The Epiphany...

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Bitter Jeweler

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I'm sure you've seen me gush about the Herakles tank, but I'm going to do it again.

vaping has been an interesting journey, in a short time (2months). With hindsight, I wish I started at this destination, as it would have saved some money, but I would have lacked the experience and knowledge I received.

I am so thankful that Kent posted what atty he was using for a particular flavor. Yes, I viewed him as somewhat of an authority, that if he enjoyed his juice creation on particular equipment, it must be good. So I ordered the Herakles. It is interesting that in hanging out on this forum (at large) so few people mention this tank, the Arctic and the Freemax Starre tanks. This forum seems heavily weighted towards the Kanger Subtank Mini. And I have to just say no. Stop it!

Granted, as with everything, there are pros and cons, and personal needs that others find more important that may lead to the popularity of a particular device. I was flavor chasing. Clouds are a cool bonus. Once I got into building coils, I enjoyed it, and felt I wanted to continue that route. I also felt that that was the only way I would find the flavor I was seeking, to have that control. I was actually looking at the Starre tank, but I didn't get it because it was a stock coil only tank, and I wanted an RTA.

*throws money*

While I enjoyed the Subtank, and the Cthulhu, and the Lemo2, the latter two were only marginally better than the Subtank. The STM was the easiest to build on, and had the fewest issues. That probably lends to its popularity. A few of you have told me the flavor was muted in it, but I had nothing to compare to, so I thought it was great, at first.

I did have a benchmark flavor intensity I was chasing. I found ACB in the Nautilus Mini, on a more powerful boxmod (than the Spinner 4.8v max), was AMAZING at 6volts. It never tasted as good in any other atty I tried, even dripping in a Magma (clone). That's what I was searching for. That was my benchmark. The only down side there was even at 12mg Nic, with it's tight draw, I wasn't getting enough nicotine to satisfy my craving so I either had to vape constantly, or smoke. Which I continued to do. It wasn't till the Subtank, that I was getting the nic, and actually had to lower it to 6mg. That got me off the smokes. But the flavor just wasn't there. The only other recommendation was pointing to dripping, and it just didn't fit my lifestyle.

After getting the Herakles, I read reviews that describe this tank atty as being as good as a dripper. Honestly, I am so pleased with the flavor intensity from it, I can't even imagine the experience could get even better. Heck, ACB is even better than my benchmark of the Nautilus Mini.

I have arrived. vaping nirvana!

All my beloved Nicoticket juice is even more wonderful now.
Strawnilla is outta this world! I gone through nearly all my absolute favorite juices (including other brands) and all the flavors are NOW true to the descriptions. I have a few that I never would have purchased again, that are now in the top ranks. That's amazing to me.

This market is really interesting. It's amazing how quickly things are advancing, and how many new products come out. It's amazing how many people are looking for a seemingly very specific experience, and having a hard time finding it. Rebuild is a tough road, I think. it was for me. So many variables to suss out to get what you are looking for. I think I am done for a while now. I can't imagine finding a better experience. Consistency, portability, flavor, and clouds. This Herakles nailed it.

So, I thank you all that have helped me along this journey. Your help, and it was truly Nicoticket juice that helped me quit smoking.

Thank you!
 

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I've been using nothing but my REO and Nuppin' for months now, and it feels perfect to me. I've been hearing a lot about all the sub tanks lately, so I ordered an SX Mini and Herakles just to compare it to the squonking setup I've grown so accustomed to. They're scheduled to be delivered today, so I'm looking forward to trying something new!


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Awesome! Are you mainly a dripper or mech mod / squonker (@jdrewry)?

When you really get into this vaping, it's really fascinating. There's a lot of science involved. Someday I am willing to try a mech mod. I am not there yet, because I don't have a firm grasp of the whole ohm and battery science. I want more than just a good vape, I want to understand what I am doing, and how it works. I ordered the Alliance RBA to that end. I want to be able to know for myself the differences.
 

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It's a much stronger flavor with the REO... and more vanilla comes through. The Herakles is getting better though. I've been adjusting the wattage and airflow, and it's getting close.

The build I use on the Nuppin' is a 2mm dual coil, of 26g with 8 wraps each. Comes out to about .4 ohms. That's been the sweet spot for me.


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Hmmmm....

Again, I'm in learning mode...
This is 6 nic Strawnilla, so I am already high LOL
But to my taste buds, it tastes the same in the Alliance (I know, it's not a Nuppin ;) ) as it does in the Herakles. *shrug*
I am not sure if I should put the air holes in front of the coils, or perpendicular. I'm using the smallest vent tube, and the smallest drip dip.
My gut feeling is in front. I am also not sure how to properly draw on this. Fast? Slow?

But I have to stop and go lay down. LOL

26g, .4ohm, 48 Watts for 4.3 volts.

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Hmmmm....

Again, I'm in learning mode...
This is 6 nic Strawnilla, so I am already high LOL
But to my taste buds, it tastes the same in the Alliance (I know, it's not a Nuppin ;) ) as it does in the Herakles. *shrug*
I am not sure if I should put the air holes in front of the coils, or perpendicular. I'm using the smallest vent tube, and the smallest drip dip.
My gut feeling is in front. I am also not sure how to properly draw on this. Fast? Slow?

But I have to stop and go lay down. LOL

26g, .4ohm, 48 Watts for 4.3 volts.

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@Bitter Jeweler Dude those are some fantastic looking coils!!! When I was @ two months into my journey I was still using the Triton and just trying out carto tanks on a Volcano! Once you try BF you won't go back... Just saying... (REO)
 

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Awesome! Are you mainly a dripper or mech mod / squonker (@jdrewry)?

When you really get into this vaping, it's really fascinating. There's a lot of science involved. Someday I am willing to try a mech mod. I am not there yet, because I don't have a firm grasp of the whole ohm and battery science. I want more than just a good vape, I want to understand what I am doing, and how it works. I ordered the Alliance RBA to that end. I want to be able to know for myself the differences.

When I'm home, I use a mech mod (mainly my Poldiac) with a Fogger V6. When I'm out and about, I use a VAMO V7 with a Joyetech Delta 23. I'm using that tank until the coils I bout for it are gone, then I'm looking for another tank (or two, now that I see that our fearless leader has added the Herakles to their lineup!). I don't pln on buying pre-built coils again if I can help it. I have a dripper, but I haven't used it yet (maybe in a week or so, I'll give it a go).
 

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Build looks a lot better than mine... maybe cut back on the cotton a little. I'm glad the flavor is as good as the Herakles... it could have been worse!

Ha! Good to know I'm on the right track with the coils! I'll take your advice on the cotton. I'm glad the flavor is good on the Alliance too. I would have been bummed if it was worse than the tank. I enjoy using it. It holds enough juice for leisure dripping here at home. It doesn't leak, and it doesn't get hot as quickly as the Magma clone did. Another plus.

@Bitter Jeweler Dude those are some fantastic looking coils!!! When I was @ two months into my journey I was still using the Triton and just trying out carto tanks on a Volcano! Once you try BF you won't go back... Just saying... (REO)
I guess years of making jump rings has come in handy for coil making! Someday I'll bottom feed, but I found some happiness here, and I'm going to enjoy it for a while.

When I'm home, I use a mech mod (mainly my Poldiac) with a Fogger V6. When I'm out and about, I use a VAMO V7 with a Joyetech Delta 23. I'm using that tank until the coils I bout for it are gone, then I'm looking for another tank (or two, now that I see that our fearless leader has added the Herakles to their lineup!). I don't pln on buying pre-built coils again if I can help it. I have a dripper, but I haven't used it yet (maybe in a week or so, I'll give it a go).
I don't mind buying prebuilt coils, if they are good. I wasn't happy with the Subtanks coils, at all. They didn't produce the flavor the Herk does, and they were rather temperature fussy. Up your wattage to the recommended upper limit, crappy taste. There Hek coils, I've taken a little above the recommended top end, and still got decent flavor, but the vape was pretty hot. The Subtank coils seemed to have a narrow sweet spot for "good" flavor. The Herks flavor across wattage range is quite broad! Even using the Subtanks RBA, still doesn't give the flavor the Herk does.

Now, the other tank I got is the GEM by Mark Bugs. It's a little fussy, but the vapor tastes exactly like the liquid. Honest question...Isn't that the point of all this? I mean, these are (for the most part) food flavorings. There's no magic that is supposed to happen when heated into vapor, right?

With the Herakles tank, I honestly feel I am tasting the juice as intended. For example, Gravity, in the Subtank, I thought it tasted like peach tea. Period. It was quite nice. In the Herakles, it tastes like Mountain Dew, and I hate it! It's totally different between the two tanks. Mah Peeps, and Razzcup in this thing knock my socks off! Peeps, I alaways loved just because it tasted sweet, but now it tastes like marshmallow. Razzcup, in some tanks, I tasted nothing, in others it sweet, and undescribable. In the Herakles, it tastes like raspberry flavored icing, on white cake.
 

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The prebuilt coils for the Delta 23 were about $25 for a 5-pack the last time I bought them (probably less now). I have no desire to buy coils, now that I can make my own. I picked up an Aspire Triton at the Nj Vape Expo, and I'll get the rebuildable deck in about a week or so (I am looking at that Herakles tank, though).
 

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$25 is too much for sure. I'm OK with $3 a coil, if they last at least a week. I smoked $18 a day. I look at it this way, I went the cheaper RTA route and never got this flavor, so if it costs a bit more to get the flavor I'm looking for, that's cool. I do enjoy building though, so I will happily tinker with the GEM, and the Alliance.
 

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Woo woo woah, GEM tank, let's talk about that a little more. I've been eyeing that, but it's really hard to believe there's a tank that might equal a bottom feeder. It's from the same folks that made my Challice and that has lived up to every expectation so I'm thinking this tank might be the ultimate flavor chasers tank.
 

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Well, it's beautifully made. The vapor it puts out, of the three juices I've had in it so far, tastes exactly like if you put the juice directly on your tongue. It's nice dense vapor. I am currently using a 28g, 1ohm coil (5-6 wraps?).

I've had my issues, though, and some slight complaints.
One time, after struggling with building it well, and dealing with leaking, I finally got it going good... I had switched back to the Herk, with the .2 ohm coil 75Watts, then put the GEM on, and forgot to change the wattage.

Yeah, you know exactly how that went down.

So I had to rebuild it again, and back to more issues. This time, I finally get it going... Took three nice hits off it...loving it...it shorted! This was with 26g wire. The chamber is so tight the positive post screw shorted to the chamber. That screw needs filed down a bit. 28g works fine for me but another guy is getting a short with 28g as well.

Then there was the time it flooded, and I sucked a lot of juice into my mouth as if through a straw. *ugh*

Again, this is a finely made piece. But it's a little more complicated. You have to take the center pin out to get the base off, to get to the build deck. So unlike many tanks where you can just unscrew the base to rinse out the tank to change flavor...you gotta go get your screw driver, and take it apart. Also all the base pieces are loose, so you will inevitably drop the AFC ring, and lose the little bit of rubber that provides friction to keep the AFC ring from easily drifting. There's no extra of this, so you have to go cut apart a squeeze bulb from a juice dropper, and fuss with cutting a piece to fit correctly. You'll then lose that too.

To build it, you have to screw the base to another piece, the dry build deck,mane then screw the 510 pin in. When your done you have unscrew all of this to free the build deck, to put it in the chamber, and then screw the base and AFC ring on, and then the 510 pin. And realize you lost another tiny piece of rubber.

Why you don't get a few extra O-rings, and a length of rubber used for the AFC ring, I'll never know. I've got tons of spare stuff on much cheaper tanks than this. The top fill design also has some tiny o-rings you'll lose, or they stick to your dropper, and go into the juice bottle. That was fun.

I get most leaking from filling, even though I follow the directions, and close the AFC first, and invert it and pause before opening. This is the point you have to blow excess juice out. And wash your hands, and clean the thing up. So, yeah, I can't say this has been the most pleasant experience, to get the awesome flavor experience.

I have to work on my wicking still. I'm getting some inconsistency with performance. Sometimes I have prime it to prevent "dry" hits. This is also kinda random. Sometimes I'll be using it for while without issue, set it down, come back later, and get a bad first hit...prime it, and it's all better.

I may not be smart enough for this atty. Your experience may vary. ;)
 
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That sounds a lot like the Challice. Fortunately I knew the things to watch for before I had one so I've had no shorts and I use RxW so no burnt wicks. It did take a few builds to get it working with no issues, but once I figured it out there is nothing that I've found that gets near the flavor. That was true with the builds that didn't work like I wanted them to. The thing is so small I had to come up with a very different build and wicking to get it right but it was well worth the effort. The GEM is definitely on my radar and I'll be looking for one once everybody works out the bugs. Hang in there, the Challice had steep learning curve, but once I got it and figured out what to watch for it's no big deal.
 
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