The Echo Thread - Part 2

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Charlz

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Smok Tech 808 Slim ViVi Nova Tank - Clear

Curious about this. It would fit on an echo. I'm still desperately searching for a decent clearo for these batteries. I've never been a fan of the metal nipple at the top of the head but if someone gets one before I do (or has one) please report.
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I've been looking for better clearomizers for the automatic ECHO batteries as well. The CE4 style ones just don't hold up very well, especially when using all VG e-liquids, and they regularly have leak issues. The N400 (ECHO) Crystal Vision Clearomizers from NHaler appear to be well reviewed, but look to be the same as those I've previously tried, though they may be of better overall quality. I've yet to try them (though I'd like to eventually). In fact, for now, I've switched over to using Halo 400mah Triton manual batteries with rebuildable Triton (VGO threaded Kanger T2) clearomizer tanks. These don't seem to ever have real leakage issues, and seem to hold up well to all VG juices. The coil/wick assembly is replaceable at a respectable price, and the tanks themselves last substantially longer than either my ECHO clearomizers or ECHO DC cartomizers ever did. Something like that for the 808 threaded ECHO would be great, without having to use any wonky adapters, as I still have a preference for an automatic fat battery. The ECHO is the best, but its vapor delivery system reliability and longevity is a serious issue.
 

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I've been looking for better clearomizers for the automatic ECHO batteries as well. The CE4 style ones just don't hold up very well, especially when using all VG e-liquids, and they regularly have leak issues. The N400 (ECHO) Crystal Vision Clearomizers from NHaler appear to be well reviewed, but look to be the same as those I've previously tried, though they may be of better overall quality. I've yet to try them (though I'd like to eventually). In fact, for now, I've switched over to using Halo 400mah Triton manual batteries with rebuildable Triton (VGO threaded Kanger T2) clearomizer tanks. These don't seem to ever have real leakage issues, and seem to hold up well to all VG juices. The coil/wick assembly is replaceable at a respectable price, and the tanks themselves last substantially longer than either my ECHO clearomizers or ECHO DC cartomizers ever did. Something like that for the 808 threaded ECHO would be great, without having to use any wonky adapters, as I still have a preference for an automatic fat battery. The ECHO is the best, but its vapor delivery system reliability and longevity is a serious issue.

I asked in the Halo forum today if they are going to make an Automatic version of the Triton, didn't really get a yes or no answer. I have several Triton batteries, I've recently started using the new E-Smart 808 clearomizers from LiteCigUsa. They are 1.3ml size, I've had zero leaking and no problems with them. I'm very impressed with the quality.

I've been looking at the Echo batteries at Mountain Vapor. I've never bought from them before, but I'm planning on buying an Echo from them to use with the E-Smart clearomizers because I really like using automatic batteries. If you'd like to check out the Echo supplies from Mountain Vapor here is the link.

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So the LiteCigUSA Kanger E-smart is 808D-1 threaded, like the ECHO automatics? According to LiteCigUSA's listing the E-smart clearomizer is larger in diameter than regular 808D-1 mini type batteries, which makes me wonder how close a diameter match it is to a fat bat style ECHO. Likely, I expect it will be on the small side, as it looks like a mini tank type clearomizer for mini diameter e-cig batteries. My 808 threaded Kanger T2s (Halo Tritons) are slightly larger in diameter than my Halo Triton batteries, but not by a lot. The Kanger clearomizers are pretty good in my experience, so that E-smart looks to be worth checking out. Is it rebuildable at all? It doesn't look to be and I don't expect it is. These types of smaller clearomizers (mini tanks) from Halo (for their smaller, 808 threaded, H6 batteries) are pretty well reviewed. It seems likely these are the original Kanger version of the same type of clearomizer (with the same threading). You might want to shop around and compare prices, but LightCigUSA is a good company in my experience, though I haven't ordered from them recently. I used to get all my old m401 series e-cig stuff from them, before those were discontinued. They are great about sending out correct items right away if they send you something that doesn't work, or sent you the wrong item, without you having to send anything back first.
 

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Yes, the Kanger E-Smart clearos from LiteCigUsa are 808d-1 threaded the same as the Echo auto. The E-Smart clearos also come in a 510 threaded version, but the ones from LiteCig are the 808 version. The E-Smart are quite a bit bigger than the G6 mini tanks. If you've ever seen an Elite 808 battery, I believe the E-Smart clearo is close to the same diameter as an Elite 808 bat. But it is a lot smaller than the larger Triton tanks. The E-Smart holds 1.3ml of eliquid. It is not rebuildable.

I've been using the current one for 10 days, it's still going strong. I've washed it once and will do that again when this tank runs out. My experience with it so far has just been all good. :)
 

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Hi All,

What ever happened to Echo? I have been using the Echo system for over 2.5 years and still find it to be the most hassle free personal vaporizer available. I went to the Vegas Vapefest and asked around for 808 parts and no one had any!

Presently, the "stealth" 1100 & 1300 mAh batteries (the one I find best for use at the movies) nearly absent from the marketplace. This auto-battery has no peers for ease of use and yet is extremely hard to find.

I am using the same 4 CE4's (with replaced wicks) for over 1.4 years. Occasionally, small leaks will occur but nothing that would cause me to stop using them. They are still the most hassle-free cartomizer I have ever used. I imagine the manufacturers could tighten up the specs an make them leak free too if the demand was there.

I still don't know of a better starter system for new PV users. Until one comes along I'll stick with what I have.
 

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Yeah, the ECHO, for whatever reason, just hasn't taken off with popularity. If anything, it seems even less popular now than when it first came out. I suppose if it were a 510 threaded device it may have had more luck. I'm not sure why 808 threaded devices are so much less common in comparison to 510 ones. They just are, though there are clearly some really good 808 devices out there, like the ECHO. 808 threaded devices seem to be particularly well suited to automatic batteries compared to 510 threaded devices, though I'm not sure why that should be. The fact that there is so little out there in larger than mini-cig sized automatic batteries also seems strange to me. I think that feature is still common in the smaller battery sizes because that makes for the easiest transition from analogs to e-cigs for newbies, which is understandable. Past reliability issues with some larger automatics (as well as the smaller ones) has apparently soured more advanced user demand for automatics. I think if these users knew how reliable a good automatic like the ECHO can be (and is) that situation would be different. It is an uphill battle now though. We could try to place more demand on online suppliers with an e-mail campaign, but I'm not sure what else can be done about the situation.
 

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Sigh. Starting to get disillusioned with suppliers and quality. Have another bad carto. Of the two batteries I ordered over the summer (my first stealth Echos), one died and I can't resurrect it, and the other appears to be ailing. There's almost nothing available online these days - Smoktek has been "temporarily out of stock" for over six months now.

If any Echo users can steer me toward the best gear on the "popular" 501 thread side, I would be appreciative. Looks like I'm going to have to try something new, and this upsets me greatly, as the only PV I've ever used has been Echo.
 

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The only 510 threaded stuff I ever recall using was the FIN mini "cig-alike" type e-cigarette batteries and cartomizers that can be bought locally on a retail level at Walmarts, truck stops, gas stations, and probably from several other places nowadays as well. They were actually okay for what they were, but you'd probably want something in a 510 threaded fat battery - which there are oodles of sources for online, as well as a plethora of cartomizer, tank and clearomizer options. Unfortunately, automatic fat batteries in 510 or nearly any other threading are a lot less available, with much, much fewer size and color options - unless you buy from overseas.

Right now, I'm still using the 808D threaded Halo Triton 400mah fat batteries I got to replace my original ECHO gear. They are manual button operated, with unfortunately no automatic option available. Their clearomizer tanks work very well, are easy to maintain, and have relatively cheap replacement coil assemblies available at 3 different resistance range levels. I've yet to have to replace any of my original Triton clearomizer bodies, but have gone through about a dozen wick/atomizer coil assemblies over the last few months. They are about $2.50 each, sold in 6-packs.

I've also tried the SI Volt Mini T3 clearomizers, which are of compatible 808D threading with the Triton batteries. They are bottom coil instead of top coil, and are a bit shorter, with a smaller e-liquid capacity, but are also good performing clearomizers. Overall I prefer the Triton clearomizers, which are just an 808D threaded Kanger model that is normally 510 threaded. This is mainly because the Triton replacement coil assemblies are a little cheaper, and seem to last a little longer before needing to be replaced. Both give good vaping performance - with no significant leakage issues. The shorter Mini T3 is nice from a size perspective, and it is as easy to refill as the Triton tanks, but that is its only real advantage to me. There is also a larger capacity, longer, "regular" size SI Volt T3 clearomizer, but I have heard it has more issues with leaks - though I haven't actually confirmed that myself, having never tried them.

The Triton batteries are real champs, but I understand that the SI (Smokeless Image) 808D threaded fat batteries (which do have longer automatic versions available) are also very good. My manual Triton 400mah batteries have outlasted my old ECHO 350mah (or was it 300mah?) batteries in general durability and charge retention, so I'm pretty satisfied with them. The 400mah Triton batteries are shorter than a 650mah ECHO battery (which is what I used to normally use before). With the longer Triton clearomizer tank attached, the length is very similar to what I had using an ECHO setup, with either a clartomizer or clearomizer attached. It is shirt pocket friendly size which I like quite a bit. Not too small. Not too large. Even a short 400mah Triton battery provides a few hours of vape before needing a recharge. They are small, so carrying charged spares is no problem, and they recharge in only about 90 minutes - while they can last nearly twice that long at a fairly normal (for me) vaping level. Of course, larger size Triton (and SI Volt fatty) batteries are also available, including 650mah, 900mah, and I forget what else (up to like 1600 or 1800mah, I think).

Admittedly, the Triton and the big SI Volt batteries are not 510 threaded. So, if you still want to go the 510 route (which there is nothing wrong with), I suggest you ask the folks that are really into 510 threaded gear. They would probably know a lot more about it than many of us here that still fondly remember the ECHO automatic, and wish it weren't fading away so rapidly as it appears to be.
 

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hey, everybody. I thought I would stop by. I got my health back and everything is good.
Things sure have changed since the last time I was here.
Have a great day.

So good to see you posting and what great news about your health. Welcome back Bill!
 
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