The Newbie Connoisseur: before you spend the money

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chinaexpert1

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Not just trying to get my post count up, but I figured I'd throw out some quick do's and don'ts from a newbie perspective.


I've already sank a considerable amount of money into this looking for the right vape, so here are some tips to cut down on your intial investment in vaping, which will be large, if you really want to be satisfied and never smoke again.

1) Find a local Vapor Store

It's going to cost you a lot of time and money to figure all this out on your own just from reading posts and shooting in the dark on juices and hardware. Find a trustworthy Vapor vendor in your area, and walk on in for your first hardware. You will pay a few bucks more than internet prices, but avoiding a bad purchase and getting some early know-how will make your vaping journey a fast trip to enjoyment.

I'm in Los Angeles and there's a nice guy who runs a shop called the Vapor Store on Westwood north of Pico. I started with him on cartomizers before true PV's took off, and he's always steered me right. Ask for JJ.

In a vapor store you are going to be appraised of the latest trends, what the veterans are thinking (people who have sucessfully made the switch, and are deep into the best methods), and you are going to have a great, large, large selection of vapor flavors to play with and try out a few drops of each for free. This is invaluable, to get a bearing on your own palate, without dropping hundreds into sampler packs. That being said, you will move to the internet quickly after getting your first kit, because all the best vapes will be sold out and quickly snapped up at the in-store locations, plus it saves money to order big shipments online.

I came in looking for a real vaporizer this summer because I never got the vape and TH from cartos. He started me out on an Ego-C with Stardust clearomizers, that they still call "scientifics". I still think this was a solid recommendation. The Ego lasts a long time, has a decent voltage, and even veteran vapers are turning to the Stardust as their atty of choice. It's a great size for travelling.
Now, I'm moving up to a Vivi Nova on Lavatube.

2) Read Reviews

Even a few sampler kits online will run you $100, so read into vets who know and take the time to guide the community, like Vapenstein. I am slowly working through his It's Alive! list of greatest hits, and I'm loving every one. Tastebuds and preferences are different, but learning from a pro like Dr. V will lead you in the right direction as far as recognizing a good vape. In hindsight, you will probably look back at your first few flavors as tasting like booty.

3) Order Samplers

Once you have a bearing on what you like, look at the reviews and start ordering up samplers. You will collect a lot of "backup juice" looking for that right flavor that makes you turn into a true vaper that prefers vaping over cigarettes, although I was lucky and had some good Analog-like flavors to begin with so I got through the first couple months with no relapse. This was not my expereience with cartomizers, however, like the ones you see advertised on TV. Bad vape, bad flavor, thin, no TH. I started out in the beginning paying a ton on cartomizers because you are basically replacing your atomizers every 2-3ml. a waste.

4) Start to experiment with Hardware, if you still have urges

This is where the real money comes in. You start to look for a hardware solution that gives you the best experience and if you don't start out well you are already in the hole for $100 more or less. I still like the choice of starting out on Ego because it's something that I can take with me as a sturdy standby or on the road, and I would have no regrets passing it on to another newbie. I think VV is going to give me a lot more control over my vape however.

I'll let you know how the Lavatube/Vivi combination works out, which I consider to be "pro level" hardware.

Happy Vaping,

Chinaexpert1
 

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Welcome to ECF!
I disagree with some of point 1, I have a local B&M, I got a Lava Tube clone for $40 out the door. Cheapest I found it online was $49 and I had to pay shipping! But then he tried to sell me one of these for $37, Gripper so you never know!
I can buy 64ml of juice from him for $17, that's a steal in anyone's book!
As for knowledge, meh, I'm more aware of what's what than he is, granted I've probably been in it a while longer than he, but he should be educating himself to catch up. Not everyone walking in the door is going to be a newbie!
Last time I was in I bought some more Smoktek tank carto's, again all he had was the dual coil 1.6 ohm and couldn't figure out why some would and some wouldn't work on the EGO's he was using! I didn't even bother trying to explain the the smaller batteries wouldn't take the load they need. He's got to learn some things about what he's selling.
I asked if he had any dripping atty's because I wanted to try some different juices, his reply was he saw no need to carry such a thing! I bought a new carto and told him I'd pull the filling out an use it to drip. He looked at me like I was crazy! He'd never heard of such a thing!
I like the guy, he's nice and a good personality, so don't take me wrong there. But if you are going to run a shop, you need to be prepared to have an advanced vapor walk in the door time to time and know better than to try and blow smoke up his back side!
I encourage any newbie to visit a B&M right off the bat! It's best for them to see, feel and handle what they are thinking about. I KNOW it is helpful to people unfamiliar to get an idea of the size and weight of e-cigs to make a better choice.
OK, off my soapbox now.
 

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welcome to ECF

however, i disagree with point #1, as not everyone has a local vape shop.....

here in new orleans, we have ONE, that literally opened just last saturday, and it's the only one (to the best of my knowledge) IN THE STATE. while i agree that if it's available, that it's an excellent idea to visit a shop right off (because they will be the most knowledgeable persons to help you get started) it's simply not all that common enough yet.
 

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Thanks for your reply sawlight. Sounds like your local vapor guy is kind of a dweeb. I was lucky to run into JJ at the vapor spot...he's been around for years since before vaping took off so he really knows his stuff. I guess I kinda assumed that most people with the gumption to actually open a shop would know what their doing...

How's the drip tip? That's one thing I haven't tried. I am open to the idea of getting better flavor and better vape but I don't know if I want to sit there with both hands occupied, constantly holding the bottle. I am a chain vaper...

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I disagree with this:
The Newbie Connoisseur: before you spend the money

Nothing you mentioned comes close to being a "connoisseur". Dude, you are using an eGo and a Lavatube with vivi novas and you consider that "pro level"? lol.gif

I think you need to look around a bit more. There are some seriously nice atomizers out there and I am not even going to start on the PV's.


I guess I should add, welcome to ECF. Pull up a chair and look around a bit, you will have the opportunity to learn a LOT.
 
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Thanks for your reply sawlight. Sounds like your local vapor guy is kind of a dweeb. I was lucky to run into JJ at the vapor spot...he's been around for years since before vaping took off so he really knows his stuff. I guess I kinda assumed that most people with the gumption to actually open a shop would know what their doing...

How's the drip tip? That's one thing I haven't tried. I am open to the idea of getting better flavor and better vape but I don't know if I want to sit there with both hands occupied, constantly holding the bottle. I am a chain vaper...

Thanks

It's a cheap easy way to try juice, nothing more, nothing less! There are a lot better things out there for sure, but it was handy for now. It's not something I'll be using out and about, I'm looking at getting a couple of the I06's for that if I can't find a decent RBA in the near future.
Really, he's not a dweeb, he's a nice guy, trying to help, but he mainly deals with newbies and isn't used to people like me walking in the door. He about died when I walked in with a BB, he wasn't really ready for someone that was "aware" of what's out there yet.
 

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I disagree with this:
The Newbie Connoisseur: before you spend the money

Nothing you mentioned comes close to being a "connoisseur". Dude, you are using an eGo and a Lavatube with vivi novas and you consider that "pro level"? View attachment 159565

I think you need to look around a bit more. There are some seriously nice atomizers out there and I am not even going to start on the PV's.


I guess I should add, welcome to ECF. Pull up a chair and look around a bit, you will have the opportunity to learn a LOT.

eh, i wasn't gonna go that far XD
 

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I disagree with this:
The Newbie Connoisseur: before you spend the money

Nothing you mentioned comes close to being a "connoisseur". Dude, you are using an eGo and a Lavatube with vivi novas and you consider that "pro level"? View attachment 159565

I think you need to look around a bit more. There are some seriously nice atomizers out there and I am not even going to start on the PV's.


I guess I should add, welcome to ECF. Pull up a chair and look around a bit, you will have the opportunity to learn a LOT.


Easy! This is a new member, excited and happy to have found a place to come share experiences and learn. Step back and remember how excited you were when you found this place! Let's try and play nice, then educate as we go forward.
 

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It's a cheap easy way to try juice, nothing more, nothing less! There are a lot better things out there for sure, but it was handy for now. It's not something I'll be using out and about, I'm looking at getting a couple of the I06's for that if I can't find a decent RBA in the near future.
Really, he's not a dweeb, he's a nice guy, trying to help, but he mainly deals with newbies and isn't used to people like me walking in the door. He about died when I walked in with a BB, he wasn't really ready for someone that was "aware" of what's out there yet.

hey those io6's are nice man, mostly what i use except the HH cisco, but the HH is almost exclusively used on my REO

well, here's a cheerful veteran trolling the Newbie forum looking for a place to vent his insecurity. Thanks for joining us.

Would you care to elaborate what you would consider a "pro level" equipment, sire?

well while i don't agree with the way it was said, i do agree that a LT+vivi can't come close to a provari+zap or provari+penelope, or a mechanical mod with a genesis type, and lets not forget about those crazy guys with the zenesis and ihybrids jacking 45 watts to the coils now.....that's what i'd call you're high end "pro level" gear
 
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Yeah, I looked at the HH, but for the money, meh. I'm not dissing Cisco, but I can get three I06's, or two, a drip shield (which I've yet to figure out what they really do!) and a new tip. I don't doubt they are great, but at the end of the day, it's still a drip atty! And I'm a tight ... to boot!:laugh:

while i agree they are expensive, my HH has outlasted six of my io6's so far....and i never used the io6's as consistently as the HH (since it's the go-to on the REO) and it doesn't appear to be dropping off any over time....

then again, when i get a good quality bottom feed capable rebuildable drip atty, i'll probably put them all to bed and use it exclusively
 

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My recommendation to new vapers would be 2 eGo twists 2 vivi novas, and an additional pack of 1.8ohm heads. The theme here is low price, ease of use, and enough power to satiate urges for a cigarette. I would have saved at least $100 if I would have started with this set up.

I think part of the problem for new vapers is that to know what you need to know to make an informed decision on your first ecig purchase requires hours and hours of reading through forums and watching youtube videos.
 

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I disagree with this:
The Newbie Connoisseur: before you spend the money

Nothing you mentioned comes close to being a "connoisseur". Dude, you are using an eGo and a Lavatube with vivi novas and you consider that "pro level"? View attachment 159565

I think you need to look around a bit more. There are some seriously nice atomizers out there and I am not even going to start on the PV's.


I guess I should add, welcome to ECF. Pull up a chair and look around a bit, you will have the opportunity to learn a LOT.

OP did say 'Newbie Connoisseur', not pro vaper. Some slack would be nice. I think it's a great point of view, and pretty close to what anyone with experience would tell you. Telling a newbie to buy a provari and a genesis before they even know what they are in for would be the stupidest thing I could imagine. Let's keep some perspective here. chinaexpert1, welcome to ECF!
 

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I wish i had known about this forum earlier. Made the switch in mid october starting with Ozone smoke. It was a some what decent starting point but in a few weeks and one more order of carts had me wanting more. I found a local shop through word of mouth and after a bit of research walked out on black friday with 2 ego twists and clearomizers. So far so good but i have had a few issues that I'm hoping in time i can work through.
 

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OP did say 'Newbie Connoisseur', not pro vaper. Some slack would be nice. I think it's a great point of view, and pretty close to what anyone with experience would tell you. Telling a newbie to buy a provari and a genesis before they even know what they are in for would be the stupidest thing I could imagine. Let's keep some perspective here. chinaexpert1, welcome to ECF!

Which is exactly why I didn't tell them to buy anything. Nor did I mention names of any gear at all. I just think it was a bit presumptuous for a first post. I just told them to look around a bit. "Pro level" was THEIR words, as was "connoisseur".

I knew I would take flak for it, but I also wouldn't want OTHER newbies thinking they were buying "pro level" gear used by "connoisseurs" if they were to purchase the items this guy was recommending.

All that is needed is adequate gear to get you where you want to be, and if that is cigarette free than it is good enough for you. What is good enough for one person may not work for you or me. But to put yourself up to a connoisseur at pro level with that stuff was just too much for me to ignore.
 

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Which is exactly why I didn't tell them to buy anything. Nor did I mention names of any gear at all. I just think it was a bit presumptuous for a first post. I just told them to look around a bit. "Pro level" was THEIR words, as was "connoisseur".

I knew I would take flak for it, but I also wouldn't want OTHER newbies thinking they were buying "pro level" gear used by "connoisseurs" if they were to purchase the items this guy was recommending.

All that is needed is adequate gear to get you where you want to be, and if that is cigarette free than it is good enough for you. What is good enough for one person may not work for you or me. But to put yourself up to a connoisseur at pro level with that stuff was just too much for me to ignore.

I get your point, but you're making mine for me. Adequate gear to get you where you want to be I agree with. So because you don't like OP's devices, you shoot them down as not pro or connoisseur? How does that make any sense? There may be other reasons to do so, but their choice of gear isn't one of them. Being knowledgeable and informed is what makes someone a pro or connoisseur, not how much money they've thrown around.
 

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well, here's a cheerful veteran trolling the Newbie forum looking for a place to vent his insecurity. Thanks for joining us.

Would you care to elaborate what you would consider a "pro level" equipment, sire?

Well thank you for the compliment, but I don't consider myself a veteran and I certainly wasn't trolling. I was looking for some advice from a connoisseur and was sadly disappointed. Nor am I insecure, I have my backups of my backups and enough nicotine to get me through a few years in the freezer. Nor am I a sire.

Since you just ordered some gear, I think you should see how you like that first. Meanwhile, as I suggested earlier, you can look around the forum a bit to get an idea of what the veterans are using and, if you like, try some of those out. Vape gear is very personal, what works for you won't work for everyone but it doesn't make what you use any "worse" or "better" if it does what you want it to. Some people want to stop smoking cigarettes, others just want to cut down. Some people don't even use nicotine and that works for them. Some people really like a hot vape, others a cool vape. Some want variable voltage so they can change the vape to each juice, others found that a good mechanical and the right atty gets them where they want to be without the hassle, they can just coil an atty to fit their taste. Heck, some of the people on here can just make their own mod to their tastes. I would consider them the pros. There is a LOT out there!

The best you can hope for is to find your niche. And I do wish you good luck with that. In fact, I hope you are able to accomplish that with a Lavatube and a vivi nova. If not, when you decide perhaps you don't have the "pro level" and you ask for advice make sure you qualify what you are looking for or you will meet the Provariasts in force :lol:
 
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