The problem with electronic cigarettes...

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olie

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Sorry, but I don't think that is the answer. Better juice, less negativity in the media and more social support...

Are you saying the negativity in the media stops smokers from switching over? Last i checked smoking has a pretty negative outlook in the media. You're right on the realism of juice helping smokers switch over but you've missed the overarching point too. Please do some research on how dopamine works and come back to me. here's a video to start you off:
 

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When I feel I've gotten my nic fix, I'm happy and I stop. I vape 18-20mg on gennies tho, so it may be more noticeable than with weaker sauce. (Edited in: Actually, for me, this works better than with cigarettes. I vape till I get my nic fix sorted. With cigs, it was just 3-4 cigs a day that actually felt good. The others were more habitual. Yet, I smoked an additional 10-15.)

There is if you consider the large amount of smokers who have tried vaping and didn't switch over. Obviously something is missing.

How I see it, what's missing is a 100% functional 100% of the time no-fuzz no-fiddle one-size fits all, tastes awesome to every taste bud $20 setup with no replacement-coil lottery. Once you can get something like that, with the performance of rebuildable atties... there will be a landslide of new vapers. Problems, annoyances and lack of satisfaction isn't the biggest promoter of dopamine :D

Not disputing your dopamine theories. Just saying there's more to it.
 
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I don't understand the point. First of all, if a device like this came out, it wouldn't sell. It just wouldn't.

A smoker walks into a local B&M for an e cigarette. He looks left and sees one that limits how much he can use it. He looks right and sees one that does not limit how much he can use it. Which one does he buy?

The one on the right. It just doesn't make sense. I'm a psych major and I understand the dopamine deal, but I think the reason the e-cigarettes have been so successful to get people to quit (and they absolutely have) is the sharing of the hand to mouth motion that cigarettes have, among a lot of other similarities. The difference being that e-cigarettes are way safer.

For me, the limiter is battery life. I could drain an average ego battery in an hour, no sweat. This is what I started with, and if it had a "puff limiter" I would have bought something else in a heartbeat.
 

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The point is to make it more similar to cigarettes not less.

But e-cigarettes really are so much more different than cigarettes. For a lot of us, we have something to tinker with and build and alter it to our preferences. Vaping for the advanced people is a HOBBY more than just something that we do. For others, it's even a lifestyle, including me. I visit local shops and show off my equipment and share knowledge with them, and do my best to educate people.

You can't deny that vaping has been the single most successful tactic to help people quit smoking. I don't think it could possibly be improved by the suggestions given in your opening post
 

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An absolute limit is a nonseller;

An optional/adjustable system is worth paying for :
for example; most mod have something like a 10 second cutoff timer;
some of the newer mods allow for adjusting the timer to 15 or 20 seconds.

I don't know if a whole 1 minute would be usefull but who knows, some people seem to like a very tight draw and maybe a timeout that goes as much as 1 minute would be the ultimate limit.
 

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There is if you consider the large amount of smokers who have tried vaping and didn't switch over. Obviously something is missing.

From my observation it's that ppl expect too much from vaping. It's not as easy as analogs. When they come to me their juice is black and thick like tar. It doesn't taste like it did 2 weeks ago. It's just easier to smoke.
I maintain 3 other vapers equipment besides me and the Mrs. Give advice to maybe 6 or 7 more. They are having no problem staying off smokes.
So is the problem the ritual or the learning curve?

If you can make it as easy as a pack of lights... you'll be a billionaire!

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olie

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I don't understand the point. First of all, if a device like this came out, it wouldn't sell. It just wouldn't.

A smoker walks into a local B&M for an e cigarette. He looks left and sees one that limits how much he can use it. He looks right and sees one that does not limit how much he can use it. Which one does he buy?

The one on the right. It just doesn't make sense. I'm a psych major and I understand the dopamine deal, but I think the reason the e-cigarettes have been so successful to get people to quit (and they absolutely have) is the sharing of the hand to mouth motion that cigarettes have, among a lot of other similarities. The difference being that e-cigarettes are way safer.

For me, the limiter is battery life. I could drain an average ego battery in an hour, no sweat. This is what I started with, and if it had a "puff limiter" I would have bought something else in a heartbeat.

Marketing it is a different sort of problem with a few different solutions but based on what i'm hypothesising the e-cig would be much more addictive due to the extra dopamine, causing people who have the e-cig to prefer it after using it and having a higher satisfaction with new vapers.

Absolutely the hand to mouth action and all the other similarities have helped a ton but there's still a little way to go to fully satisfy some smokers. E-cigarettes being safer is a major selling point but doesn't have much to do with dopamine in users. Puff limiters are stupid and no where did i suggest that, the goal is to get it similar to cigarettes. You should understand this point if you're a psych major. It's not just the hand to mouth action.
 
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Marketing it is a different sort of problem with a few different solutions but based on what i'm hypothesising the e-cig would be much more addictive due to the extra dopamine, causing people who have the e-cig to prefer it after using it and having a higher satisfaction with new vapers.

Absolutely the hand to mouth action and all the other similarities have helped a ton but there's still a little way to go to fully satisfy some smokers. E-cigarettes being safer is a major selling point but doesn't have much to do with dopamine in users. Puff limiters are stupid and no where did i suggest that, the goal is to get it similar to cigarettes. You should understand this point if you're a psych major. It's not just the hand to mouth action.

Okay, I'm just now getting into this, but a puff limiter is litterally exactly what you suggested. I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but you said it would have a toke limiter involving led lights. I'm confused because now you're saying that puff limiters are stupid and pointless, when that is exactly what you suggested in the first place.

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I can certainly see the appeal of a programmable timer for various aspects, especially extending that 10-sec limit to at least 15secs. I'm personally finding that I have a real physical need to stop chain vaping, to put my PV on the other side of the room instead of right here on my desk; when I feel a real strong desire for a vape, I get up and go have a puff or three, then set it back down and go back to what I was doing. With cigarettes, I could never have been that casual about something I could do "at will," I'd have had a cigarette in my hand every minute they weren't in water, like I used to before I started smoking outdoors.

I knew when I smoked that, with my asthma, if I smoked more than about 1.5 pk a day, at most, I'd have serious consequences to my lungs the next morning, lots of that coughing up that's SOOO much fun, so I had a natural limit. With vaping, I've been carrying on as if it's "free," that there's no cost to my body; for most of you, there may not be much cost at all to your body, but to an asthmatic, there is a definite cost; after 2 wks of using 67%PG/33%VG instead of the 85PG/15VG ratio I was used to at first, this morning I almost could not inhale enough to inhale from my Ventolin "rescue" inhaler, and that scared me. Also, lately I've suffered extremely swollen feet and ankles, which hurt, and which is why I was trying to decrease my PG consumption a little. Obviously too much PG isn't good, it's dehydrating me so badly I have these painfully swollen feet/ankles, and more than the barest trace of VG just flat out makes me unable to breathe. So, now that I've been free of cigarettes for more than 3 months, it's time to stop being a human fog machine, and remember that I do have asthma, and not being able to breathe is not only scary, it's very dangerous! Breathing is not optional!

So, I'll be increasing my nic level just a little, and trying to make my vaping more episodic, as smoking is, rather than just this constant puffing. Just from laying off it a little today, only vaping when I really felt a strong desire for it, I'm coughing a GREAT deal less, so I think this is the right way for me to handle this, and remain off the cigarettes.

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Okay, I'm just now getting into this, but a puff limiter is litterally exactly what you suggested. I'm not trying to stir the pot here, but you said it would have a toke limiter involving led lights. I'm confused because now you're saying that puff limiters are stupid and pointless, when that is exactly what you suggested in the first place.

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Puff limiter or puff counter? I'm not talking about a limiting the toke time like someone else mentioned above.

The point is to have a signal for the start and end of smoking, something like 50 vapes then a button to click several times to re activate it would work just as well.
 
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