it's not a preference question. You guys all sound like you know what you are talking about, and I think the vast majority of us do not.

Could whoever told you guys to shut up in PM PLEASE post the final word then? WHAT is the correct answer?

IS IT BETTER TO USE 1.2 ohm coils in the Billet Box or 2.8 ohm coils if the ONLY question is battery longevity? (ignoring taste, personal preference, clouds, vape, blah blah)

PS- I do not know the manufacturer of the diver type I have. I got it for below reasons.
1. the entire shaft is symmetrical all the way up, so it can be slid into any carto tank. The only protrusions at all are the silicone wick ends (and you can trim them).
2. it is precisely the diameter of a boge carto, 9mm. It's apparently chinese made and since the chinese made all the cartos to begin with, possibly same factory made these RBA, so not a clone. Diver is more a clone in this case, since cartos were originally Chinese).
3. there is no ceramic cup. This is just a steel tube all the way down, with a wick, and a rubber grommet at the bottom with a pin in it, structured like a carto tank, but with wick/wire replacement in the middle rather than than the rolled batting you see in a regular carto tank.

It uses resist/non-resist wires... someone said the reason was likely because otherwise, it might melt the rubber grommet at the bottom (makes sense that carto coils are also like this too).

It doesn't fit precisely in the BilletBox, I will have to dremel off the top, it's a XL carto size, the tube is just hollow at the top, so shouldn't matter. I have a bunch of them, and the seller indicated that he has had them a very long time, so they may be out of production completely. They are a clone of nothing I've ever seen (no cups).

 

[drewbalicious]

 

[Akdare]

Glassgal,

The BB has a 3 amp limit, and a 4 volt minimum. Ohm's law says R = V/I, so R = 4/3, or 1.33 ohms. This is the calculated minimum resistance allowed by the circuitry in the BB. I believe Doug recommends no lower than 1.8.

For just vaping on one battery, the lower resistance should give you longer battery life.

 

[glassgal]

Ok. Thank you Akdare

 

[Katdarling]

With all due respect to Kata & Drunk:

Drunk is correct...it is about power, and the original question was about longer battery life. If we want to talk about how long a particular battery will "live"; i.e., how many times we can charge it up and it still reach it's full potential, that has more to do with the battery chemistry...

- AK Dare, B.S.E.E., M.B.A., C.F.P., LMNOP.

Ak, excellent designation.

Yours truly,

Seven, BS, CIA, FBI, QRSTUV.

When I push this little black button it makes a noise, and vapor comes out. It's a Magic Vapor Box.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

^^^^^^^ Dude. My kind of vaper.

 

[Akdare]

Engineers are famous for giving out more information than we are asked for...when I became a Financial Advisor over 10 years ago, I had to learn to judge pretty quickly when the client across from me was beginning to turn into a glazed donut. One of my favorite jokes...

An engineer, a doctor, and a lawyer are in a small, third world country. There is a military coup, and they are captured by the rebels, and are to be executed as spies by guillotine.

The lawyer is led to the guillotine, the lever is pulled, and the blade stops halfway down. The rebels proclaim this the will of god, and allow the lawyer to go free.

After some adjustments to the guillotine, the doctor is led to the deadly machine. The lever is pulled, and the blade stops just a foot from the doctor's neck. Again, the rebels proclaim this as the will of god, and allow the doctor to go free.

More adjustments, and the engineer is led to the guillotine. As he looks up at the blade, he points at it and says

"I think I see the problem"

 

[glassgal]

Ok... wait a minute here... LOL!

I posted the question again on a different forum (because this is the BilletBox forum, and we should be talking about Billet Boxes, not electricity)... and I just got the answer... from a Master Electrician, confirmed by someone else, that the LOWER the ohms, the SOONER you need to charge the battery... in other words, if I'm reading it correctly, a 1.8 will burn the battery out FASTER than a 2.8, so the 2.8 is the better bet... will you guys PLEASE go over there and lets hash this out once and for all?

I feel like my neck is snapping back and forth with all the different answers I'm reading for the same question... ALL of which sound logical (how is that possible?)

Here is the thread, so we can move it off billet boxes (but is very relevant to the wires for the billet box rebuilds, and even buying carto resists): http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/521994-mech-mod-advantages-8.html

Please will you guys go look?

 

[Akdare]

Ok... wait a minute here... LOL!

I posted the question again on a different forum (because this is the BilletBox forum, and we should be talking about Billet Boxes, not electricity)... and I just got the answer... from a Master Electrician, confirmed by someone else, that the LOWER the ohms, the SOONER you need to charge the battery... in other words, if I'm reading it correctly, a 1.8 will burn the battery out FASTER than a 2.8, so the 2.8 is the better bet... will you guys PLEASE go over there and lets hash this out once and for all?

I feel like my neck is snapping back and forth with all the different answers I'm reading for the same question... ALL of which sound logical (how is that possible?)

Here is the thread, so we can move it off billet boxes (but is very relevant to the wires for the billet box rebuilds, and even buying carto resists): http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/521994-mech-mod-advantages-8.html

Please will you guys go look?

Glassgal...at this point...what difference does it really make?

I'm not going to get into you-know-what-kind of a contest in some other thread. That other thread is obviously about mechanical mods. The Billet Box is a regulated mod. Apple. Orange.

Buy whatever resistance you like to vape, and extra batteries, because you will need them. Any time difference will be insignificant, and not worth any more of anyone's time.

 

[glassgal]

Ok, well, I don't blame you one bit for not wanting to get into a pissing contest.. but what I was hoping for was not a pissing contest, but a final resolution for which is better for extending battery life, lower or higher ohms. I think it's something everyone would like to conclusively know. And you're an engineer! You of all people should like to know how things work. There's no difference between mech mods and regulated mods where it comes to battery life, because it's a property of the ohms isn't it??

I DO appreciate your answers, and I have learned a lot from every participant here. Often it's when people need to justify their positions when onlookers learn the most. If everyone already 'knew' the answers, they'd have no need to explain them to anyone else, and so newcomers never learn how something works. Thank you again, and your joke was funny.

 

[Akdare]

?..There's no difference between mech mods and regulated mods where it comes to battery life, because it's a property of the ohms isn't it??

...ummm...NO.

 

[armadillo]

Come on guys. This is not rocket science. The battery delivers a current that heats up the coil. The more current is delivered, the faster the battery will drain. The lower the resistance of the coil, the more current will flow, and the faster it will run down the battery. This has nothing to do with mechs or regulated devices. It's just a simple application of Ohm's law.

 

[glassgal]

Come on guys. This is not rocket science. The battery delivers a current that heats up the coil. The more current is delivered, the faster the battery will drain. The lower the resistance of the coil, the more current will flow, and the faster it will run down the battery. This has nothing to do with mechs or regulated devices. It's just a simple application of Ohm's law.

"The battery delivers a current (amps) that heats up a coil." Yes.

The more current (amps) the faster the battery drains" Yes.

"The lower the resistance the more current will flow, the faster the battery drains"
- THIS is the question everyone's fighting over... seems logical tho...

If this is true, then a 1.8 will drain a battery faster than a 2.8... or... the higher the ohms, the longer your battery lasts.

Geezus, I think it just sunk in completely! YAY!!! Thanks Armadillo.

 

[sgenn99]

I have had the best results with standard res cartos and the rcr 123 batteries that are pictured on the website. I'm a pretty heavy vaper, and I might have to change out my batteries once throughout the course of a day.

I haven't received my Diver v2 yet, but with the v1, I shoot for around 2 ohms. I don't think this device was designed to be as complicated as some are making it out to be. Lol
It was made for all day, hassle free vaping, and it does its job very well, and looks Sexy as hell to boot. I have been using Kayfun style attys on all my devices lately. I can't wait to get the Diver v2 in and play around with it. But the best part about the BB is the fact that it is pretty much hassle free.

 

[DPLongo22]

B.S.E.E., M.B.A., C.F.P., LMNOP.

I'm embarrassed to admit that this one took me a moment.

WELL DONE, Akdare!!!!!

 

[Kataphraktos]

"The lower the resistance the more current will flow, the faster the battery drains"
- THIS is the question everyone's fighting over... seems logical tho...

If this is true, then a 1.8 will drain a battery faster than a 2.8... or... the higher the ohms, the longer your battery lasts.

That can't be right. That's what a Wall Street trader said 2 pages ago, and we all know he has to be wrong!

Don't believe me, or any of the engineers arguing one way or another. Just believe the applied math.

Use the Rapidtables calculator. Plug in 10 Watts for power (you can use any value, but 10 Watts is a reasonable fixed point), and then try both 4.0 volts and 5.5 volts, and see what the amps come to. That's the amp range of the Billet Box for 10 Watts of power. Lower amps means the battery drains slower, so lasts longer.

At 4 volts, you get 2.5 Amps. At 5.5 volts, you get 1.82 amps. Ampere is denoted in coulombs/second. It is a rate of flow of charge. Your battery will last longer, but when you fire the coil, it will take it longer to heat up to full effect. Which is why I said you will probably not notice the difference much.

 

[Akdare]

Glassgal,

I have no idea why it is so important to you to HAVE to know with perfect finality which resistance has the longest battery life.

I have tried to diffuse this escalating drama with humor, and with a blunt recommendation to "vape the resistance you like and just buy more batteries."

Your posts have made many of us angry with each other, when normally we have a great deal of mutual respect.

Please. Let it go. I for one, will not be so willing to help in the future. Not worth it.

 

[Katdarling]

An infamous quote: "At the end of the day, all I wanted was a good vape."

Thanks, Ak. I do appreciate what you've said here, and my hopes duplicate yours.

 

[DPLongo22]

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