thick VG. Does it cause alot of phlem/mucas?

[billy7650]

I bought some 2mg 100% VG cappuccino from liberty flights. well this stuff is pretty thick! it gives a good throat hit, taste ok and massive vapor production, but after about a week of vaping it on my ego i have had alot of phlem in my throat and have been coughing it up. the weird thing is my girlfriend complains of the same thing and she doesnt even smoke or vape. she is just getting second hand vape from me i guess.
I know its not a cold because it goes away when i stop using the 100% vg for a day.
I might try diluiting it with distilled water. I have tried 50/50 vg/pg e juce from fsusa and BWB e juices but it seems i have the common allergy to pg. I'll get dry mouth, throat, canker sores,sore throat, ect. so i like straight vg only problem is the mucas.

anyone else have this problem with vg?

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

I know what you mean -- VG is definitely more oily than PG -- or at least it seems that way

I did a test the other day -- for some backstory, I got the flu last Saturday and the first few days I was too miserable and my throat hurt too much to vape so I didn't, but Monday night and all day Tuesday my throat still burned, but not bad enough that I couldn't vape

what I DID notice is that after a huge coughing fit, my lungs felt clear like I could breathe perfectly -- and as I was sitting there watching TV after clearing my lungs like that, if I took a few hits off my ecig I noticed that my lungs started feeling clogged up a little -- which made me cough again, which really ...... me off because I'd just cleared them and not enough time had passed (in my book) for my sickness to make me cough -- so it seemed like it MUST be coming from the juice

and it seemed to happen much more with VG juices than PG juices... so I decided to do a little test

I got some cotton pads -- those things girls use to take their makeup off -- I got a big pen, took all the guts out of it, put a cotton pad on one end of the empty pen tube and put a rubber band on the cotton pad to hold it in place, then I took 7 HUGE slow draws off some 100% PG juice, blowing each very slowly through the pen with the cotton pad on the opposite end, took the pad off, put a new one on, and did the same thing but with 100% VG juice and compared them

there was no discoloration whatsoever, despite the VG juice being brown (so that's cool), but there was a little wet spot on both, but only on one side of the cotton pad (didn't go through the pad more than 1/3 or 1/2way) -- so, not nearly as much as I thought there might be judging by how much vapor I was blowing through

to me this meant the cotton pad was too thick to really judge the results, so I did the same thing with both juices that I just did with the cotton pads, but this time I used one square of 2-ply toilet paper -- and did 5 hits apiece instead of 7, and the results were much more pronounced

both squares had a spot of what looked like moisture on them, but the one for the PG juice was less than half the size of the one from the VG -- touching it with my finger and then rubbing my thumb and finger together I could tell it wasn't moisture, it was oily! so that's a little strange, since I've heard from some people that we're exhaling water vapor.. the other strange thing was, I watched Conan and by the end of the show it had all evaporated! you couldn't tell there had been anything on either square of TP... so it was all gone after about 20 minutes

so on one hand I was a little concerned that five large hits leaves that much oily residue, because five big hits is maybe a drop, and I do probably 3-4ml a day -- so that's as much as 80 drops...

on the other hand, it seemed heartening that it all disappeared after a few minutes (would this happen in your lungs as well?)

so yeah, I understand where you're coming from -- I have a few questions on this point:

1. is it everyone's experience that VG is more 'oily' than PG
2. do you notice more that VG seems to clog your lungs than PG? (not asking people with PG allergies)
3. is it possible most of the residue left in your lungs from vaping evaporates?
4. does anyone know how effective lungs are at removing oily residue (probably a LOT easier than tar and ash....)

it'd be great to have as close to zero impact from vaping as we can get -- personally, I'd love as much flavor as possible and as much vapor as possible, and I'd like to vape ALL day if I feel like it, but I don't like much throat hit (unless I'm drinkin...) -- so with those preferences, until I came across the sense of getting clogged by VG I felt like my best option was 100% VG juices with double or triple flavor, and relatively low (8 or 12mg) nicotine, but if VG is gonna make it so that I have to constantly deal with coughing up oil or whatever... maybe I'll just go with PG, which I don't like because it dries me out like crazy and has way too much throat hit...

so yeah -- I hope any/all/some of this helped you either get answers or helped others answer YOUR questions

 

[UntamedRose]

Just thought I'd point out that coughin up phlem is an extremely common symptom of quitting smoking.

 

[billy7650]

hmm. i just tried a paper towel over the end of my ego and took 2 long draws and i can defenitly see some oil. i wonder if i used a piece of towel paper as a kind of filter integrated into my pv would it stop the oil throat issue. i'll try it and post my findings

 

[billy7650]

thats true too, but in my case i was only a weekend smoker and maybe not even that. i sometimes went weeks without smoking at all.

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

well you can't really go by what comes out of the mouth end of your PV -- some of that is gonna be bits of juice popping off the atomizer or cartomizer

that's why I used the pen tube and put the absorbent material on the opposite end -- and blew the entire hit into it -- I wanted to see what the absorbent material (pretend lungs) were getting from raw, unadulterated vape

so when I said I took a 7 or 5-second draw, that was all into my cheeks -- then blown directly into the pen/cotton/TP thingie -- to simulate what my lungs were getting from such a draw

 

[billy7650]

well you can't really go by what comes out of the mouth end of your PV -- some of that is gonna be bits of juice popping off the atomizer or cartomizer

that's why I used the pen tube and put the absorbent material on the opposite end -- and blew the entire hit into it -- I wanted to see what the absorbent material (pretend lungs) were getting from raw, unadulterated vape

so when I said I took a 7 or 5-second draw, that was all into my cheeks -- then blown directly into the pen/cotton/TP thingie -- to simulate what my lungs were getting from such a draw

true, but my test is going to see if it clears up the congestion from all the oil thats is popping into my lungs. so if i can keep it from getting ther in the first place, then it should work. idk, does seem silly to use a paper towel to filter my vape but gonna try it anyways.

 

[silkakc]

I use only VG and don't cut it with water or vodka. I have found that a couple flavors DO give me phlegm in my throat. Two for me were Butter Pecan and Belgium Waffle. But the other 30 flavors I've vaped did not give me phlegm!! I think it's a reaction to a flavoring ingredient for me.

Lori

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

what I meant by 'popping' was that -- even if you get some juice on your tongue, don't let the buildup of juice on your laboratory tongue (whatever that might be) suggest to you that that's what your lungs are getting -- which is mostly why I blew the vape into something else

I mean, it's not like you suck hard off the PV -- hard enough that the tiny drops of juice that end up on your tongue go into your lungs -- that's all I meant

if the goal is to test how much oily-ness is getting in your lungs, don't include the little tiny drops on your tongue

 

[SeanFromIthaca]

oh and uh -- btw, I will kindly thank you for being the first person on the ecig forum to quote me... I've spent a lot of time putting thought into exactly how to respond to many posts here, and you were the first to quote me :')

I love you...

jk... still, even though your quote was utilitarian, it's nice that it finally happened

only took me 130 posts...

 

[FreakyStylie]

Just thought I'd point out that coughin up phlem is an extremely common symptom of quitting smoking.

I've started coughing more lately because of this. It can take up to ~9 months for your sinuses to get back to normal. I'm getting thick post-nasal drip at night - real mucusy.

 

[billy7650]

your welcome.

 

[billy7650]

I use only VG and don't cut it with water or vodka. I have found that a couple flavors DO give me phlegm in my throat. Two for me were Butter Pecan and Belgium Waffle. But the other 30 flavors I've vaped did not give me phlegm!! I think it's a reaction to a flavoring ingredient for me.

Lori

did get some flue cure tobbaco and usa mix tobacco, both 100% vg , at the exact same time i got this thick ... cappuccino vg but i vape them all back to back so its hard to tell which is the culprit, but the tobbaco juices were alot thinner. maybe its just the thickness of the ejuice that does it? time will tell

 

[billy7650]

oh and uh -- btw, I will kindly thank you for being the first person on the ecig forum to quote me... I've spent a lot of time putting thought into exactly how to respond to many posts here, and you were the first to quote me :')

I love you...

jk... still, even though your quote was utilitarian, it's nice that it finally happened

only took me 130 posts...

your welcome, lol. i tried to quote this to u a second ago but its not always easy hitting the right buttons on here. and im so glad i got to finnaly pop someones quote cherry! that call for a nice vape on some applewood!

 

[JD1]

Hi Folks,

I think it's important to remember that it isn't really oil even if it fills like it. Here is the wiki on PG. Propylene glycol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ....and here is VG... Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both are considered to be a humectant. A lot of folks seem to think that's why vaping dries us out even more that analogs. In other words, the theory being that the vape pulls moisture to itself from our throat and lungs. As a coating on our lungs tho, I would think this would be benificial, but I don't know what effect the flavors might have and I can see where that might vary with different flavors.

Glycerin is often sold for topical use. This is from the Walmart ad: helps prevent And temporarily protects chafed, chapped, cracked or windburned skin And lips. Walmart Humco Humco: Skin Protectant Glycerin USP, 6 Oz : Questions, Answers, How To, FAQs, Tips, Advice, Answers, Buying Guide

I do know that at about two weeks into vaping, I had a period where I was coughing up very heavy phlegm. My coughing was very productive tho and since it was clear, I knew there was no infection. It cleared up after a couple of days.