The Echo Thread

[sluz]

New Echo owner here...Just got it today (thanks Mountain, that was quick).

It's working fine with 808 cartomizers from my original kit, but this first Echo cartomizer I've filled up is not producing a thing. It looks like I've saturated the filler pretty well (about 25 drops I guess), and I get a slightly plastic taste, but no vapor.

Should I let it sit for a while to let it settle, or is this a bad carto? The battery is connected, because the carto is getting warm (unlike my old 808 battery, which stopped making a connection, and would light up but not actually heat the wick).

Thanks...any other tips?

 

[sluz]

Well...Never mind. It started working, lol. I gave it 3 or 4 more drops, and shook it hard to settle the liquid. Now I'm puffing away contently.

Incidentally, the hard shake thing seems to work really well to get liquid in these down to the bottom. Screw tape and strings and swings and things. I just gave it 3 or 4 hard downward shakes. The liquid is visibly less dense at the top, meaning it's not saturated. Add more, repeat until shaking has no more visible effect. Or measure if you got a syringe.

 

[GMalarkey]

Just a heads up the new carto's hold about 3ml's of liquid.

 

[rshields]

Thanks ...that is what I needed. So 2.5 carts would work For both if I am understanding. Thanks

If the resistence is too low, the protection cirucuitry in a given battery may see it as a short and refuse to work at all. For example, I have some 1.6 Ohm cartos that will not fire at all on some of my 808 batts but will on others (though they won't last long at all). Different 808 batts apparently have different protection circuits.

That being said, I would expect a 2.5 Ohm Boge carto to fire just fine on your small batts. But as already stated, they will drain them faster than standard resistence cartos (my standard cartos are around 3.0 - 3.2 Ohms) will. Again, larger capacity batteries are the answer here.

And I just realized that I did not originally answer one of your questions. You asked about the voltages of the Echo batteries. The 808 threaded Echos are the same as other 808 batts: nominal 3.7 that are really 4.2 to something like 3.3 as you use it.

I am afraid I have no idea if the Echo-e batteries (the 510 threaded ones) are voltage regulated or not. I would like to know myself, so please someone else with an Echo-e and a volt meter let us know. Early on I did not like the idea of the lower, even if consistent, voltage of the 510s. I preferred to vape at 4.2 and just change batteries often. But now with all the options out there for resistence ratings for cartos that allow you to get to many different wattages, I am now thinking that I might enjoy a flatter discharge curve.

 

[txtumbleweed]

Well...Never mind. It started working, lol. I gave it 3 or 4 more drops, and shook it hard to settle the liquid. Now I'm puffing away contently.

Incidentally, the hard shake thing seems to work really well to get liquid in these down to the bottom. Screw tape and strings and swings and things. I just gave it 3 or 4 hard downward shakes. The liquid is visibly less dense at the top, meaning it's not saturated. Add more, repeat until shaking has no more visible effect. Or measure if you got a syringe.

You should get over 100 drops in a new carto. Drip along the side at a 45 degree angle rotating when it saturates or pools, let it soak in a couple of seconds and continue until you get a drip out the bottom. You want to avoid getting juice in center air tube or it will just drip through giving you a false full drip. Let it set on a paper towell a few minutes to allow any overflow juice to drain out.

 

[JimmyJet]

It's working fine with 808 cartomizers from my original kit, but this first Echo cartomizer I've filled up is not producing a thing. It looks like I've saturated the filler pretty well (about 25 drops I guess), and I get a slightly plastic taste, but no vapor.

A new Echo carto needs *much* more than 25 drops to get started. Otherwise the filler will burn and possibly ruin the carto with that nasty taste. Others will likely chime in here.

 

[txtumbleweed]

I just measured using drops and I got around 120 drops. It depends on what kind of drip bottle you use to how big the drops are but you should get at least 100 drops on new carto. I normally use a syringe being as it is much easier for me being as I can't count past a hundred. lol

I just measured my drops and 50 drops was 1.5 ml and with a syringe I get 3.4 ml in a new carto so 120 drops is right on.

 

[OMG!]

FYI-Echo kits are the "Deal of the Day" at SmokeTek -- seems like a good price

Echo 650-1300mAh Complete Kit

Bill's kits are still a better value because he gives you 3 more cartomizers and a drip tip.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...m/194316-d-b-gold-has-echo-e-cartomizers.html

 

[txtumbleweed]

FYI-Echo kits are the "Deal of the Day" at SmokeTek -- seems like a good price

Echo 650-1300mAh Complete Kit

That is a good buy not quite as good as D&B Gold but Bill is out of 1300's I think.

 

[GMalarkey]

Tony at Cropduster901 has some good deals as well and I think he has all the Echo's in stock

 

[sluz]

A new Echo carto needs *much* more than 25 drops to get started. Otherwise the filler will burn and possibly ruin the carto with that nasty taste. Others will likely chime in here.

Wowza, really? I thought it only held about 3mls? I guess I've put in more than I thought perhaps, I'm using a 10ml bottle and it's nearly a quarter down though, so that's about 2.5 ml...I'll drip a bit more in. No wonder it wasn't getting started. I don't think I burned it though - I know that taste, and it's different from nasty warm plastic.

 

[OMG!]

Just keep adding drops until it drips from the bottom. Then blow from the mouthpiece into a napkin, wipe inside and vape.

 

[melloyello]

one thing to remember about the echo cartos is that they are bottom coil cartos. if you dont fill it all the way so that you are getting a drop out of the threaded end, more than likely you are not getting juice to the coil (which rests on the bottom of the carto). no reason to count drops as you fill unless you do it out of curiosity's sake. as omg mentioned, keep dripping into the filler until you get a drop from the bottom, blow through the mouth piece while holding a napkin to the threaded end and wholaa!, you are good to go.

 

[VaporTrails]

Decided to put my Echo-e carto's to some interesting use. As funny as this thing looks it works great. Silver Bullet at 3.7V, 510 flex extension and a chrome Echo-e to finish things off. Loads of vapor from this, wondering how the Echo-e carto would react at higher voltage.

 

[Cigarman]

Decided to put my Echo-e carto's to some interesting use. As funny as this thing looks it works great. Silver Bullet at 3.7V, 510 flex extension and a chrome Echo-e to finish things off. Loads of vapor from this, wondering how the Echo-e carto would react at higher voltage.

Wow! That's cool! I can tell you that the Echo-E carto on 5v just kills my juice. I really like it on a fresh Echo-E battery, it's quite a bit hotter right off the charger than the Echo is.

 

[Cuss]

I received my echo-e cartos a couple days ago and so far love it. Flavor seems to be better than ego/ego-t cartos, I'm happy. How have they been holding up longevity wise so far? I read most of this post and have seen conflicting reports. I am using a 70/30 clear menthol.

 

[txtumbleweed]

That is what I normally vape and mine last a week or so before they need cleaning. I use echo cartos and they are hold almost a ml more so I don't have to refill quite as often.

 

[mohawkx]

That is what I normally vape and mine last a week or so before they need cleaning. I use echo cartos and they are hold almost a ml more so I don't have to refill quite as often.

Sooooo, you've actually started cleaning these things now?

 

[txtumbleweed]

Sooooo, you've actually started cleaning these things now?

Lol not yet, notice I said need cleaning. I will one of these days if I ever run out. I've got the straws, the ultrasonic cleaner and your directions memorized.

 

[rshields]

And I just realized that I did not originally answer one of your questions. You asked about the voltages of the Echo batteries. The 808 threaded Echos are the same as other 808 batts: nominal 3.7 that are really 4.2 to something like 3.3 as you use it.

I am afraid I may have to retract what I said about the voltages of the Echo batteries. I was basing that on what at least one vendor has reported. But I just got my Echo batteries and they are coming off the charger at 3.78 volts.

What are other people seeing? Are these actually voltage regulated batteries and not "true" 3.7 volts? Maybe I am having charger problems (or user error)?

Regardless, the performance of them has been spectacular so far, but I am curious about the technical details of this battery.