They're coming after Juul!

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Juul Says Its Focus Was Smokers, but It Targeted Young Nonsmokers

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Juul’s remarkable rise to resurrect and dominate the e-cigarette business came after it began targeting consumers in their 20s and early 30s, a generation with historically low smoking rates, in a furious effort to reward investors and capture market share before the government tightened regulations on vaping.

As recently as 2017, as evidence grew that high school students were flocking to its sleek devices and flavored nicotine pods, the company refused to sign a pledge not to market to teenagers as part of a lawsuit settlement. It wasn’t until the summer of 2018, when the Food and Drug Administration required it to do so, that the company put a nicotine warning label on its packaging.

Though some former employees recalled Mr. Monsees wearing a T-shirt at the office that used an expletive to refer to Big tobacco, the start-up’s early pitches to potential investors listed selling the business to a big tobacco company as one of the potential ways to cash out. (Last December, the tobacco giant Altria paid $12.8 billion for a 35 percent stake in the company.)
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.... But the company wasn’t abandoning e-cigarettes. On the contrary, it had a breakthrough. It had discovered a way to substantially increase the nicotine levels in a new product, named Juul.

It was this breakthrough that would make the Juul so addictive to teenagers and people who had never smoked.

an interview published by The Verge in April 2015, Ari Atkins, an engineer who had worked on the team developing the Juul, said: “We don’t think a lot about addiction here because we’re not trying to design a cessation product at all.

He added, according to the article, “Anything about health is not on our mind.” The article noted that his colleagues in the interview winced
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Does anyone remember Dr. Farsolinos' estimation of the amount of nicotine needed in vaping to equal that of smoking? 45 mg/ml i believe was the number. I think he settled at 24mg. I read JUUL has 50mg/0.7ml in those pods. I was shocked to read that JUUL didn't take health issues into consideration. What our industry has done as far as safety and information has been phenomenal in retrospect. JUUL, I believe, knew at that concentration they hooked a kid. Look for the $$ not the purpose.
 

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Does anyone remember Dr. Farsolinos' estimation of the amount of nicotine needed in vaping to equal that of smoking? 45 mg/ml i believe was the number. I think he settled at 24mg. I read JUUL has 50mg/0.7ml in those pods. I was shocked to read that JUUL didn't take health issues into consideration. What our industry has done as far as safety and information has been phenomenal in retrospect. JUUL, I believe, knew at that concentration they hooked a kid. Look for the $$ not the purpose.

This article seems pretty accurate in recommended nic levels for smokers who want to quit using vaping at a satisfying nic content.

How to find the Best E Juice Nicotine Level&How Much Nicotine to Vape?

0 mg/ml means that e-juice does not contain nicotine at all
3 mg/ml
the lowest level, ideal for those who want to reduce the amount of nicotine
6 mg/ml used by people who wish to enjoy a full e-juice taste but with a low level
12 mg/ml
for those who used to smoke 1 pack a day
18 mg/ml
for those who used to smoke more than 1 pack a day
24 mg/ml
a very high level; for heavy smokers who used to smoke more than 2 packs a day
36 mg/ml
the highest level, For heavy smokers who need a higher nic level to stop smoking
 
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This article seems pretty accurate in recommended nic levels for smokers who want to quit using vaping at a satisfying nic conten

How to find the Best E Juice Nicotine Level&How Much Nicotine to Vape?

0 mg/ml means that e-juice does not contain nicotine at all
3 mg/ml
the lowest level, ideal for those who want to reduce the amount of nicotine
6 mg/ml used by people who wish to enjoy a full e-juice taste but with a low level
12 mg/ml
for those who used to smoke 1 pack a day
18 mg/ml
for those who used to smoke more than 1 pack a day
24 mg/ml
a very high level; for heavy smokers who used to smoke more than 2 packs a day
36 mg/ml
the highest level, used to dilute an e-juice with a low level of nicotine

My point was 50mg is high for a never smoker kid. Farsalinos started the ground work years ago using 45mg as equivalent to a heavy smoker but set max concentration at 24mg . It was a comparison of our standards vs JUUL.
 
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I want to know why all these "Concerned Parents" aren't screaming at the SCHOOLS for letting Juul on campus to talk to to their kids.
How the hell did that get approval from the School Board ?
 

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My point was 50mg is high for a never smoker kid.
Well then tell your never-smoker kid not to hit a Juul.

Heck, 18mg is high for a never-smoking adult. Just ask my never smoker wife who took one hit off one of my early eGo setups because it smelled so good. She had to sit down for a a few minutes.
 

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Well then tell your never-smoker kid not to hit a Juul.

Heck, 18mg is high for a never-smoking adult. Just ask my never smoker wife who took one hit off one of my early eGo setups because it smelled so good. She had to sit down for a a few minutes.

I got off the cigarettes using 24mg juice back in 2010. That level seemed about right at the time. Now, it would make me sit down until the buzz wore off!

I mixed up some 18mg unflavored a couple of weeks ago thinking I might be able to reduce my vaping frequency. After being at 3mg for years the 18mg gave me a noticeable buzz. I'm diluting it back down to 3mg and 6mg as needed. :)

I can see how high nic juice in the Juul could be used sparingly in situations where people have to go outside and smoke. I've read that nic intake lasts about 30 minutes at higher levels. We all used to go outside and smoke on breaks. I was lucky to be an outside tech rep who responded to service calls all day. I could go outside and smoke whenever i got the urge. Until the last vehicle trade I could smoke in the company vehicle.
 

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Well then tell your never-smoker kid not to hit a Juul.

Heck, 18mg is high for a never-smoking adult. Just ask my never smoker wife who took one hit off one of my early eGo setups because it smelled so good. She had to sit down for a a few minutes.
Too funny. Glad to hear she was ok! So why would they put 50 mg in them there pods? Hhmmm....i wonder how many kids hit the floor.
 
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