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jimmyh

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Its the Tiamat Plus, I am using 32 wire, ss mesh. I used a nail that matched the hole, wrapped my coil 4/5 times. With the coil still on nail attached neg., then positive. I removed the nail and slid the wick down in keeping it away from bottom. Did a couple second dry run, then wet wick and tested at 3 volts. Hot spot at top coil, tried adjusting other coils but no help. Only 1 time I did get it to work and it only lasted a little over an hour and then hot spot top coil.
 

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Ive read that the ground is to far from the positive in the AGA My advise throw it in the trash and buy something decent. Or Ive seen some pople post having some success putting a small SS washer to make up the difference. Im sure there's a AGA thread you can pick up some tips good luck! It is possible my buddy MRMayhem from here has one and says he got his to work very nicely so it is possible.
 

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Make sure you get rid of the hot spots before adding liquid. I'm not sure if you did that? Also before puting the stainless steel wick in when you dry burn make sure there are no hot spots. When you roll your wick make sure it's been torched with a flame (using a butane chef's torch or a gas stove flame. I use the gas stove flame. When you roll your wick make sure it's not tight going into the hole, it needs just a touch of friction. Once the wick is placed between the coil and down the tank don't let the wick touch the bottom of the tank. Get rid of all hot spots before putting liquid on the wick and/or the tank.
Stay with it you'll get it. It took me some time to get it. It's easy to get frustrated. If you do get frustrated just put it down and go back to it when you feel like working on it. Good luck, once you get it I think you like the flavor, vapor and throat hit you'll get from a well set up Gensis. I have the AGA-T+ and I've been using 32ga Kanthal A1 5/4 wrape and get around 2.1 ohms.
 
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I have both the aga-t and aga-t+.... they both have hotspot issues at the top. The aga-t+ is a tad better, but not much.

Here is what I do... no added washers or anything...

Roll 40x60mm on a small paperclip
Use a 7/64th drill bit (or similar) and make your coil. I tend to do 4/5 32awg Kanthal A-1. Make sure you torch your coil prior to wrapping, it will clean it off and also draw out any slack naturally in the wire. Also easier to wrap imho.
Fit the coil and attach the negative and positive.
I do the loopback method. So if my coil naturally sits on the left of the ground...I wrap it around the right.
I do the same on the positive... if the coil naturally comes to the left side of the positive....I wrap it around the right side back toward the left.. I feel this takes up a small amount of slack on the coil and helps.
So if you wrap your coil clockwise around the bit....wrap it counter-clockwise around the ground/positive.
Some dont do this...but I prefer it.
Dry burn your coil without the wick in it. 3 or 4 short bursts at low voltage. Up the voltage..couple more bursts.
This will help stiffen the coil....but with 32awg it doesnt do a ton.
Now test fit the wick. Roll it until it fits snuggly. You shouldnt have to force it into the coil. Nor should it just drop in.
You should be able to gently twist it into the coil....or place it in and tap it to get it inside the tank.
I generally will gently twist it in, then when it is set.....twist the opposite way just a little. I feel this opens up the wick, or unwinds it to fit better inside the coil.
Now I will dry burn and test for hotspots without liquid. Im looking to get the coils all firing red about the same.
Once the do...I drop a few drops onto the wick...and keep firing.
Keep working at it... at low voltage. Once you do not see any hotspots..up the voltage some...and re wet the wick.
Keep doing this until you get your voltage up to where you like it, and you do not see any hotspots.
Fill your tank about 3/4 full if its a brand new wick/coil. I feel this little extra air pocket helps get that new setup working better.
After a tank or two...fill it full.

Another method is without the drill bit. I had to use this one at first until I could work the hotspots.
Make your wick. 40x60mm is what I like. Then buy some cig rolling paper. Old orange package Zig Zags work fine, or similar.
Cut a very small piece. maybe 4x4mm.... something small. And wrap that cig paper around the tip of your wick.
Use vg or pg on the cig paper to help hold it down to the wick.
Wrap your coils directly ontop of the cig paper....and roll semi tight. Do not kink the wick....but roll tight.
Insert your wick/coil and tighten down....use whatever method you want...but I still prefer the reverse loopback.
Now.... adjust your coils to look neat or whatever, and dry burn on low volts.
You are trying to burn the cig paper off.....and what happens is it will leave a very small amount of composite or whatever just under your coils....the rest burns off. This will help with hotspots....its an extra layer.

The downfall of cig paper to me.... if your not carefull you can put too much on and get it around the area of your wick that goes into the tank.... so try to scrape that off or only cut enough to where it hits the coil and not below the coil.

If I am out and about.....I use the cig paper method. Its fast. With more time/tools I use the drill bit method. Depends where I am.
 
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No matter what I do, I keep getting hot spots on the top coil from wick to post. I tried bringing it close, bending a l, counter wrapping it, watching more videos. The only thing that has worked for me is the cotton method. The first time I tried it and it worked flawlessly. Can some one explain why? Could the hot spot be caused by the way I roll my wick? All I know is it took about 2 minutes to put together and it works great.
 

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That's where I usually get the hot spot when first setting up the coil with 32 ga Kanthal. With my APV set at 3V and firing for a few seconds I'll try "dabbing" or moving the top coil lightly. I do this with the unit firing and not firing until the hot spot has gone away. This can take as little as a few seconds to several minutes until the problem goes away. The key is to have the time and patience. Step away if you start getting too frustrated. The hot spot I believe due to the top coil shorting onto the wick. Make sure the wick is oxidized enough to create an electrical barier between it and the coil. Also try getting the wick as close to the positive post as posible without touching. Don't wrap the coil tight around the wick but just enough to touch the wick. Once the hot spot is gone then put the APV to around 3.2V and repeat the above process. Remember to keep checking the ohms of the coil the reading should stay constant. If you have about 4/3 or 5/4 turns (depending on the diameter of the wick) on the coil with 32 ga Kanthal you should be getting around 2 ohms and reading should be steady (not over the place).
I'm glad to see that the cotton threading works for you. I may try that method as well if I don't have the time to fiddle with the wick.
 
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That isn't the case on the newer ones. The problem is something I am doing wrong. Beside, this is brand new, I am sure with a little practice I will get it working properly.

I understand with the newer ones have the same problem not close enough...I have heard the washer thing helped the top hot spot and also a lot of people are tilting the wick towards the center post. Give it a shot...I know it has worked with a lot of people.
 

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I finally got a coil and wick to work!!! Its 3.2 ohms though. Right now I will take it. The coil was wrapped around a nail, and I reheated my wick with my torch. I wish I knew what I did differently this time versus the other 15 tries.LOL How long should a wick and coil last under normal use.
3.2 ohms, thats kind of high, but if it works for you it good. it seems like you have tried all of this on the drill bit method, i am not completely sold on this, sometimes i think the wick can be to loose in this method. if you are still tinkering, try just oxidizing you wick really good and put it into the device and just coil it, snuggly. also a lower gauge wire will create a lower chance of shorts. this is worth a try if your not having any luck with your current way.
 
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