The problem with electronic cigarettes...

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olie

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Bare with me here,

Here's a brief description of how dopamine works: You start a goal or action that has a desired consequence such as smoking to satisfy your nicotine craving, your dopamine starts to spike as soon as you begin the sequence of events leading up to smoking e.g. you pull the cigarette out of the pack, you put it to your lips, you take the first toke. After this the dopamine dips down a little and when you feel the "goal" is complete it will spike a little again - this is why the last few tokes often feel the best and why stomping the .... can feel satisfying.

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compare it to vaping: it's a little skewed how the sequence of events happen. Nothing feels regular, most of us don't have to go outside to vape, there's no end to vaping except when the tank runs out. The events of start and finish are very hazy and far apart compared to smoking cigarettes. This is especially a problem for new vapers.

My solution:
I suggest manufactures needs to come out with a e-cig that has a limit on the tokes with several LED's lining the side of the e-cig which slowly go out one by one to show roughly how many tokes are left, once no LED's are lit up the e-cig would deactivate. The e-cig would activate again and the LED's would light back up after a period set by the user (as a interesting side note: if you added a beep or something when it's ready to use again it would give you the sort of emotional trigger getting a text message does - if your a phone addict like most of the culture). Besides being much more satisfying it would also stop us chain vaping, which some (not all) people consider to be an issue.

As another side note: i feel a lot of vapers are getting addicted to buying gear and this might help them get their dopamine fix instead of trying to get it through buying stuff.

The point of this device is not to stop people chain vaping, so please stop with those comments.
 
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You missed the entire point of the post. Basically, it would help everyone to have a satisfying finish and start to vape sessions. (helping new vapers switch over)

Really? Perhaps you don't remember writing this...

Besides being much more satisfying it would also stop us chain vaping, which seems like a real issue based on my use and what i've heard of other peoples.
 
If someone needs a device to control how much they vape, because they can't put it down on their own, they may have a problem...

Hi, my name is MorpheusPA and I have a problem.

Of course, said problem doesn't interfere with my daily life. I don't lie, cheat, steal, or do anything at all even faintly dishonest to get my nicotine. So far, health consequences seem to be zero to quite small. My family and friends know about my problem...and support it. My problem is legal, does not cause intoxication, and confers no danger on anybody else.

OK, so it's not much of a problem. But I do need my garden weeded out again. Now that's a problem...
 

olie

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Really? Perhaps you don't remember writing this...

That was a aside, based on what others have said, yeah there is a problem with chain vaping in the community. Stop being bolligerant for no reason, i'm trying to suggest something that will help everyone. Nicotine is addictive yes but the habit of smoking is addictive too - that's why vaping helps so many people compared to inhalers and the like, the closer we get it to smoking the easier the transition will be for everyone.
 

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That was a aside, based on what others have said, yeah there is a problem with chain vaping in the community. Stop being bolligerant for no reason, i'm trying to suggest something that will help everyone. Nicotine is addictive yes but the habit of smoking is addictive too - that's why vaping helps so many people compared to inhalers and the like, the closer we get it to smoking the easier the transition will be for everyone.

I chain vape while on break at work and at home after work in my vape room. Why would chain vaping be a problem?
Cigalikes are like smoking a cigarette, as fast as they run out...
 

olie

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My dopamine "trigger" is caring for the equipment. Every day I sit down and clean or build coils or rewick or mix juice. Takes about an hour. The rest of my day is vaping. This gives me the start and end I need and I can vape as I like. What more ritual do you need?

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That's interesting, a lot of others seem to develop rituals like that after switching over. I'm talking about the actual ritual and satisfaction of the vaping process though.
 

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Hi, my name is MorpheusPA and I have a problem.

Of course, said problem doesn't interfere with my daily life. I don't lie, cheat, steal, or do anything at all even faintly dishonest to get my nicotine. So far, health consequences seem to be zero to quite small. My family and friends know about my problem...and support it. My problem is legal, does not cause intoxication, and confers no danger on anybody else.

OK, so it's not much of a problem. But I do need my garden weeded out again. Now that's a problem...

Maybe a support group is needed. It could be called VAG. Vapers Anonymous Group...
 

olie

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I chain vape while on break at work and at home after work in my vape room. Why would chain vaping be a problem?
Cigalikes are like smoking a cigarette, as fast as they run out...

Jesus Christ, that isn't the point. I didn't mean to call chain vaping a problem because it isn't really and i think that is what's causing the thorn in your side.
 

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Bear with me here,

Here's a brief description of how dopamine works: You start a goal or action that has a desired consequence such as smoking to satisfy your nicotine craving, your dopamine starts to spike as soon as you begin the sequence of events leading up to smoking e.g. you pull the cigarette out of the pack, you put it to your lips, you take the first toke. After this the dopamine dips down a little and when you feel the "goal" is complete it will spike a little again - this is why the last few tokes often feel the best and why stomping the .... can feel satisfying.

View attachment 343631

compare it to vaping: it's a little skewed how the sequence of events happen. Nothing feels regular, most of us don't have to go outside to vape, there's no end to vaping except when the tank runs out. The events of start and finish are very hazy and far apart compared to smoking cigarettes. This is especially a problem for new vapers.

My solution:
I suggest manufactures needs to come out with a e-cig that has a limit on the tokes with several LED's lining the side of the e-cig which slowly go out one by one to show roughly how many tokes are left, once no LED's are lit up the e-cig would deactivate. The e-cig would activate again and the LED's would light back up after a period set by the user (as a interesting side note: if you added a beep or something when it's ready to use again it would give you the sort of emotional trigger getting a text message does - if your a phone addict like most of the culture). Besides being much more satisfying it would also stop us chain vaping, which seems like a real issue based on my use and what i've heard of other peoples.

As another side note: i feel a lot of vapers are getting addicted to buying gear and this might help them get their dopamine fix instead of trying to get it through buying stuff.

Sounds a lot like what you can program on an evic
 

stevegmu

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Jesus Christ, that isn't the point. I didn't mean to call chain vaping a problem because it isn't really and i think that is what's causing the thorn in your side.

I don't care what people think of my vaping, but you seem to be concerned with chain vaping. Perhaps you can elaborate why it is a problem...

Besides being much more satisfying it would also stop us chain vaping, which seems like a real issue based on my use and what i've heard of other peoples.
 
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