The Ferrari of batteries

[want to quit]

I really don't like making a stupid post like this and considered making this thread in general discussion but since it is related to Reo only I thought best place to post it is here specially with the nice people that are in and around the reo family.

It took me 4 month to at least understand the most important things about vaping PG/VG, ohms, cartos, attys, LR,HV, 306-510 etc, volts etc. etc. etc. Now what I never cared about was the battery a mod uses. I buy batteries left and right some black some red really a bunch of different once.

Now for a while I hear terms such as "high drain" batteries and today I asked myself ok wtf does high drainage mean. I hope my research skills aren't that bad so I assume it means that a high drain battery stays at the same voltage or performance/power throughout usage until the battery is empty not like others where the performance decreases over time.

Now assuming that I am right my question is which would be the best batteries to buy for the Reo and the Reo only? I see mostly the AW IMR 18650/14500 in Red are those the best? Are there any other/better 6v bats then the blue no name bats that you find on lighthound and all the other sites?

Also you have to understand that I have 0% knowledge about the battery industry and quite frankly I smoked and went to e-cig to find a "healthier" alternative to smoking not to specialize in the battery industry, however, are there also high end batteries? and if so do they perform better then the average battery? If you take mileage as an example you would get further with a filled up Toyota then you would with a filled up Hummer (still prefer the Hummer).

Thanks for reading half a page about batteries but I really would like to know. Robert takes so much time to produce amazing mods for us that the least thing I can do is find the best supplies for max performance.

Thanks everyone

 

[ponytail girl]

Thank you for asking this question...I don't know either but can't wait to read the replys so I can learn also..

 

[EagleHawk]

Now for a while I hear terms such as "high drain" batteries and today I asked myself ok wtf does high drainage mean. I hope my research skills aren't that bad so I assume it means that a high drain battery stays at the same voltage or performance/power throughout usage until the battery is empty not like others where the performance decreases over time. - The high drain batts (limn, or lithium magnesium chemistry) put out the proper amount of current to power a low resistance atomizer, and thus give a better vape for the life of the charge. They are also known as a safer chemistry battery, as if they vent, they typically do not explode or have any flame involved in the venting. In the end they just hit harder.

Now assuming that I am right my question is which would be the best batteries to buy for the Reo and the Reo only? I see mostly the AW IMR 18650/14500 in Red are those the best? Are there any other/better 6v bats then the blue no name bats that you find on lighthound and all the other sites? - The best batteries of any kind (Lithium Ion protected, or high drain) are the AW batteries, in any size. They are produced with greater quality control, last me much longer = more cycles, and never have let me down. As for the 6v batteries, I favor the Tenergy 3.2v cr123's. They are lifepo4 batteries, or lithium phosphate, which is also a safer chemistry than lithium ion, and thus need no protection circuit. They like the high drain (LIMN) batteries, are also a bit better at providing greater amperage, and are safe for stacking (3.2 +3.2 = 6.4V). The Lifepo4 batteries require a charger that maxes at 3.0v, or 3.2v, and you can usually find a kit with a charger and 6 batteries for around $26-$30.Hope that helped a bit....

 

[tybin]

aw and redilast batteries

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

Well,..I can't answer your question about 6v because I don't do 6v. The red AW IMR batteries have so far been considered the best for 3.7v. These are the high drain you're speaking of. ltrainer did a comparrison that showed the IMRs to hold a higher voltage over time than the protected ones. Or conversely, less voltage droop as Technonut would put it. I'm no battery expert for the same reasons you aren't. The red AW IMRs are the recommended battery for these mods because of the safety ratings. Speaking from personal experience, the AW IMRs are way better than the BDL IMRs. In fact, a UF/TF protected battery is way better than a BDL IMR! Those who know, will understand. Don't waste your money on BDLs trying to save some money, you won't be happy with the performance. I have mini REOs and I run both the red AW IMR 14500s and the black AW 750mah 14500 batteries.

 

[want to quit]

Thanks for the input everyone so AW are also the AW "IMR"? Or should I just buy some that say only AW without the IMR? And where is the best place to go for these batteries? I went to a couple including lighthound and ordered a AW IMR 18650 in red and when it came in the mail it was a black silver 18650 no clue if there is a difference but point is since you use reps longer and have longer experience which place is the best to go for the batteries you mentioned?

Thanks a lot

 

[want to quit]

Haha you just answered my questions in my second post before I even posted it +1 for you thanks a bunch.

Well,..I can't answer your question about 6v because I don't do 6v. The red AW IMR batteries have so far been considered the best for 3.7v. These are the high drain you're speaking of. ltrainer did a comparrison that showed the IMRs to hold a higher voltage over time than the protected ones. Or conversely, less voltage droop as Technonut would put it. I'm no battery expert for the same reasons you aren't. The red AW IMRs are the recommended battery for these mods because of the safety ratings. Speaking from personal experience, the AW IMRs are way better than the BDL IMRs. In fact, a UF/TF protected battery is way better than a BDL IMR! Those who know, will understand. Don't waste your money on BDLs trying to save some money, you won't be happy with the performance. I have mini REOs and I run both the red AW IMR 14500s and the black AW 750mah 14500 batteries.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

You can use the black ones too...but they're not the high drain IMRs. They are the protected batteries. everyone has their favorite place to shop...we use lighthound, but I see lots of folks talking about Overready, RTD, and Wonderlite. Bummer is that there is a shortage of the IMRs right now. If you got the blacks when you ordered the reds, it wouldn't hurt to address that with your supplier.
BTW...i say all this based upon the comments made by veteran vapers in our sub-forum. Just thought I'd clarify that since I've already admitted I'm no expert.

 

[Mudflap]

What I learned about batteries and have shared:

The red label AW IMR batteries are made with a Lithium Manganese chemistry instead of Lithium Cobalt (Li-ion), a more volatile cathode material with a higher resistance to the flow of ions, resulting in heat buildup. It is best to use Li-ion cells with separate built in protection circuit (PCB).

Advantages of AW IMR batteries:

• Has much higher discharge rate of 10-15C (for 18650 cells that's 15-20 Amps output). It should be charged at 1-2C (1.5 to 3.0 Amps).
• Higher 3.7/3.8V nominal, charging up to 4.2V
• Won't explode or catch fire if overcharged or short-circuited

They work better with low resistance attys. If the PCB in a Li-ion battery fails to work properly, Li-ion batteries could potentially go boom.

5V & 6V vaping is fine too, but you have to use appropriate attys. I'd not go lower than 3.0 Ω myself. It's all about delivering the amount of wattage to your atomizer that works best for your preferences.

Check out the Candle Power Forums for loads of further info. I hope that helps.

 

[mrjaguar]

aw and redilast batteries

the redilast are panasonic ncr18650 with protection circuits. the AW are apparently the same thing too, but I haven't seen definitive proof of that yet.

 

[CatMommy]

So does any battery labeled "IMR"=high drain???

I guess tonight is the night for people with a lot of battery questions...Sorry...

 

[Mudflap]

So does any battery labeled "IMR"=high drain???

I guess tonight is the night for people with a lot of battery questions...Sorry...

Yes. Avoid the BDL brand, though.

No apology is necessary for asking questions here. We all started out the same way and are still learning from each other all the time.

 

[CatMommy]

Sweet Jesus, I'm going to have to get a notepad and start taking notes. Thank You Mudflap...I appreciate the kindness and knowledge of everyone here.

 

[Mudflap]

Sweet Jesus, I'm going to have to get a notepad and start taking notes. Thank You Mudflap...I appreciate the kindness and knowledge of everyone here.

Heh heh! Just get a few AW IMR (red wrapper) batteries in whatever size you need for your mod, a decent charger, and you're all set. Unless you're like me and can't be satisfied with a particular atty, carto, or juice flavor for more than a few hours at a time.

 

[CatMommy]

Yeah...I have that problem as well. I'm all over the place myself right now which is why I'm looking for better batteries and a bottom feeder. My HOPE is to get a Woodvil and try some LR attys at 3.7v. I'm vaping 5v right now...(if that is indeed what I'm getting out of these batts...who knows since I didn't really think I needed a voltmeter...LOL). Regardless, I'm kind of unsatisfied at the moment and looking to change that.

 

[Angler]

I don't know how to put a thread from this forum on here so you can just click it so I will just write it. Go to: NEW*AW Battery Importers & Exporters of America* (Shipping Worldwide) in the E Cigarette Suppliers Forum. The guys ECF handle is "Wonderlite" and he know's more about batteries and chargers than anybody on this forum, to my knowledge. Read the first page (at least) and if you still have questions he usually answers them promptly. He's a good guy and will be glad to help you out with all your concerns. Rechargable batteries and chargers should be understood before use and this guy understands them. He also has great prices!

I don't usually reccomend suppliers but I just feel it important for people to understand how to safely use and charge batteries. Also, as Mudflap said, check out Candle Power Forums. Those flashlight guy's have been doing this stuff for decades!

 

[mlinky]

Also, there is an excellent reference thread here on ECF. Everyone who owns a mod should read this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html

 

[want to quit]

Thanks everyone for the input. MWA told me a lot about batteries and the likes but there are so many on the market it is hard to really know 100% which are the best to buy. Once again thanks everyone at least 3 I have are IMR guess I have to do some more shipping again.

 

[redheadone]

some one was asking about where to get the AW IMR 145000 batteries and I can think of several right off hand I don't prefer one over the other just giving you names of places to look. RTDvavor has them along with Lighthound and SuperTManufacturing I beleive someone said that avid vapor had them but don't hold me to that one. I have heard that the AW IMR is in short supply right now and these places are out of stock but if they are just keep checking the website I am sure they will be restocked soon. There are too many reo users out there(me included) LOL for them not to be

 

[CatMommy]

Also, as Mudflap said, check out Candle Power Forums. Those flashlight guy's have been doing this stuff for decades!

Thanks Want to Quit for starting this thread and thanks everyone else for all the informative resources.
The funny thing is that I did end up on the Candle Power Forum after doing some googling, but I didn't research much there since I thought the ECF members would have a better understanding because of the "load" under which we use our batteries. I did bookmark that forum so I will definitely go back and read. Thank You!