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The MVA limits in my ratings tables are not a number to use for vaping!

Discussion in 'Batteries and Chargers' started by Mooch, Dec 13, 2017.

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  1. Mooch

    Mooch Electron Wrangler Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 13, 2015
    They are meant only to give you an idea of the risk if a battery is accidentally discharged at beyond its continuous current rating when vaping. You should not consider them as a rating for the battery that you can vape at!

    If properly used the MVA limit can help increase our safety. But it has been misused by too many.

    Safety is important and must guide us in the recommendations we make. I have decided to remove the MVA limit numbers from my tables and ask that everyone delete any tables they have now and download the new ones that are available. See the links below.

    Please do not post or distribute any earlier version of these tables.
    Please delete any earlier version of these tables you might have posted.
    Please do not recommend the MVA limit as an acceptable vaping level.

    I ask this with all the sincerity and urgency that I can muster...please.

    Our community is under increased scrutiny and battery and vaping hardware (atomizer and device) regulations/standards are now being discussed and written...very severe ones. I am not allowed to discuss some of what I've learned but it could be bad. We must set a good example and self-regulate our community as best as we can. I cannot emphasize too strongly the importance of this.

    I realize that many are vaping at discharge levels considerably above the continuous discharge rating (CDR) of their batteries and have done so without incident. But that doesn't mean it's done without risk.

    Giving the community the tools and data we need to pick the best battery is very important to me though. I have a way to replace the pulse testing I do now. These new tests can be used to directly compare how hard one battery hits versus another and which is the better performer. It will simplify my testing too.

    Many battery wrapping companies sell batteries with ratings that are considerably higher than the battery's true ratings. This is an issue I will continue to devote a lot of my time to.

    I realize that many of you will be upset at these changes. I'm not doing this to piss off the high power vapers. :) You will still have the tools you need to pick the best performing battery. I will post about this soon.

    But I can only recommend to our community that we never exceed the continuous current rating (CDR) of any battery. These batteries were never meant to be used outside of a battery pack with suitable protection electronics.

    Each of us can decide the level of risk we wish to take ourselves but we should recommend safe battery use to others.

    Thank you for your time.
    Sorry for the long read and the inconvenience of having to replace your tables!

    18350/18500 table:
    18350/18500 Safety Grades and Pulse Performance Data | E-Cigarette Forum

    18650 table:
    18650 Battery Ratings -- Picking a Safe Battery to Vape With | E-Cigarette Forum

    20650/20700/21700 table:
    20650/20700/21700 Battery Safety Ratings Table | E-Cigarette Forum

    26650 table:
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  2. Stoneface

    Stoneface Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 12, 2013
    New York
    Many thanks for your hard work :thumb:
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  3. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    May 30, 2017
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    Thank you for the update, Mooch. I'm certain you have very good reasons for doing what you are doing. I personally don't want to see any more explosive incidents that are necessary (which, really, unless something rather random happens) none are necessary.

    Thanks for all you do to keep vaping safe. I'm not a high wattage vaper, but I can completely understand where you are coming from.

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  4. AzPlumber

    AzPlumber Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 28, 2011
    Happy you are taking this step, too easy to abuse any number above a safe CDR.
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  5. Topwater Elvis

    Topwater Elvis Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2012
    Fully support & agree.
    Thank you.
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  6. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
    Thank You for your Tireless Work Mooch.

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  7. papergoblin

    papergoblin Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 16, 2013
    @Mooch I don't think some people are ever going to understand that asking for 100% or more from a battery 100% of the time, isn't going to end in failure 1% of the time...and they could end up as that 1%.
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  8. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Thanks for clarifying this, Mooch. I was having a heated debate about this very topic recently. He was misinformed that if he was vaping at your MVA limit he was safe while giving advise to a new mech user to do the same.

    I need help with a better build and ohms
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  9. VNeil

    VNeil Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 30, 2014
    Ocean City, MD
    I don't understand why so many people have so much trouble applying conservative practices when using a device that can become a road flare in your pocket or next to your mouth. Thank you for doing all you can to make vaping as safe as possible.
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  10. DaveP

    DaveP PV Master & Musician ECF Veteran

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    May 22, 2010
    Central GA
    Thanks for all your hard work and dedication, Mooch! You are a valuable member of the vaping community.
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  11. Heartsdelight

    Heartsdelight Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Nov 10, 2015
    I wholeheartedly agree, we commend, respect & appreciate all that you do @Mooch to keep us all informed & safe!
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  12. classwife

    classwife Admin
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    I'm going to sticky this for a while (and close it to posting)
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  13. classwife

    classwife Admin
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    Unsticking :)

    I think everything has been 'updated' now
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