The Echo Thread

[txtumbleweed]

This is interesting to me. Prior to buying the Echo (which I recently got from Bill, and he is awesome to deal with), I had found out that my sweet spot was vaping a 2.8 Ohm carto on an 808 battery fully charged (i.e. at 4.2 volts). As I would use that battery and the actual voltage started to drop to and below 3.7 I would swap it for a fresh battery well before a full discharge so I could maintain my sweet spot.

So I bought the Echo expecting a "true" 3.7V battery that would stay near 4.2 volts a lot longer than my little standard 808 batts.

Now I have the Echo cartomizers that also happen to be about 2.8 Ohms so I should see my sweet spot at 4.2 volts again, which I now know the Echo won't do. I should be disappointed based solely on these numbers.

But I am not. The Echo is awesome at 3.6 or so volts. I don't fully understand how I am getting the same good vape with the Echo doing 2.8 Ohm/3.7 volt as I was getting before doing 2.8 Ohm/4.2 volts. I guess it must be something to do with the efficiency of the Echo cartos? Regardless, I am now happy that the Echo is apparently voltage regulated as it should mean a much flatter discharge curve.

All that being said, I still think I want to also find a "true" 3.7 volt large capacity battery with 808 threads to play with.

The Vgo is a manual 4.2 v with 808 connector but I don't find the vape to be any better than the standard Echo auto. The Echo carto doesn't fit all the way down being as the Vgo is made for using a cone like the ego so there is a little gap. 801D-1 cartos work well with it and you can use the cone with them.

 

[smann]

Have a basically brand new Chrome Echo kit for sale in classifieds. The Auto not for me but love the manuals, just personal taste.

 

[vapbear]

I wasn't in love with the draw I was getting off the echo cartos but now that I've tried an 808 carto on the echo batt I'm singing a whole different tune.

 

[dberkham]

My experience with Echos is both good and bad. First, my kit came with one bad battery, which was promptly replaced by Bill of NW Vapors, a great site and person to deal with. Since then I've really enjoyed the cartomizers vapor but not the mouthpiece. It gets wet and I suck in a lot of juice because of the design. I've got other mouthpieces on order from Bill in OK. I'm also uncertain about the battery life. While 650 mah is really great and I love the vapor this puppy puts out I find that I still go through one a day, even if I am not heavily vaping. I switch cartos all the time and sample e-liquids using KR808s. After my bad battery experience, I wonder if the batteries are really putting out what they should. I give them a good, more than 8 hour overnight charge. I really like the size of the 650 automatic but there may be an 1300 in my future.
I've found two juices to vape using the big cartos so far, Peach and Grape from Rockstar Vapors. I'm still looking for a good coffee and chocolate that won't clog up these big cartos. If you have any suggestions, I'd really like to hear them.

 

[VaporTrails]

Wow! That's cool! I can tell you that the Echo-E carto on 5v just kills my juice. I really like it on a fresh Echo-E battery, it's quite a bit hotter right off the charger than the Echo is.

Thanks for the info on that, I've found this setup to work great at 3.7 volts. So far the "oil can" mod has been working really well. Also with plenty of extra ego-batts laying around the echo-e carts have definitely been getting used more frequently.

 

[rshields]

rshields, If you are just measuring the unloaded voltage then that is where the confusion is coming from. The loaded voltage of an 808 off of a fresh charge is 3.7-3.8v. If you were stopping using your 808 when it dropped below 3.7v unloaded it means it might have been below 3.3v loaded. So if the echo regulates the voltage at around 3.6v loaded it means it is still within what you are calling your sweet spot.

How does one measure the loaded voltage?

 

[txtumbleweed]

How does one measure the loaded voltage?

You have to have a special meter that goes between the carto and battery.

 

[Janner]

Just want to say I ordered an Echo-E kit with additional cartos from Johnny Bass at Cool Vapes back on June 20th. Received my order on the 22nd (great service and prices!) and started vaping with my Echo-E carts on the 23rd of June. Have been going back and forth between two (2) cartos since then - it's now July 26th. One finally clogged up yesterday, will attempt to clean it as soon as I get some straws. The other carto is still going strong. So I'd have to say I'm getting good mileage out of these Echos!

Had started vaping in the beginning of March with Ego tank system, but started getting leaks and was very annoyed with that. I'd like to thank all the original posters on this thread for steering me to the Echo and to Johnny Bass, in particular. As long as the Echo doesn't leak, I will probably stay with it. Haven't had any burnt taste, but initially I could taste the filler - reminded me of dragging on a drool soaked analogue filter. Must have finally gotten used to it because it doesn't bother me anymore.

I did order some Giantomizers to try out, but haven't used them yet because I can smell the primer and want to find a way to clean them first without disassembling them before I've even used them once. So again, am very glad to have the Echos!

 

[rshields]

You have to have a special meter that goes between the carto and battery.

Well, now that makes sense to me. Is this something readily purchased or are these homemade contraptions?

 

[txtumbleweed]

Well, now that makes sense to me. Is this something readily purchased or are these homemade contraptions?

Some are homemade but they can be purchased but I'm not sure where. Might check with madvapes if he doesn't have them he could tell you where to get one. Here is a video demo of one being used. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...wn-hoosierecigsupply-com-com.html#post2961139 It is the second video where he uses the meter.

 

[JimmyJet]

Well, now that makes sense to me. Is this something readily purchased or are these homemade contraptions?

Most suppliers that are into modding will have volt meters...

Assembled Volt Indicator

 

[DarthVper]

I'd like to add, for people wanting a stiffer draw just push down the filler extra hard inside the cartomizer. Not sure why exactly but this will stiffen the draw significantly.

 

[Galthrojh]

I'd like to add, for people wanting a stiffer draw just push down the filler extra hard inside the cartomizer. Not sure why exactly but this will stiffen the draw significantly.

That won't hurt the carto in any way?

 

[GMalarkey]

So one of my carto's is finally slowing down. I don't want to do the full disassemble clean but I am willing to boil it to clean it some. Is it best to drop it in boiling water for a little while or soak it in boiled water so that the water is very hot? How long should I let it sit?

 

[mohawkx]

So one of my carto's is finally slowing down. I don't want to do the full disassemble clean but I am willing to boil it to clean it some. Is it best to drop it in boiling water for a little while or soak it in boiled water so that the water is very hot? How long should I let it sit?

Sometimes you can get a little more life out of it by pushing the filler down in the carto barrel.

 

[rshields]

Most suppliers that are into modding will have volt meters...

Assembled Volt Indicator

I think I may be dragging this thread off topic a bit, and for that I apologize. But please bear with me as I think this will be a very quick aside.

The descriptions of the volt indicator linked by JimmyJet above says "These indicators may not work properly with batteries that use linear or pulsing regulators..."

Now, I don't really know what that sentence means. But it does seem that the Echo battery is regulated in some way. Can anyone tell me if it seems likely that the Echo's regulation would be "linear or pulsing" and therefore this voltage indicator would not work?

My ultimate goal is to understand how the Echo battery is behaving under load (and compare that behavior to other unregulated batteries I have).

 

[unmatter]

Yes I think it's likely that this volt indicator won't work on the echo. I know to properly read an ego an oscilloscope was needed, and even then it was a guess as to what voltage it was imitating. The ego uses pulse width modulation (pwm) - a series of on/off pulses to regulate the voltage. It simulates a lower voltage by very quick off & on pulses. Many ecigs and mods use this type of digital circuitry.

You can read about it on this thread. The op has info on basic batts then some where in the middle they test fat batts, some of which use pwm of various kinds. Suffice it to say, you need some expensive equipment to get a good reading on some of these batts.

It's possible the echo uses a simpler form of regulation that could be read by that meter. There's really no way to know until you try it. If the echo is the only thing you would use it for then it's probably not worth buying it because the chances are pretty good it won't work.

 

[VapPornRules]

I know we are waiting for dual coil echo's -- I can't wait as I just find the echo too cool and too airy. I wonder why they went straight to dual coil -- wouldn't plain old single coil low resistance be OK too?

 

[rshields]

You can read about it on this thread. The op has info on basic batts then some where in the middle they test fat batts, some of which use pwm of various kinds. Suffice it to say, you need some expensive equipment to get a good reading on some of these batts.

Excellet thread. Thank you much for the reference and the info.

 

[bogs8812]

I know we are waiting for dual coil echo's -- I can't wait as I just find the echo too cool and too airy. I wonder why they went straight to dual coil -- wouldn't plain old single coil low resistance be OK too?

The Echos have dual coil carts?