The Echo Thread

[txtumbleweed]

I am afraid I may have to retract what I said about the voltages of the Echo batteries. I was basing that on what at least one vendor has reported. But I just got my Echo batteries and they are coming off the charger at 3.78 volts.

What are other people seeing? Are these actually voltage regulated batteries and not "true" 3.7 volts? Maybe I am having charger problems (or user error)?

Regardless, the performance of them has been spectacular so far, but I am curious about the technical details of this battery.

That is what mine come off the charger at also so I'm sure it isn't user error. I just checked mine for the first time yesterday being as it isn't easy to check the autos. They work very good at that voltage and is why I thought they were 4.2 like the Go-go. Their looks, vapor taste, carto capacity and especially the auto battery makes it my favorite PV.

 

[ChrisMan]

Thanks Bill! Got my echo-e kit and lovin' it! Great, fasr service!

 

[unmatter]

I am afraid I may have to retract what I said about the voltages of the Echo batteries. I was basing that on what at least one vendor has reported. But I just got my Echo batteries and they are coming off the charger at 3.78 volts.

What are other people seeing? Are these actually voltage regulated batteries and not "true" 3.7 volts? Maybe I am having charger problems (or user error)?

Regardless, the performance of them has been spectacular so far, but I am curious about the technical details of this battery.

As I posted a couple of weeks ago on this thread, I think they run at an effective loaded voltage of about 3.6v. This is just from personal experience. I'm comparing it to 2 different 510 fat batts an ego and a Riva. The Riva is not regulated and runs loaded off the charger at 3.8v. The ego runs at about 3.4v. Running both of these on an echo-e carto and comparing them to the std echo; the echo is right in the middle as far as heat production.

This leads me to another observation, and that is that the echo cartos have not been lasting as long as the echo-e cartos so far. This could be due to it producing less heat than on my Riva with the echo-e. Less heat might be causing some flavors to gunk the coil instead of vaporizing. It could also be due to variances in flavor components and ratios, or a combination of the two.

 

[rshields]

Okay, I just recently got my Echo and there is no doubt that this is a great PV. But I am having some serious confusion about charging these guys.

The instructions say that they are charged when the LED on the charger goes green. People on these forums say they are charged when the LED on the end of the battery goes out.

So when I first got them and gave them their first charge ever, the LED on the end of the battery eventually went out but the light on the charger stayed red. On the first battery, being impatient to use it, I trusted that it was fully charged and started using it. It seemed fully charged (though, as I have said in another post, the voltage was 3.7 off the charger, not the expected 4.2).

The second battery I left on the charger after the battery end LED went out to see if the charger LED every turned green, per the instructions. After something like 15 hours the charger LED was still red.

Now, after vaping the first battery until it quit (LED on end of battery was blinking) and I put it on the charger, the battery end LED does NOT come on. I hope it is charging right now, but I am not sure.

Has anyone else cracked the code for charging these things?

 

[txtumbleweed]

My battery LED always comes on with mine when it is charging and goes off when charged. On one of my chargers the led on the wall pwr supply turns red to green when it is charged but on the old one it stayed red even after the battery was charged. If it doesn't charge it could mean you need to move the battery pin out a hair. I haven't had that problem with my echo but have had to do that with some egos and Go-go batteries. You just slightly raise up the edge on each side just a tiny amount.

 

[unmatter]

There are 2 different chargers. One stays red and the other turns green. AFAIK the LED on the batt should turn on to signal it is charging. If it doesn't come on then either it is charged or the batt post is not making good contact with the charger post. Some have said that they needed to wiggle the batt post up a bit to get it to charge. Some have also tried reconnecting to get it working.

I have not had this problem yet. I have always made all my connections to the battery first before connecting to the power source. I don't know if this makes a difference, but I read that some Rivas had a problem if it wasn't done like this so I just carried that method forward to the echo.

 

[mohawkx]

As I posted a couple of weeks ago on this thread, I think they run at an effective loaded voltage of about 3.6v. This is just from personal experience. I'm comparing it to 2 different 510 fat batts an ego and a Riva. The Riva is not regulated and runs loaded off the charger at 3.8v. The ego runs at about 3.4v. Running both of these on an echo-e carto and comparing them to the std echo; the echo is right in the middle as far as heat production.

This leads me to another observation, and that is that the echo cartos have not been lasting as long as the echo-e cartos so far. This could be due to it producing less heat than on my Riva with the echo-e. Less heat might be causing some flavors to gunk the coil instead of vaporizing. It could also be due to variances in flavor components and ratios, or a combination of the two.

I'm running echo-e cartos with a KGO1100 alongside a gogo1300 with gocart. I filled them both new, with 80/20 three weeks ago as a test comparison. I used different flavor for each so I can't compare flavor between the two. Both hit and deliver flavor very well, still after three weeks and I'm still using them. I just keep em wet with regular top offs and I've had to push the filler down a tad on both about a week ago. So far, echo-e and gocarts seem to be very comparible as far as flavor, vapor and TH. Including the longevity. I used a riva750 with a boge2.0 as a standard for comparison. The Boge lost flavor after 6 days.
Juice was Prime 15, 12mg, 80/20, by Halo in the gocart
Juice was Tiki Juice, 12mg, 80/20 by Halo in the echo-e.

 

[FLJoel]

I have had my Echo for about two months now and have loved it. A couple of weeks ago one of my Echo batteries stopped charging so I thought it died and put it aside. When it was in the charger the LED light on the USB adapter stayed on but it never charged. Yesterday it happened to another battery and I was quite bummed.

I decided to take a q-tip and some soap and clean the battery contacts on the battery and charger. A film of black gunk came off. Low and behold the batteries charged like new. Moral of the story is if your battery is not charging give it quick clean. If you have isopropyl alcohol that would be best but soap and water works also.

 

[Cigarman]

Okay, I just recently got my Echo and there is no doubt that this is a great PV. But I am having some serious confusion about charging these guys.

The instructions say that they are charged when the LED on the charger goes green. People on these forums say they are charged when the LED on the end of the battery goes out.

So when I first got them and gave them their first charge ever, the LED on the end of the battery eventually went out but the light on the charger stayed red. On the first battery, being impatient to use it, I trusted that it was fully charged and started using it. It seemed fully charged (though, as I have said in another post, the voltage was 3.7 off the charger, not the expected 4.2).

The second battery I left on the charger after the battery end LED went out to see if the charger LED every turned green, per the instructions. After something like 15 hours the charger LED was still red.

Now, after vaping the first battery until it quit (LED on end of battery was blinking) and I put it on the charger, the battery end LED does NOT come on. I hope it is charging right now, but I am not sure.

Has anyone else cracked the code for charging these things?

rshields, I don't know if this will help but, just so you know the echo isn't going to do better than 3.8 off the charger, it won't get up to the 4.2 that the echo-e will. Something else to consider, these auto batteries have an auto-off feature that activates after 5 seconds. Did you happen to be taking a nice long draw and see the led blink, thinking it was dead? Probably wasn't and then you plugged it into the charger and the led didn't come on because it is charged.

 

[Cigarman]

I have had my Echo for about two months now and have loved it. A couple of weeks ago one of my Echo batteries stopped charging so I thought it died and put it aside. When it was in the charger the LED light on the USB adapter stayed on but it never charged. Yesterday it happened to another battery and I was quite bummed.

I decided to take a q-tip and some soap and clean the battery contacts on the battery and charger. A film of black gunk came off. Low and behold the batteries charged like new. Moral of the story is if your battery is not charging give it quick clean. If you have isopropyl alcohol that would be best but soap and water works also.

Now that's a great tip! Thanks for sharing that one. Should help lots of folks.

 

[grazia15]

What kind of LR Cartomizers fit/work on the Echo 1300? I heard some don't even fire...

 

[txtumbleweed]

What kind of LR Cartomizers fit/work on the Echo 1300? I heard some don't even fire...

Any 808 carto should work. I just use the echo carto that is made for it being as it works real good for me. I like a carto that holds at least 3ml of juice and produces a good vape. I've tried some 808-d cartos just to see if they worked on it and they do.

 

[GMalarkey]

With some of the 808's they won't fire unless you ease the center post out on them. But other than that from what I've read they should all fire. I can agree with the ease of no fuss vaping, I love the echo.

 

[grazia15]

I used regular 808D-1 cartos on my Echo, they worked great. I mean LR cartos, dual coil, etc... I remember seeing somewhere here that some of them don't fire at all...

 

[txtumbleweed]

I used regular 808D-1 cartos on my Echo, they worked great. I mean LR cartos, dual coil, etc... I remember seeing somewhere here that some of them don't fire at all...

I don't know about dual coil 808's I've never tried them but I did try ego mega dual coil's with an adapter and they fired but would stay on after you quit hitting on them until cutoff each time. I don't know if that was because of current flow or the snapping and crackling of those cartos

 

[rshields]

That is what mine come off the charger at also so I'm sure it isn't user error. I just checked mine for the first time yesterday being as it isn't easy to check the autos. They work very good at that voltage and is why I thought they were 4.2 like the Go-go. Their looks, vapor taste, carto capacity and especially the auto battery makes it my favorite PV.

This is interesting to me. Prior to buying the Echo (which I recently got from Bill, and he is awesome to deal with), I had found out that my sweet spot was vaping a 2.8 Ohm carto on an 808 battery fully charged (i.e. at 4.2 volts). As I would use that battery and the actual voltage started to drop to and below 3.7 I would swap it for a fresh battery well before a full discharge so I could maintain my sweet spot.

So I bought the Echo expecting a "true" 3.7V battery that would stay near 4.2 volts a lot longer than my little standard 808 batts.

Now I have the Echo cartomizers that also happen to be about 2.8 Ohms so I should see my sweet spot at 4.2 volts again, which I now know the Echo won't do. I should be disappointed based solely on these numbers.

But I am not. The Echo is awesome at 3.6 or so volts. I don't fully understand how I am getting the same good vape with the Echo doing 2.8 Ohm/3.7 volt as I was getting before doing 2.8 Ohm/4.2 volts. I guess it must be something to do with the efficiency of the Echo cartos? Regardless, I am now happy that the Echo is apparently voltage regulated as it should mean a much flatter discharge curve.

All that being said, I still think I want to also find a "true" 3.7 volt large capacity battery with 808 threads to play with.

 

[rshields]

Thank you tx and everyone else that replied with help on my charger problem. Also thanks to Bill who replied with help via PM (he is a great vendor to work with!).

We solved the problem by slightly rasing the connector on the charger to better meet the battery. Charged great over night and i am vaping away happily today.

Thanks again, everyone.

 

[unmatter]

rshields, If you are just measuring the unloaded voltage then that is where the confusion is coming from. The loaded voltage of an 808 off of a fresh charge is 3.7-3.8v. If you were stopping using your 808 when it dropped below 3.7v unloaded it means it might have been below 3.3v loaded. So if the echo regulates the voltage at around 3.6v loaded it means it is still within what you are calling your sweet spot.

 

[sluz]

this might have been discussed...but what are you all seeing for charging times?

The sheet I got from Mountain Vapors says 5 hours, the instruction sheet says 2 (hahaha). I charged one of them out of the box, that didn't take terribly long to charge to capacity. The first one I vaped down over 24 hours (!) took 8 hours or so to charge. I really thought it was a dud, but I figured I'd leave it on and eventually the LED did extinguish itself.

I have been on the second battery for well over 24 hours now...and I vape a lot. I hope these batteries stay good a while. I will be sure to clean these contacts off after every vape.

The one thing that's bugging me is the whistle tip. They come out far too easily. Has anyone messed around with different ones? I've already lost one. If anyone in China is listening...We could use some threads or a click in mechanism for whistle tips. That would be awesome.

 

[txtumbleweed]

this might have been discussed...but what are you all seeing for charging times?

The sheet I got from Mountain Vapors says 5 hours, the instruction sheet says 2 (hahaha). I charged one of them out of the box, that didn't take terribly long to charge to capacity. The first one I vaped down over 24 hours (!) took 8 hours or so to charge. I really thought it was a dud, but I figured I'd leave it on and eventually the LED did extinguish itself.

I have been on the second battery for well over 24 hours now...and I vape a lot. I hope these batteries stay good a while. I will be sure to clean these contacts off after every vape.

The one thing that's bugging me is the whistle tip. They come out far too easily. Has anyone messed around with different ones? I've already lost one. If anyone in China is listening...We could use some threads or a click in mechanism for whistle tips. That would be awesome.

It takes about 8 1/2 hours to charge a 1300 battery. This has all been discussed in earlier posts. D&B gold includes a 801 drip tip with his kits. You can buy them from almost all suppliers. I prefer the hard plastic whistle tips from the 801 cartridge. You can buy them at Nhaler five for 4.00. 801 Cartridges

Until you get a new tip you can get that one to stay on if you push it on past the stopping point. It is hard to do the first time but easier after that. Just twist and push.