What are your favorite features for a vv-vw mod,and you think are the must have features?
the must have features of vv-vw mod
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I must have a screen that displays all the important stuff simultaneously: voltage, wattage, resistance, and battery life.
I will give up the all bells and whistles for Build quality/Reliabilty=Provari...
The best part is that with a Provari, you don't have to give up much of anything.
It will give you coil resistance and battery levels...also voltage up and down incrementally. I know there's a ton of hype surrounding VW, and I'm pretty new, but if I understand correctly all VW does is measure the coil resistance and set the wattage so the voltage is where the device thinks it should be.
Another simple math free way to do this with a vv device, like a provari, that I've read on ecf... measure your coil resistance, add 2 to that number , and adjust voltage to taste and the cape you want to get.
The thing with the Provari is that it does this accurately...more accurately than the Chinese built mods do. That, and the undeniable build quality along with an enormous fan base and reportedly superb customer service is exactly what caused me to order a Provari yesterday
Incident want to spend money gonna segelei zmax only to have it fail in some period of time and be out an apv and $85. With the provari I know it will be. Good for at least a year ($1405 in cigs for me) and if it breaks down after that it can be repaired. For the $1400 I would have burned up buying cigs in a year, the $200 I spent on the Provari will be paid for in 52 days. No biggie if you ask me.
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Geo
It will give you coil resistance and battery levels...also voltage up and down incrementally. I know there's a ton of hype surrounding VW, and I'm pretty new, but if I understand correctly all VW does is measure the coil resistance and set the wattage so the voltage is where the device thinks it should be.
Another simple math free way to do this with a vv device, like a provari, that I've read on ecf... measure your coil resistance, add 2 to that number , and adjust voltage to taste and the cape you want to get.
The thing with the Provari is that it does this accurately...more accurately than the Chinese built mods do. That, and the undeniable build quality along with an enormous fan base and reportedly superb customer service is exactly what caused me to order a Provari yesterday
Incident want to spend money gonna segelei zmax only to have it fail in some period of time and be out an apv and $85. With the provari I know it will be. Good for at least a year ($1405 in cigs for me) and if it breaks down after that it can be repaired. For the $1400 I would have burned up buying cigs in a year, the $200 I spent on the Provari will be paid for in 52 days. No biggie if you ask me.
Thanks,
Geo
The Sigelei Zmax V3 Telescopic and the Provari are both bell and whistle-laden APVs. I was looking at both last month when I wanted a new APV to celebrate a year without smoking.
I chose the Sigelei. Accuracy on both APVs is too close to call a difference.
The Sigelei offers 510 and eGo threading, the Provari doesn't.
The Sigelei Telescopic will handle 18350, 2x18350, 18400/18500, 18500 and 18650 batteries without expensive tube extensions or buying a separate mini model. Telescopic battery tubes means battery versatility when you want it at much less cost.
The Provari has a far better warranty, no doubt about that. As to which APV is more durable only time will tell. Anyone who says the Provari is more durable is just guessing. The Sigelei Telescopic hasn't been in use for a year.
Not all Chinese-made gear is junk. I used my Smoktech E-Power 14650 every day for 18 months. It never died. It's still my back-up rig.
With all that money I saved with the Sigelei I upgraded my battery supply, carto tank, and carto stash. I still had a lot left over.
Chinese gear will have a higher defect rate. I got around this by using the Sigelei heavily during the shorter warranty period and keeping a very critical eye on performance. I was ready to return it quickly if any problems arose. I operate on the theory that if an APV doesn't have problems during the first weeks it's usually good to go for a long while.
Besides, the Sigelei Telescopic flat top looks a lot better than a Provari.
I chose the Sigelei. Accuracy on both APVs is too close to call a difference.
The Sigelei offers 510 and eGo threading, the Provari doesn't.
The Sigelei Telescopic will handle 18350, 2x18350, 18400/18500, 18500 and 18650 batteries without expensive tube extensions or buying a separate mini model. Telescopic battery tubes means battery versatility when you want it at much less cost.
The Provari has a far better warranty, no doubt about that. As to which APV is more durable only time will tell. Anyone who says the Provari is more durable is just guessing. The Sigelei Telescopic hasn't been in use for a year.
Not all Chinese-made gear is junk. I used my Smoktech E-Power 14650 every day for 18 months. It never died. It's still my back-up rig.
With all that money I saved with the Sigelei I upgraded my battery supply, carto tank, and carto stash. I still had a lot left over.
Chinese gear will have a higher defect rate. I got around this by using the Sigelei heavily during the shorter warranty period and keeping a very critical eye on performance. I was ready to return it quickly if any problems arose. I operate on the theory that if an APV doesn't have problems during the first weeks it's usually good to go for a long while.
Besides, the Sigelei Telescopic flat top looks a lot better than a Provari.
Your description of VW is not quite right.
With VW, you set the wattage, and the device polls the coil resistance and calculates the voltage for you. That doesn't sound very impressive, but it's very convenient. Consider the steps needed to start vaping on a new atty.
ProVari:
- Attach atty.
- Check resistance: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK (13 times).
- Wait 2 seconds
- Note coil resistence.
- Add 2 to coil resistence to get rough estimate of target voltage.
- Enter Voltage Up mode: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK (5 or 7 times, depending on whether you need to adjust up or down).
- Wait 2 seconds.
- Increase voltage: CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK ... until target voltage is displayed. If you overshoot, CLICK CLICK CLICK ...
- Wait 4 seconds.
- Vape.
VW device:
- Attach atty.
- Vape.
The whole point of a regulated device is to regulate the power output. The unit of power is watts, so variable wattage just makes sense. It's more convenient and more precise. Variable voltage is antiquated and obsolete.
so the pwm of the provari much better(800hz) from the 33 hz of the most chinese mods.thats why there is no rattlesnake on the provari and vaping is much more smoother?
That's sort of true but here's an example. If I set up a genesis with a very nice and even glowing 4-turn coil I will have almost no sound at all, it also vapes very very smooth. I own a vamo. This sort of thing strongly depends on your setup.
What a VW must have in my opinion is an amp limitation above 4A. Without that I can't properly power my AGA-T.
What a VW must also have in my opinion is a quick and easy way to access any settings. Sometimes I want a slightly dry harsher vape and sometimes a full smooth one. A vamo for example does this flawlessly. I'm very tempted to buy the new telescoping Zmax but the single-button interface is holding me back.
I've had a sigelei zmax for a while now and love it. I think if you get a good one they will last a long time and are a much better buy than the provari. The only problem with them is QC but if get a good one they are the best PV's on the market today. The provari is outdated and the smoother vape debate is nonsense. I sold mine but when I had mine there was no difference in the vape. It wasn't smoother or more accurate or any of the BS you hear. That is just what the provari fanboys say to justify their waste of money and buyers remorse.
If paying $250 for a ecig kit was the worst mistake I have made in my life when buying electronics you may have point. I go over every inch of my electronics with a fine tooth come and judge them accordingly regardless of price. Try spending $3000 on a plasma TV with "flaw" inherent to the design of the panel that will not show up in normal brick and mortar display locations because of the way things are set-up in stores (fluctuating black levels). No remorse, I'm just ticked off. Bells and whistles don't make it better, and this TV has them by the truck load.
Taste really is subjective, so maybe some can't notice it. The ProVari for what ever reason does give me a smoother, cleaner vape, then any other device I have tried. Including an eVic, spinners, and any of the "33.3hz" MODs I have tried. It is giving me a better vape then the two mechs I have got to try because I have full control over the voltage output.
Taste is subjective though, so everyone may not notice it. However I do, and it is a better vape then any other device I have tried to this point can give me. The accurate part, however narrow of a margin it maybe... Thas been proven over and over again. And if I try something that gives me a better vape, believe me I will be the first to admit it.
Every PV should have a 5 amp switch especially considering the cost to provide that level of flexability is pennies. There is no reason why some models only have a 2.5 amp switch.
That I totally agree with. For what I will be using it for 3.5amps is plenty. If they added a 5amp switch though it really would increase the flexibility of the mod for a lot of people. Even though I don't need it, that really is the one thing I think all mods are lacking that don't have it.
The best part is that with a Provari, you don't have to give up much of anything.
It will give you coil resistance and battery levels...also voltage up and down incrementally. I know there's a ton of hype surrounding VW, and I'm pretty new, but if I understand correctly all VW does is measure the coil resistance and set the wattage so the voltage is where the device thinks it should be.
Another simple math free way to do this with a vv device, like a provari, that I've read on ecf... measure your coil resistance, add 2 to that number , and adjust voltage to taste and the cape you want to get.
The thing with the Provari is that it does this accurately...more accurately than the Chinese built mods do. That, and the undeniable build quality along with an enormous fan base and reportedly superb customer service is exactly what caused me to order a Provari yesterday
Incident want to spend money gonna segelei zmax only to have it fail in some period of time and be out an apv and $85. With the provari I know it will be. Good for at least a year ($1405 in cigs for me) and if it breaks down after that it can be repaired. For the $1400 I would have burned up buying cigs in a year, the $200 I spent on the Provari will be paid for in 52 days. No biggie if you ask me.
Thanks,
Geo
So you add 2 to the resistance?? So if you have a 1.5 ohm atty, it's 3.5 ohms??
I guess I have to learn more (find the link?) as I have an eGo vv coming in the mail right now! It's a lot cheaper ($32) but I don't have $200+ to spend right now....some day soon hopefully.
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So you add 2 to the resistance?? So if you have a 1.5 ohm atty, it's 3.5 ohms??
I guess I have to learn more (find the link?) as I have an eGo vv coming in the mail right now! It's a lot cheaper ($32) but I don't have $200+ to spend right now....some day soon hopefully.
-JS
It's a math trick to approximate 8W, so it only works if you happen to prefer about 8W.
You add 2 to the resistance to get the voltage.
When heating a coil, it's the power that matters, not voltage. So to calculate the power,
P = V2/R
For R = 1.5Ω, V = 3.5V, P = 3.52/1.5 ≈ 8.2W
For R = 3.0Ω, V = 5.0V, P = 5.02/3.0 ≈ 8.3W
With VV, even with this math trick, you'll have to periodically check your coil's resistance, and then do the math and adjust your device accordingly.
With VW, a microcontroller automatically does the detection and calculation for you, from start to finish. You simply attach your device, set your power output and vape. No math, no tricks, no charts, and no apps required. And it works perfectly whether you prefer 7W, 8W, 9W, or whatever.
VW is better than VV, like GPS is better than paper maps.
My perfect mod would be precisely built to avoid any reliability issues. It would have a Dna 20 chip set, be VV/VW, have a 5 amp limit, be threaded to take any tank or atty, and have a 3 button interface. An OLED screen would display true voltage under load as well as wattage settings and battery life. I'd also like it to be able to use all common battery types (18650, 18340 ect...). This mod would be telescoping and with an added extension would be able to take 2 18650 batteries (of course it'll have the ability to run 2 18340 batteries also). It would come in many colors, with custom colors and options available. My perfect mod would be offered as a full kit or you could buy the the standard mod without the dual 18650 option. Either kits would include a good charger and 2 batteries of your choice. Included also with the kits would be a case to hold the mod, an extra battery, two juice containers and two tanks.
But the best part? It would all cost less then $100. Hey, I can dream can't I? Lol!
But the best part? It would all cost less then $100. Hey, I can dream can't I? Lol!
While I don't own a Provari or a zmax, I have used them both to decide about my next mod purchase. The Provari is much better in every way. The owner of both of these lent them to me for a week. He had to send the Zmax back twice to get a replacement because the first one stopped working 4 days after he received it, and the fire button of the second one failed after eleven days. Both were manufacturing defects according to the vendor. His new one, at the time of my testing, was 37 days old (he was keeping track of how long he had owned all of his Zmax's because of the warranty) was already having some problems with the button firing (Btw- All 3 he has received have had crooked screens also).He'll probably be sending this one back soon. Each time he's sent it back its cost him about $6. So he will have spent just about $18 in shipping for returns. The mods original cost was $70. Add in the cost of shipping that he's paid to return them and you come out with $88. $88 dollars for a ZmaxV3 that's been sent back 3 times is unacceptable. (I've added in the third shipping charge because I know he's going to be sending it back next week as I just sent him a txt and he confirmed this for me).
His Provari, on the other hand, has worked without failure, right out of the box for more than 10 months. What does that tell you? Did he just get a "good Provari" and "3 bad Zmax's"? I hardly think so.
The majority of Provari owners experience the same reliability. And, it seems, that many Zmax owners experience the same type of reliability of their product.
Buying a Zmax is like swimming in a thunder storm. Maybe you won't get hit by lightning...
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I find it odd that so many people have so much trouble with so many devices that have worked flawlessly for me. Vamo, Zmax, Viva Nova, Spinners, T3, Protank,, AGA's AGI, mind boggling, I must be the only one out there who gets good products the first time.
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