The State Of E-Juice

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hiram13pm

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I hate to point this out, but nicotine (once it's mixed with a base liquid) only has a shelf-life of about 2 years. You can extend that somewhat by freezing it, but not indefinitely. The base liquids themselves break down as well.

We can stockpile nicotine in advance of the inevitable "protect us from ourselves" government intrusion, but only so much.

That said, a certain leafy green plant is still highly illegal at the federal level... though you wouldn't know it in California or Colorado. Or any other state, come to think of it.
 
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what do you mean by clean room?
what do you mean by people sneezing and coughing all over
the place? in a....,a......,a....,warehouse no less.
its a wonder any of us are still alive.
mixing such chemicals as PG and VG both having
excellent antibacterial and viral qualities can be
tricky.
still its interesting to note that there hasn't been
one (as in zero) reported case of any pathogen
being transmitted via e-juice ever.
even the stuff made in some dark,damp and moldy
cobweb infested basement by that guy with the runny nose
and dirty fingernails who is constantly scratching himself
in unmentionable places.
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mike
Are we really sure about that? How about that cold a vapor gets or the flew. Can we really say they caught it at work or somewhere else or could it possibly be juices produced in a warehouse with no sight of a clean room? Just a thought!
 

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I hate to point this out, but nicotine (once it's mixed with a base liquid) only has a shelf-life of about 2 years. You can extend that somewhat by freezing it, but not indefinitely. The base liquids themselves break down as well.

We can stockpile nicotine in advance of the inevitable "protect us from ourselves" government intrusion, but only so much.

That said, a certain leafy green plant is still highly illegal at the federal level... though you wouldn't know it in California or Colorado. Or any other state, come to think of it.

Not sure what you mean by "base liquid"... I store my 100mg Pg nicotine in the freezer, and have heard reports of 4-10 yrs, still being just fine.

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I hate to point this out, but nicotine (once it's mixed with a base liquid) only has a shelf-life of about 2 years. You can extend that somewhat by freezing it, but not indefinitely. The base liquids themselves break down as well.

We can stockpile nicotine in advance of the inevitable "protect us from ourselves" government intrusion, but only so much.

That said, a certain leafy green plant is still highly illegal at the federal level... though you wouldn't know it in California or Colorado. Or any other state, come to think of it.

All nicotine that you buy comes diluted in a base liquid of either PG or VG unless you're buying 100% Nicotine, which you can't do unless you're a commercial entity as far as I'm aware of. That would be strongly recommended NOT to do as a very small amount is a deadly poison at that kind of concentration.

Here is the link to the form on storing.
Search Results for Query: Storing nicotine | E-Cigarette Forum

It basically boils down to break it up into smaller bottles that are brown glass and freeze it doubled up in plastic bags to prevent leakage. You should be good for at least two years and there have been poster saying their's has lasted longer. Hey worst case scenario, until they outlaw tobacco completely as you can process your own tobacco leaves to get your juice.:)
 

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Are we really sure about that? How about that cold a vapor gets or the flew. Can we really say they caught it at work or somewhere else or could it possibly be juices produced in a warehouse with no sight of a clean room? Just a thought!

I'm fairly certain that the Flu virus wouldn't survive being heated to the temperatures our coils reach, could be wrong though. BTW when was the last time you saw people in a restaurant kitchen wearing face masks? You know who usually makes your salad? The server, who works in the front of the house, in contact with all of the customers, touching everything including their money.
 

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Wow, it seems like at least half this forum is sitting in their bunkers just waiting civilization to break down while they perfect the tinfoil hats
I keep my tinfoil hat in my bug out bag. Okay, I'm joking about the tinfoil hat. Nothing wrong with being prepared
 

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Wow, it seems like at least half this forum is sitting in their bunkers just waiting civilization to break down while they perfect the tinfoil hats

Only half? Well if we are all going to turn into survivalists, we better add vaping to the list of things you got to have: food, water, guns, bullets, Gold, silver, Eliquids, and most of all solar cell charging systems to charge our vaping equipment! :)
 
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LewAz

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Only half? Well if we are all going to turn into survivalists, we better add vaping to the list of things you got to have: food, water, guns, bullets, Gold, silver, Eliquids, and most of all solar cell charging systems to charge our vaping equipment! :)
sCharger 5 usb solar charger...weighs 8.4 ounces...5 volts, 1 Amp (1000mA), 5-Watts. Not for my bunker though. I camp and fish in remote areas
 

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Y'all remember what happened with Y2K?

NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.

:facepalm:

Andria

But that's only because the alarm was sounding early so they went in and reprogrammed all those huge legacy systems for all the banks and stuff are running because they're too damn cheap to upgrade. Otherwise it would've been a massive disaster (according to them)
;):lol::matrix:
 

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Not sure what you mean by "base liquid"... I store my 100mg Pg nicotine in the freezer, and have heard reports of 4-10 yrs, still being just fine.

Andria

I guess that depends on your definition of 'fine'. Potency starts dropping off after the two year mark. You can still vape it, of course, you'll just have to keep upping the percentage of the nicotine base in the final mix. I'm not sure what PG and VG break down into naturally over time, but they DO have shelf lives of their own.
 

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I guess that depends on your definition of 'fine'. Potency starts dropping off after the two year mark. You can still vape it, of course, you'll just have to keep upping the percentage of the nicotine base in the final mix. I'm not sure what PG and VG break down into naturally over time, but they DO have shelf lives of their own.

Well that's the beauty of storing it at 100mg... even if it loses a small amount of potency over extended storage, it's still so strong that it makes very little difference.

It's in a freezer, so I'm pretty sure the shelf-life of the PG is "indefinitely" -- I'm 54, so likely I won't even live long enough for that PG to go past its shelf-life, stored in a freezer.

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Well that's the beauty of storing it at 100mg... even if it loses a small amount of potency over extended storage, it's still so strong that it makes very little difference.

It's in a freezer, so I'm pretty sure the shelf-life of the PG is "indefinitely" -- I'm 54, so likely I won't even live long enough for that PG to go past its shelf-life, stored in a freezer.

Andria

Not, I'm rooting for you to last long enough so that Nic degenerates into basically nothing, or you vaped it up and bought more many times. and most of all, we last long enough for all The anti-smoking crazy nut cases out there to leave us vapors alone.:) I'm afraid that one may be a massive stretch though. :-x
 
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What is this "wild west" nonsense? While there may not be any e-liquid specific regulations, it's still a consumer product being manufactured, sold and consumed in the US. You can't just put anything in a liquid, if you put something known to be harmful in, and it harms someone, you'll get sued. If someone gets sick from your negligence, you'll get sued. There is no "wild west" in America, just some areas that haven't been hit by bureaucracy yet. Don't worry, the regs are coming, soon you'll have nice and safe "tobacco" or "menthol" flavor, in sealed cartos, brought you you by those who care about your health, Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds.

Compared to analogs that cant be sold in flavors, taxed out the wazoo, and the fact that i can mix this stuff in my shed (no division of weights and measures mind you) and sell it on the net.... its the wild west bro.
 

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Compared to analogs that cant be sold in flavors, taxed out the wazoo, and the fact that i can mix this stuff in my shed (no division of weights and measures mind you) and sell it on the net.... its the wild west bro.
You mean like those people that sell homemade cake pops online? Or the little kids selling lemonade on the sidewalk?

E-liquid doesn't have the level of regulations that tobacco has, true, because as of yet it's not a tobacco product(and really isn't for that matter), but it is still subject to all general consumer product regulations.
 
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