The iHybrid APV - A fully Customizable Genesis

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So is the Noalox stuff safe to use to lubricate SS threads as well or just aluminum? Can you use it on brass contacts as well?

I wouldn't don't use Noalox for SS (unles its SS on Alu). Its meant for Alu.

I'm still a firm believer in vaseline for SS.

Only thing I hate about Noalox is that you need to clean it up every few weeks. I usually do it once a week or it'll dry up and leave gunky stuff in the threads.

Has anybody tried No-ox-id yet?
 
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Works great on SS. ProVape recommends it for their bottom caps etc. Lots of other places recommend it for SS.

If you use a very small amount you never have to clean it out. I've not once had to clean out Noalox out of threads that didn't get too much in them. In fact I metered a GGTS before and after Noalox'ing the threads....the current flow jumped substantially after Noalox was applied.

Only time I've ever cleaned it was when I was incidentally cleaning other stuff out of threads and the Noalox went with it.
 

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Works great on SS. ProVape recommends it for their bottom caps etc. Lots of other places recommend it for SS.

If you use a very small amount you never have to clean it out. I've not once had to clean out Noalox out of threads that didn't get too much in them. In fact I metered a GGTS before and after Noalox'ing the threads....the current flow jumped substantially after Noalox was applied.

Only time I've ever cleaned it was when I was incidentally cleaning other stuff out of threads and the Noalox went with it.

Thought all Provape mods had aluminium in them so Noalox would work on it.

I meant for all SS, noalox doesn't do much. Not sure if its changed but I remember Imeo from GG recommending vaseline over noalox.

Edit: Found the thread.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/73603-noalox-8.html

Post is half-way down.

It shouldn't increase current flow since there's nothing in the stuff to do so.

For your GGTS have you tried Noaloaxing, measuring the current. Wiping off the Noalox and measuring again? I have a feeling it might be similar.

Noalox acts like a micro sandpaper so it might be polishing off some oxide on your GGTS.
 
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You could be right evilferret, it might indeed be aluminum. I hadn't picked up a Provari for a while just recalled how heavy the bottom cap is and assumed it wasn't aluminum.

I haven't tried it in reverse and again you could be correct. I know when my new batch of GGTS's came I cleaned them thoroughly with 99 percent, put them together with a fresh battery and measured the current. I can't recall the exact number but I thought it was a little low for a relatively unloaded battery that was freshly charged. I ripped it apart worked all the threads with Noalox, re-measured, and it was near perfect. They remain so to this day without any additional thread cleaning.

Did the Noalox get something I missed with the alcohol and regular cleaning? Maybe. I just know it's been working very well. I know Imeo recommends vaseline but I don't like it.

Noalox IS conductive, it contains zinc particles which are conductive. It also helps ensure good contact by bridging any small gaps in the threads. So yes, it does increase current flow by providing a conductive bridge between any small gaps in the threads.
 

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You could be right evilferret, it might indeed be aluminum. I hadn't picked up a Provari for a while just recalled how heavy the bottom cap is and assumed it wasn't aluminum.

I haven't tried it in reverse and again you could be correct. I know when my new batch of GGTS's came I cleaned them thoroughly with 99 percent, put them together with a fresh battery and measured the current. I can't recall the exact number but I thought it was a little low for a relatively unloaded battery that was freshly charged. I ripped it apart worked all the threads with Noalox, re-measured, and it was near perfect. They remain so to this day without any additional thread cleaning.

Did the Noalox get something I missed with the alcohol and regular cleaning? Maybe. I just know it's been working very well. I know Imeo recommends vaseline but I don't like it.

Noalox IS conductive, it contains zinc particles which are conductive. It also helps ensure good contact by bridging any small gaps in the threads. So yes, it does increase current flow by providing a conductive bridge between any small gaps in the threads.

I only found the zinc to add in conductivity when I overloaded the threads with Noalox. With the recommended dab, I never really noticed a current increase.

Actually I might have to try this now with more Noalox.

Oh if you have indoor dogs like me, it might be their hair. I always seem to get a few of their hairs in my threading when I was going bare metal.

Noalox did seem to help with that until I started using compressed air as a final step before assembling my mods.
 
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I use it, but not as a thread lubricant. I use it on the positive & beneficiary negative battery contacts. And if you ever use it, remember, less is more.

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How is it? I've been thinking of getting some!

Does it help? Was thinking of using it for the brass contacts on the iHy.
 
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I like it a lot. Lorderos33 recommended it. Zen doesn't. I was having trouble with my Mini. Short battery life, weak hits... Did a full teardown & cleaning w/no-ox-id... Mack truck!

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Guess I need to try it.

It seemed interesting since its "safer" than Noalox.
 

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It really depends on the quality of the mod threads as well evil.

I have a Genesis that shall remain nameless *cough* Katana *cough*. Ooops. That one has shall we say, not excellent threading. Unlike the iHybrid and GG stuff that have really nice threads the difference on that mod was night and day after I gave the threads a treatment. Same coil, same wick, same battery. It just became a completely different animal.

I just do it mostly out of habit now. Between the anti-corrosive properties and any minimal help it provides it's a small and hassle free step that just helps keep everything in good working order.
 

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Guess I need to try it.

It seemed interesting since its "safer" than Noalox.

It does lubricate, but is primarily a conduct enhancer. I used it on the positive & negative posts in the battery tube, and on the switch threads. A little goes a long way. I have a lifetimes worth and if I could figure out how to send it, I'd send you some.

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I think a lot of stuff we do is just based on personal experience and knowledge. Some people are giant Noalox fans, some like other products like vaseline.

I go against the grain on a lot of stuff based on my own personal research and level of comfort. We all kind of have to do that since this is an industry in it's infancy that's somewhat unregulated. I don't like putting vaseline on threads and I don't like putting it on o-rings that sit in juice I'm vaping even though it's recommended. I don't use silica wick either. A lot of manufacturer's use it, say it's fine, say it's approved. My research tells me something different, as what it's approved for isn't the exactly the purpose it's being used for in vaping. At the end of the day the lungs cannot expel small particles of silica. It's simply impossible. I've looked at a used wick out of my own devices and made a decision to use something different.

There are two extremely popular Genesis devices that have a bunch of brass in the atomizer chamber. To me that seems counter intuitive, we are all about the stainless steels and food grade stuff but we are ok with brass? Brass is reactive, brass contains lead. I'm not a tin foil hat wearing kind of guy but common sense would dictate that posts/nuts turning green(reacting) in a genesis vapor chamber isn't a great thing. Again, I decided I wasn't going to use them. Personal choice based on what I believe is happening. Maybe it's fine, maybe there is no lead being released. I prefer to get my lead from Salmon :D

When I looked at the iHybrid I was personally extremely comfortable with the design and features. Loved the top chamber. Loved the fused quartz. Love the fact that in some sort of catastrophic battery even it has that ability to vent through the switch. Thought it was a good design and I simply haven't put it down yet :)
 

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I think a lot of stuff we do is just based on personal experience and knowledge. Some people are giant Noalox fans, some like other products like vaseline.

I go against the grain on a lot of stuff based on my own personal research and level of comfort. We all kind of have to do that since this is an industry in it's infancy that's somewhat unregulated. I don't like putting vaseline on threads and I don't like putting it on o-rings that sit in juice I'm vaping even though it's recommended. I don't use silica wick either. A lot of manufacturer's use it, say it's fine, say it's approved. My research tells me something different, as what it's approved for isn't the exactly the purpose it's being used for in vaping. At the end of the day the lungs cannot expel small particles of silica. It's simply impossible. I've looked at a used wick out of my own devices and made a decision to use something different.

There are two extremely popular Genesis devices that have a bunch of brass in the atomizer chamber. To me that seems counter intuitive, we are all about the stainless steels and food grade stuff but we are ok with brass? Brass is reactive, brass contains lead. I'm not a tin foil hat wearing kind of guy but common sense would dictate that posts/nuts turning green(reacting) in a genesis vapor chamber isn't a great thing. Again, I decided I wasn't going to use them. Personal choice based on what I believe is happening. Maybe it's fine, maybe there is no lead being released. I prefer to get my lead from Salmon :D

When I looked at the iHybrid I was personally extremely comfortable with the design and features. Loved the top chamber. Loved the fused quartz. Love the fact that in some sort of catastrophic battery even it has that ability to vent through the switch. Thought it was a good design and I simply haven't put it down yet :)

Not knockin ya and to a certain extent I agree that using what little knowledge we have to understand what we're putting in our bodies is a good thing. What I do find odd is that while we were smoking we knowingly put all kinds of crap in our bodies and all of a sudden we start vaping and it becomes such a concern. Personally I'm happy and confident that vaping is healthier than smoking.
 

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Not knockin ya and to a certain extent I agree that using what little knowledge we have to understand what we're putting in our bodies is a good thing. What I do find odd is that while we were smoking we knowingly put all kinds of crap in our bodies and all of a sudden we start vaping and it becomes such a concern. Personally I'm happy and confident that vaping is healthier than smoking.

Yes...that is all correct.

However, understand that I quit smoking so I could stop putting toxins in my body. So I'm pretty careful what I vape and what I vape it with. I want to understand what I'm doing to myself because with cigarettes no one will actually disclose what the 4000+ chemicals are. I get that nicotine is still a chemical but I'm OK with it :D
 

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It does lubricate, but is primarily a conduct enhancer. I used it on the positive & negative posts in the battery tube, and on the switch threads. A little goes a long way. I have a lifetimes worth and if I could figure out how to send it, I'd send you some.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

I am in no way an expert on any of this, and this isn't directed towards you grruss.... I just picked yours to quote.

From what I understand from all I've read, a good mechanical mod doesn't "need" any cream conductive anything.
A good mechanical mod. There are some out there that would benefit from it.

I will, now and then, use vaseline on threads, but just try to keep them clean instead.

With both products, noalox and no-ox-id, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't they primarily to prevent oxidation?
I also believe they both have small amounts of conductive something or other?

I just think, if you're using a well made PV, you shouldn't "need" either product to make it work well.

I go by the color of my juice, regardless of all that is said about sugar caramelizing.
If I manage to get rid of ALL shorts, I don't get dark juice at all.
If it hits good, tastes good, but I still get darkening, I've missed something and check again after the tank is empty.

Just my non-techy two cents.
 

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I am in no way an expert on any of this, and this isn't directed towards you grruss.... I just picked yours to quote.

From what I understand from all I've read, a good mechanical mod doesn't "need" any cream conductive anything.
A good mechanical mod. There are some out there that would benefit from it.

I will, now and then, use vaseline on threads, but just try to keep them clean instead.

With both products, noalox and no-ox-id, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't they primarily to prevent oxidation?
I also believe they both have small amounts of conductive something or other?

I just think, if you're using a well made PV, you shouldn't "need" either product to make it work well.

I go by the color of my juice, regardless of all that is said about sugar caramelizing.
If I manage to get rid of ALL shorts, I don't get dark juice at all.
If it hits good, tastes good, but I still get darkening, I've missed something and check again after the tank is empty.

Just my non-techy two cents.

Not sure on Noalox. Never used it. I know that No-Ox-Id is primarily a contact enhancer. And, while I agree it shouldn't be needed, if it improves my vaping experience and I'm convinced there are no safety issues, I am using it.

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Yes...that is all correct.

However, understand that I quit smoking so I could stop putting toxins in my body. So I'm pretty careful what I vape and what I vape it with. I want to understand what I'm doing to myself because with cigarettes no one will actually disclose what the 4000+ chemicals are. I get that nicotine is still a chemical but I'm OK with it :D

I do understand and that's why I said to a point I agree with you. I just don't let it keep me up at night. Truth is that we'll all be dead and gone before we all really know what effect vaping has on us. We're the proverbial guinea pigs here. Enough from me.
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Wow, thanks Elfstone! That will be helpful! I will try to do the same thing since someone mentioned it earlier (I think it was evilferret).

Speechless! That's... like... actual work you put in there, and terribly useful, too!

I changed the link in my signature to point to your file...

Thanks!
 
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