The iHybrid APV - A fully Customizable Genesis

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I think someone was asking about the poldiac, i dont think the synth will work on it w/out a 510, the top peice is the button like the roller.


• sent from a janky iphone 5 :(

Jim made it so the button can be put on the bottom .
The diameter is 22.6 but I don't know if that's inside or outside.
 

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Look, that's legitimate, although I think it has become a little exaggerated over time.

Pluid doesn't glow and doesn't make your tongue numb. It doesn't eat through materials that 'fragile', but rather targets certain chemically unstable plastics that shouldn't be used to store foodstuffs anyway. It doesn't eat through paper, for instance, or through plastics that are recommended for use with chemicals and foods, such as HDPE or PP (as far as I know).

BUT:

I.

My problem with ALL commercial e-liquids, Pluid included, is that they don't come with a list of ingredients. Well, most... You can obtain such a list for Dekang liquids and from V2 Cigs, probably others but these are the ones I know.

Do you realize that no other consumer product intended for ingestion or inhalation shares this... mystery?

So, you know, even before AEMSA, I always said one should be worried about inhaling stuff that has no lab tests and no ingredient list behind.

That's why I went DIY.

II.

We know, actually know, that the basic ingredients of e-liquid - nicotine, PG and glycerin - are safe. So, then, the only way you can really tell yourself that you are doing a reasonably safe thing is if you vape unflavored. The next best thing is to add a little menthol - it is one of the few flavorants out there that has extensively been used for inhalation and is generally safe-ish.

The more flavorful an e-liquid, the more unknowns are added to the equation. LOTS of pre-mixed contain multiple flavorants which are complex molecules and many other additives - sweeteners, stabilizers, colorants, ethanol, PEG, and so forth. While one can hope (again, no ingredient lists) the vendors actually only use food grade / GRAS substances, we have NO CLUE what such substances do when inhaled rather than ingested. We do know that some sweeteners do break down when heated and release carcinogens and pro-inflammtory molecules and so forth. We don't know the amounts that make it into the inhaled vapor. But we do know that some such exposures often do not have a linear exposure-risk profile.

We also know that to be dangerous, a substance doesn't have to manifest specific physical properties. No, all poisons do not turn silver black. The opposite is also true - not all things that may corrode certain materials are dangerous just because of that fact.

III.

Polycarbonate and certain LDPEs and other plastics should not be used for vaping.

We know that they leech into liquids based on the pH. A lot of juices, in fact probably MOST commercial juices have a relatively low pH. We also know that PG is a very good solvent and should be kept away from anything it can dissolve at low pH. So Pluid aside, no one should still be selling polycarbonate tanks!

Some vendor who specifically targeted Pluid for their attacks, was also boasting that their tank material is bullet proof. However, that material is not even close to acid / corrosion proof. That just goes to show what kind of cognitively impaired people make and sell vaping gear...

Again, there are a lot of unknowns, but one should always apply a rule of thumb - if a certain material is recommended for storage of laboratory reactants, then it is possibly safe for vaping. Otherwise, not. Period.


What I really am trying to say is Pluid has been singled out for reasons that do not make entirely a lot of sense, but the same reasons could make sense in urging a little more caution with all / most e-liquids and with many storage and vaping implements. And my opinion, which is probably very unpopular, is that until and unless e-liquids are subject to at least the same standards as foodstuffs and beverages this discussion is going nowhere.

I think inquiry and caution should NEVER be stifled. On the other hand, it is a bit unfair to ask Murdock to release his birth certificate ingredients while no other vendor has to.

Elfstone, I love you. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can rant like you. And, I know it wasn't really a rant, but if you were a woman, I'd want you bad.

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Look, that's legitimate, although I think it has become a little exaggerated over time.

Pluid doesn't glow and doesn't make your tongue numb. It doesn't eat through materials that 'fragile', but rather targets certain chemically unstable plastics that shouldn't be used to store foodstuffs anyway. It doesn't eat through paper, for instance, or through plastics that are recommended for use with chemicals and foods, such as HDPE or PP (as far as I know).

BUT:

I.

My problem with ALL commercial e-liquids, Pluid included, is that they don't come with a list of ingredients. Well, most... You can obtain such a list for Dekang liquids and from V2 Cigs, probably others but these are the ones I know.

Do you realize that no other consumer product intended for ingestion or inhalation shares this... mystery?

So, you know, even before AEMSA, I always said one should be worried about inhaling stuff that has no lab tests and no ingredient list behind.

That's why I went DIY.

II.

We know, actually know, that the basic ingredients of e-liquid - nicotine, PG and glycerin - are safe. So, then, the only way you can really tell yourself that you are doing a reasonably safe thing is if you vape unflavored. The next best thing is to add a little menthol - it is one of the few flavorants out there that has extensively been used for inhalation and is generally safe-ish.

The more flavorful an e-liquid, the more unknowns are added to the equation. LOTS of pre-mixed contain multiple flavorants which are complex molecules and many other additives - sweeteners, stabilizers, colorants, ethanol, PEG, and so forth. While one can hope (again, no ingredient lists) the vendors actually only use food grade / GRAS substances, we have NO CLUE what such substances do when inhaled rather than ingested. We do know that some sweeteners do break down when heated and release carcinogens and pro-inflammtory molecules and so forth. We don't know the amounts that make it into the inhaled vapor. But we do know that some such exposures often do not have a linear exposure-risk profile.

We also know that to be dangerous, a substance doesn't have to manifest specific physical properties. No, all poisons do not turn silver black. The opposite is also true - not all things that may corrode certain materials are dangerous just because of that fact.

III.

Polycarbonate and certain LDPEs and other plastics should not be used for vaping.

We know that they leech into liquids based on the pH. A lot of juices, in fact probably MOST commercial juices have a relatively low pH. We also know that PG is a very good solvent and should be kept away from anything it can dissolve at low pH. So Pluid aside, no one should still be selling polycarbonate tanks!

Some vendor who specifically targeted Pluid for their attacks, was also boasting that their tank material is bullet proof. However, that material is not even close to acid / corrosion proof. That just goes to show what kind of cognitively impaired people make and sell vaping gear...

Again, there are a lot of unknowns, but one should always apply a rule of thumb - if a certain material is recommended for storage of laboratory reactants, then it is possibly safe for vaping. Otherwise, not. Period.


What I really am trying to say is Pluid has been singled out for reasons that do not make entirely a lot of sense, but the same reasons could make sense in urging a little more caution with all / most e-liquids and with many storage and vaping implements. And my opinion, which is probably very unpopular, is that until and unless e-liquids are subject to at least the same standards as foodstuffs and beverages this discussion is going nowhere.

I think inquiry and caution should NEVER be stifled. On the other hand, it is a bit unfair to ask Murdock to release his birth certificate ingredients while no other vendor has to.

Well that was quite informative. And it definitely makes me want to switch to DIY. Something I've been wanting to do for a while. But I feel these issues need to be addressed by this community before the headlines about juice killing people end this whole experiment. But you're right the conversation is pointless until the research is done so back to regular programming!

Elfstone, I love you. No one, and I mean NO ONE, can rant like you. And, I know it wasn't really a rant, but if you were a woman, I'd want you bad.


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Lol oh grruss you crack me up.

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Anyone heard anything else about the mechanical mod top cap for the tubes that faceless was talking about a few months back?

Synthesis? They went up for sale with more on the way, you can check them out on the website

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Synthesis? They went up for sale with more on the way, you can check them out on the website

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No, this was something he mentioned apart from the synthesis. Said it was a piece to go on the iHy tubes to make it a mechanical mod... I think he also indicated this piece would be included in future iHy kits and that the price would go up slightly as a result. He even posted pics of the concept, but the link disappeared from the spreadsheet.
 

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No, this was something he mentioned apart from the synthesis. Said it was a piece to go on the iHy tubes to make it a mechanical mod... I think he also indicated this piece would be included in future iHy kits and that the price would go up slightly as a result. He even posted pics of the concept, but the link disappeared from the spreadsheet.

It's already a mechanical mod. Do you mean the 510 connector top cap?

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Just making sure...I think I know the answer to this. Is it pretty normal for flavored to be extremely muted with a new coil and wick? I'm getting tons of vapor, but hardly any flavor. Just made it ten minutes ago. 4/5 twisted 32. Wicking hellaciously good, just not tasting much...

Yes this is correct
 

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It's already a mechanical mod. Do you mean the 510 connector top cap?

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Yes, to change it from an unregulated, mechanical hybrid, to a mechanical mod capable of accepting other attys. I'm curious because I've been looking into getting a mechanical mod as a backup, but will hold off if this is still on the horizon.
 

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No, this was something he mentioned apart from the synthesis. Said it was a piece to go on the iHy tubes to make it a mechanical mod... I think he also indicated this piece would be included in future iHy kits and that the price would go up slightly as a result. He even posted pics of the concept, but the link disappeared from the spreadsheet.

Oops, misunderstood you. I'm interested in this as well so I'll help raise awareness and maybe faceless will chime in. When I visit my family I like to bring attys so I can try their juices, would be nice to finally ditch the ego twist


He's probably trying to either source the 510 connector or develop something of his own but with all the new things he's coming up with + the holidays + a sick kiddo, he's got a full plate.

Would be nice for an update though

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Don't give up on your Cobra. It takes time to "get it". I've had my 5ml Cobra for a month now and really like it. Keep with it, it's worth it.

Chuck

He's absolutely right not only isit hard to get its in a class of its own in quality and performance..the craftsmanship that went into the cobra is amazing!!!

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I absolutely love orange flavors and while I haven't tried pluid I hear it is a very complex flavor. This excites me for AO. To be honest I haven't tried pluid because I'm too afraid of it. It glows, destroys most materials less fragile than my lungs, and apparently makes your tongue numb? Is no one else concerned by these things? Should I just give in and try it? Problem is I know I will love it because I love the taste of absinthe and black licorice.

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Ill bring you a little Pluid to try when we have our HR meet up if you'd like, might cost you a brewski tho :)

Keep in mind, it wasn't too long ago we were putting tar, certain metals and a host of toxins in our lungs many times a day. The name of the game is harm reduction, and we know a lot more about this habit than the old one. Do what you are comfortable with, and if something concerns you the option to not partake in that thing is there. It's never wrong to ask questions, vendors also need to have some ability to protect their recipes too. Not sure what the happy middle is there but there is one to be found.
 
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