The TRUTH about pass throughs please!

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lorikay13

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Can someone please tell me exactly where I can find a car adapter that will actually power a pass through?

Can someone who is qualified, as in an IT tech,hardware geek, etc, please tell me if it really is safe to power a PT through your computers USB port? If so does it need to be a particular kind of PT....inline battery etc. And explain to me how this is possible when the nature of a usb port on a pc is to put out 500ma max. ?

Can someone please tell me exactly where I can buy a USB hub or adapter that puts out enough power to run a PT ?

I guess I'm just a dork, (vs a geek...which would be a good thing) but I just cannot figure this out. All the sellers say...sit at your PC and vape till you die....but IF you can get the tech specs on the device you find out it needs 1300 or even 1800 ma to run the thing. You buy a kit that comes with a PT and a car adapter and then find out the adapter is only good for battery charging...you can't run the PT with it. The best I have seen is 1000ma and apparently that isn't enough. Please help an electrically challenged person in need.

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I have plugged mine into my laptop, desktop, DVD player, cable TV box, car adapter and a USB wall charger - they all work fine. It seems like it runs a bit hotter on the USB wall charger (which is a 2-amp 2-outlet unit). Whatever you plug it into, they should be unplugged when unattended. The new V4L pass-thru has a cutoff, which should help as a safety measure in that regard.
 

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I am far from a tech person, but I bought one of these and have it on the end table and it works just fine High Speed 7 Ports USB 2.0 HUB Powered AC Adapter Cable - eBay (item 180402629496 end time Feb-27-10 11:12:38 PST) charges several batts at a time and I can use my PT in it.

And I am assuming this is what you need for the car (scroll down all the way) myPVshop.com Electronic Cigarettes - RN4072 Electronic Cigarette Accessories

The RN4072 PT that I had wouldn't work on my computer, but my Volcano PT works just fine.

As to the technical specifications, or whether or not anything will blow up - I have no clue. I just know what has worked for me thus far.

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Their websire is showing "sold out", but keep an eye out for then they are back in stock. For less that $5 shipped, this is the best. You can use a pt and charge a batt at the same time. Or, if you have a friend over that also vape's......;)

USB Dual Power Adapter

That's the one I have, too - hard to beat that deal!
 

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Their websire is showing "sold out", but keep an eye out for then they are back in stock. For less that $5 shipped, this is the best. You can use a pt and charge a batt at the same time. Or, if you have a friend over that also vape's......;)

USB Dual Power Adapter


Someone here talked to the seller and he is sold out and won't have any more like that. The new ones are different and more money, he won't have them for a while.

I have some and I love them.

GP is selling them for more money.
 

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Can someone who is qualified, as in an IT tech,hardware geek, etc, please tell me if it really is safe to power a PT through your computers USB port? If so does it need to be a particular kind of PT....inline battery etc. And explain to me how this is possible when the nature of a usb port on a PC is to put out 500ma max. ?

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I'm a user not an expert :D The PT is used instead of a battery. If it is just a PT the energy from PC or Hub powers the atty. You unplug is a rock!

A PT with an in-line battery gets charged as it is plugged and if you want to walk away just unplug, dangle cord from neck and vape away until you drain the battery.

Older PC's with usb-1 tech might not have enough juice to power all the peripherals (printer, pda, etc.) If you overload the machine you won't get enough juice to properly power the VP or in the worst case you could fry a component (depending on how the usb is powered from the Mb).

Newer PC have usb-2 and are designed with 6 or more ports so they can handle more demand on the system w/o overtaxing.

My 0.02 cents Buy a usb-wall adapter and draw from it. Would you risk 500.00 or more dollars (PC) for the convenience to plug at desk level or not?

Hope it helps
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Can someone please tell me exactly where I can find a car adapter that will actually power a pass through?

Can someone who is qualified, as in an IT tech,hardware geek, etc, please tell me if it really is safe to power a PT through your computers USB port? If so does it need to be a particular kind of PT....inline battery etc. And explain to me how this is possible when the nature of a usb port on a pc is to put out 500ma max. ?

Can someone please tell me exactly where I can buy a USB hub or adapter that puts out enough power to run a PT ?

I guess I'm just a dork, (vs a geek...which would be a good thing) but I just cannot figure this out. All the sellers say...sit at your PC and vape till you die....but IF you can get the tech specs on the device you find out it needs 1300 or even 1800 ma to run the thing. You buy a kit that comes with a PT and a car adapter and then find out the adapter is only good for battery charging...you can't run the PT with it. The best I have seen is 1000ma and apparently that isn't enough. Please help an electrically challenged person in need.

Thank You
8-o

lorikay13,

I don't want to spark any heated arguments on this, but wanted to help you if I could. First a simple answer: It is more than 90% likely that a PT rated to consume 1 Amp n 5v to work with nearly all USB plug-ins. Could it cause problems, possibly to likely. Hundreds if not thousand of factors will come into play by pushing the switch on a PT plugged into a PC.

Want a reference point to do some fact finding? Start by searching for USB on wikipedia. Use the embedded links to read about anything you don't understand.

Want a extremely opinionated long explanation? Read beyond this.
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This is going to be long, and skip over any part you already understand. I'll break it into sections for easy skimming.

I. My qualifications
I have been working in a paid position for computer support starting out as a lab assistant formatting floppies since I was 14. I worked supporting hardware/software/electrical devices anything requiring electricity for about 15 years. I have since moved from working with PC and Electrical hardware and work almost exclusively with server hardware and software, except for all my dam bum friends and my own. That being said, someone who is currently working day in and out with PC hardware is more qualified to speak about the state of current PC hardware compatibility with PTs; but I have a large amount of varied hardware experience. Let me also state that an electrical engineer who designs USB hardware would be the ultimate source on this.

II. The other discussion I know of on this topic in ECF
There is also a massive thread on this already discussing in heated details cons and pros here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ews/65391-reasonably-priced-5volt-510-pt.html

III. Describing an Overload with the average person in mind
I want to start by helping anyone who possibly doesn't understand overloading a circuit by describing the most common problem people have with it. In a house that is poorly wired, or even adequately wired, you plug a hairdryer and a heater into the same outlet, turn em both on high, its likely the circuit breaker will trip. This is an overload. You have tripped the circuit breakers built in safety feature to turn that circuit off. The circuit breaker is rated in amps. If you exceed the amps of that breaker it simply turns off. Why? If it didn't the wires going from the breaker to the outlet could start over heating. When electricity moves through copper the more of it you demand from more things plugged in to the outlet, the hotter the cable going to it gets.

IV. Computer Standards an Overview with USB

Now moving to a more complex device then a wire, you have a computer. A computer is the culmination of literally hundreds of thousands of specifications that have evolved and changed since the begging. Nearly every component of a computer has a standard to it. Even the case, ie at atx etc etc. Some standards are completely gone from any use, ie ISA. The specific standard in question is USB 2.0 or variant. Nearly every computer device/computer like device uses this standard or a variant of it. If its extremely old it may use USB 1.0 or variant. If you purchase something at a retail outlet today, it is safe to assume it uses this standard. USB 3.0 is on the horizon and may even be marketed in some devices now. Unsure as I have not read anything on it in a while on it.

V. Electrical Devices as to their input and overload of
An electrical device is made/designed to have a certain input of electricity. This will always include either AC or DC and Voltage and Amps. The tolerance to these factors being different then what is actually supplied varies tremendously depending on the device. A +/- is always built into these devices and hopefully a safeguard if these variations are exceeded. A general rule is the more expensive items have more safeguards then cheaper ones. A common instance of people testing these tolerances is with Universal adapters that simply have switches for Volts/Amps and plug them into a device that they possibly lost the original adapter for. I have at least 3 of these universal adapters, and use them often.

VI. Computer Devices and USB Overload a compelling argument for using a Powered USB hub
A computer can and will power whatever the designers of the circuitry involved in the USB port intended it to power, and go beyond this to its either safeguarded overload, or un-safeguarded overload. In the second case, you will have a problem, either small or very significant. The computer may simply turn off, or it may cause a small explosion in a cap or other circuitry. For this reason alone, a simple $10 usb hub vs a computer repair that will cost at least 100s possibly thousands of dollars to fix, it would always be my personal preference to plug a usb anything not explicitly designed with a stamp of approval of USB 2.0 on its label, backed up with a company that has been producing USB devices for at least 5 years, and a warranty that does not exclude personal damage to equipment, to always use a powered usb hub or adapter made to power the usb device.

VII. A bit more about tolerances and my personal experience
I have plugged universal adapters into devices after setting the V/A to the exact specification on the devices, only to have a dead device after wards. This gives me a great excuse to buy another device with its proper power source, but is also more costly then the device working with the universal adapter. This may be due to a crappy universal adapter or mislabeling the device from the manufacturer, or other reasons. A general rule is a device that does not have a simple copper wire going straight to the outlet or uses a defined battery could have potential problems with anything other than its original power supply. On the other hand, I have plugged in devices with absolutely no knowledge of the required Volts/Amps and simply changed it from the lowest to highest and found the device to work fine after finding an acceptable V/A to the device. Extremely risky process not only endangering the device, but my safety. Nonetheless I have done it dozens of times.

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I hope this helps at least 1 person, I know I have learned hundreds if not thousands of things from this great forum. Sorry if it's extremely lengthy and opinionated. I'm not a writer of even adept quality. Failed English writing test for entry to college :lol:
 
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As for the issue of plugging a PT into your 2.0 (or whatever) USB connection, the short answer is DON'T DO IT! That is a catastrophic event just waiting to happen that will not only destroy your PT, but more importantly, fry your motherboard, and possibly everything attached to it!

I have used a Belkin wall plug-in adaptor for a year with my Prodigy PT with excellent performance and cool running (I vape constantly). On the go I use a Kennsington portable charger that again produces excellent results and is much easier than trying not to rip out your car cig lighter when removing, and you are also not limited to cable placement and it is thin and small enough to fit in a shirt pocket.

This is just my experience using a number of PT's over a two year period.
One thing is for sure, regardless of what people or "statistics" say, I would never risk frying my computer for a PT. ;)
 

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Thank you one and all!!! And pmetzger....I thought your writing was quite well done. :) And I did/do understand your post. Thank you.
As for the car adapter that has been recommended several times here.....I had one....it literally melted the usb cord......and all I was doing was charging a battery. So no offence....but I would really like to try something else if I'm going to use a PT in the car. I do like the power pack idea but cant afford it. I've found a couple car adapters that claim 2amps until you read the fine print. They are always a duel adapter that supplies 1 amp to each port. So other than the brand mentioned has anyone found a car adapter that puts out more than 1 amp PER PORT ?
As for those duel USB wall chargers.......I got 6 of 'em.:D I will be plugging it into a surge protector:
Amazon.com: Belkin Mini Surge Protector Dual USB Charger: Electronics

Belkin Mini Surge Protector.This new design features three AC outlets and two powered USB outlets

Can't beat that for $15 !!

Unfortunately I still do not understand why we are being sold devices that are clearly not able to do what they are advertised to do safely. If someone is going to sell PT's I feel they should tell the truth about what it will take to run one. Not tell us that we can "work and vape" or "vape at the PC all day". Some of them just don't say anything but others come right out and say you can run the thing off your PC. I have written to a couple companies and been told....oh don't worry....if your PC can't handle it the PT just won't work. Right! 8-o And if they are going to sell a car adapter they should tell the truth about rather it's good for just charging or for running the PT they are selling. I did see one seller that came right out and said...this device needs at least 1300 ma to run properly. So again....where do I get that much power in my car?

okay...thank you for letting me rant :) If anyone does find a good device please let me know....I have the home thing covered...it's the car adapter I'm looking for now.

oh wait....one more question...I promise...one. So if you have a PT with an inline battery does that solve the problem of overloading the PC ? And then is that considered a high voltage device or is it just the standard 3.7v? (which I would probably prefer). oops...that was 2 questions wasn;t it?

Thanks again everyone for taking the time to post. Vape in peace. ;)

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oh wait....one more question...I promise...one. So if you have a PT with an inline battery does that solve the problem of overloading the PC ? And then is that considered a high voltage device or is it just the standard 3.7v? (which I would probably prefer). oops...that was 2 questions wasn;t it?

I'd be wary of using any usb PT with a inline battery on a PC usb port.
3.7v as far as I've seen.

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Thank you one and all!!! And pmetzger....I thought your writing was quite well done. :) And I did/do understand your post. Thank you.
As for the car adapter that has been recommended several times here.....I had one....it literally melted the usb cord......and all I was doing was charging a battery. So no offence....but I would really like to try something else if I'm going to use a PT in the car. I do like the power pack idea but cant afford it. I've found a couple car adapters that claim 2amps until you read the fine print. They are always a duel adapter that supplies 1 amp to each port. So other than the brand mentioned has anyone found a car adapter that puts out more than 1 amp PER PORT ?
As for those duel USB wall chargers.......I got 6 of 'em.:D I will be plugging it into a surge protector:
Amazon.com: Belkin Mini Surge Protector Dual USB Charger: Electronics

Belkin Mini Surge Protector.This new design features three AC outlets and two powered USB outlets

Can't beat that for $15 !!

Unfortunately I still do not understand why we are being sold devices that are clearly not able to do what they are advertised to do safely. If someone is going to sell PT's I feel they should tell the truth about what it will take to run one. Not tell us that we can "work and vape" or "vape at the PC all day". Some of them just don't say anything but others come right out and say you can run the thing off your PC. I have written to a couple companies and been told....oh don't worry....if your PC can't handle it the PT just won't work. Right! 8-o And if they are going to sell a car adapter they should tell the truth about rather it's good for just charging or for running the PT they are selling. I did see one seller that came right out and said...this device needs at least 1300 ma to run properly. So again....where do I get that much power in my car?

okay...thank you for letting me rant :) If anyone does find a good device please let me know....I have the home thing covered...it's the car adapter I'm looking for now.

oh wait....one more question...I promise...one. So if you have a PT with an inline battery does that solve the problem of overloading the PC ? And then is that considered a high voltage device or is it just the standard 3.7v? (which I would probably prefer). oops...that was 2 questions wasn;t it?

Thanks again everyone for taking the time to post. Vape in peace. ;)

Lorraine

Few answers purely opinion based in origin some life experience thrown in for saltiness.

"Unfortunately I still do not understand why we are being sold devices that are clearly not able to do what they are advertised to do safely. If someone is going to sell PT's I feel they should tell the truth about what it will take to run one."

This is somewhat of a double edged sword thing. When these products (Cheap USB PTs) are available at Walmart and Target and other retail giants; you will see a huge improvement in QC. Either they will refuse to carry the items that don't work comparatively to their other electric devices or carry a alternatively made extremely expensive variant; or they will carry them until a sufficient amount of people have killed other devices with them or the device itself fails enough returns.

If Belkin or Logitech or any huge electronics company manufactured these items; I wouldn't hesitate for a second to plug them into my pc with out even a slight glance at the manual at what power it required. It's statistically sound practice to expect these companies to provide a device that 99% of the time works well. If they killed a 3k dollar pc per 30 dollar device they sold, they would be out of business. They can however afford to pay out for 1% of products that cause problems; they do almost always include limited liability clauses in their user agreements saying they are never responsible for this though. >< Some devices come straight out and say 100k dollar insurance etc. Check out surge protectors.

"oh wait....one more question...I promise...one. So if you have a PT with an inline battery does that solve the problem of overloading the PC ? And then is that considered a high voltage device or is it just the standard 3.7v? (which I would probably prefer). oops...that was 2 questions wasn;t it?"

It creates a safeguard. The idea being, the draw comes mainly from the battery with the USB adapter continuously, or as needed, charging the battery. I would expect this kind of device to be the first available PT in retail giants. You are however, still plugging a "unknown" device into your PC. (Unknown as in who are you going to sue when it kills your PC) In my view still too risky for my baby. (my pc, 7TBs of data on proprietary raid hosted on mb, last replacement of mb I nearly killed myself)

As far as I understand those PT's are rated to output the batteries output not the USB. 3.7v

Sorry I can't help at all on car stuff. Anything I said would be more mythology than non-fiction. They have wires, and batteries, and a power generator thingy (alternator?). As you can see, as soon as someone starts using "thingy" their field of expertise has been far exceeded. ;P

One other thing, The ATE (Ask the Experts) board is great for asking for a very sound and studied answer. I have asked a question there before and got quite a good answer. ;) Be sure to phrase the question following the guidelines for the best answer. There is no replies except from previously selected members on ECF. Kinda like a ask Miss Manners thing.

Hope this helps,
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They don't tell you because they are not into tech support. There are too many different situations to cater to. Too many different computer setups and ages. I can tell you I blew out my power supply on my computer last week using a 401 PT, it was hooked to the rear USB. I'm lucky it didn't take out the motherboard or any of the other expensive components. It went out with a flash, bang and than smoke. Now, before anyone goes into debate, this is not said to make you stay away from those PTs, just a warning to be aware of your system. If in doubt, don't do it. My Power Supply may have been weak to begin with, I also had a mini hub with other devices hooked up, the only other actual used device was my mouse. And it is not a powerd USB hub.

We did move the system to another case/power supply. It works on the front USB, BUT I am not so trusting. I ordered a 510 with in inline battery and using the wall adapter instead. I feel much safer, so does my hubby. I don't think he'd appreciate having to do anymore work.
 

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I have been working with computers for over 12 years and run my own consulting company.
I am also have an EET degree.
Don't run your PT off your computer.
If your PT has a battery get a 1000ma rated adapter and if it doesn't get a 2000ma adapter.
No one and I mean no one builds usb ports on a MB that will stand up to constant high current use.
 
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