Thinking mechanical. Where would you start with rebuilt coils?

[pauly walnuts]

First off, I realize a mechanical mod is a straight line from a protected battery, right to your coil. (I will research kicks later)
Second, I will also research fuses and protected battery related issues.

My main questions are
a Do the different battery types used in mechanical mods require different coil types (guages, ohms) to be efficient? exc. "an 18650 battery prefers a 28guage micro coil at .08-1.2ohm" or "and 18350 battery prefers a 30ga 5/16" coil at 1.0-1.5 ohms" (both purely for example)
If this idea is the case, what would be a good starting point for either an 18650 or 18350 battery?

b Is it all trial and error? I found the best rebuilds by going off he beaten path and twisting 32ga kanthal for my protank coils, 28 and 30 ga cant touch them for flavor and vapor.

c Can you guys point me in the right direction for both questions, past threads, youtube vids, or links that helped you out when rebuilding for mechanicals.

 

[edyle]

First off, I realize a mechanical mod is a straight line from a protected battery, right to your coil. (I will research kicks later)
Second, I will also research fuses and protected battery related issues.

My main questions are
a Do the different battery types used in mechanical mods require different coil types (guages, ohms) to be efficient? exc. "an 18650 battery prefers a 28guage micro coil at .08-1.2ohm" or "and 18350 battery prefers a 30ga 5/16" coil at 1.0-1.5 ohms" (both purely for example)
If this idea is the case, what would be a good starting point for either an 18650 or 18350 battery?

b Is it all trial and error? I found the best rebuilds by going off he beaten path and twisting 32ga kanthal for my protank coils, 28 and 30 ga cant touch them for flavor and vapor.

c Can you guys point me in the right direction for both questions, past threads, youtube vids, or links that helped you out when rebuilding for mechanicals.

I don't undertand the title question. But a good place to start with rebuilding coils would be a dripper.

a) The bigger batteries of the same type would usually have higher capacity and power

b) Trial and error sure goes a long way. Experience.

c) Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[Submaniac]

A) I think I get what you are asking, and no they don't "prefer" a gauge or number of wraps to be efficient. The choice of wire choice and wraps is usually kind of a personal decision someone prefers. HOWEVER, when you are rebuilding a coil you need to understand Ohm's law (this is the first thing you NEED to research) to understand whether you are drawing more maximum power (amps) than the battery is capable of safely delivering. If you exceed the batteries maximum it MAY EXPLODE (so this is why you need to research this first). It is kind of complicated, but generally the 18650 is a larger battery with better capacity and more room for safety. If you are using the smaller 18350, it has smaller capacity and it is easier to exceed its maximum than an 18650. So if you are going to start, do it on an 18650 for the sake of safety. The gauge of the wire used, and the number of wraps determines the resistance of the atomizer, which is one of the factors considered in making your Ohm's law calculations.

(2) Trial and error is how alot of us learn (including me). It is better if you know someone who has experience so they can guide you (to avoid the error resulting in battery explosion). But if you take your time and UNDERSTAND OHM'S LAW (number 1 priority) you can teach yourself by reading forums and youtube videos. If you are looking for someone to give you advice, I say stop by a local vape shop and just talk to them.

(3) This forum is a good start. Youtube is a good start. I think, though, if it was me I would look at a yellow pages and just go to a local shop that has a coil rebuild station and talk to the person there.

 

[Submaniac]

^^^^^^And UNDERSTAND OHM'S LAW, UNDERSTAND OHM'S LAW, UNDERSTAND OHM'S LAW, UNDERSTAND OHM'S LAW

 

[edyle]

btw sub, do you have a regulated mod to work with.

 

[Submaniac]

I still have the old vamo and lavatube I had when I was starting out. Pretty much switched over to mechanical. Use the Vamo just for the ohm reading capabilities.

 

[GrandSam]

A. Not really. Most low-ohm builders will suggest a higher drain/amp battery. These batteries also work phenomenally with all builds, atomizers, etc. Try purchasing a pair of Sony VTC4 or VTC5 batteries.

B. Yes, most people start off simple (single coil, a few wraps. They move on to dual coils, then experiment with different wires [flat kanthal for example], then unique builds). You'll eventually be able to estimate how high the resistance will be simply based on the number of wraps and the diameter of the object you are wrapping on.

C. Youtube is full on videos. Type "coil build" and some should pop up. Rip Trippers has tons of builds posted, check out his simpler builds.

 

[pauly walnuts]

I also have a vamo which is my main vape now, which I can use for a ohm meter.

Grandslam, good batteries are something I do not have. Im using a couple tangsfire 18650s which work pretty well in my vamo, but I would not trust one bit in a mechanical.

I have experimented with as many different coil combinations as my little protank coil housings will allow, but im looking to broaden my horizons with a kayfun set up and a mech mod eventually.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

The Kayfun is awesome, and you don't need a mech mod to use one now. I'm also thinking of trying a mech mod out. I decided to learn to build first, and am making my way through various toppers. Started with a Nimbus clone, which has a nice size base to learn a bit on. Three posts, with holes drilled in them that you can put the resistance wire though and tighten down with screws. Very easy to deal with, rather then winding the wire around posts. You can do dual coils with three posts, but I kept it simple with a single microcoil and cotton. Next I got a Kracken clone, a genesis style tank. I don't mess with stainless steel mesh though. Set it up with a microcoil and some cotton in auto drip mode. Simple, great taste at 2 ohms. I got a Kayfun Lite clone this weekend, and have it set up at 1.5 ohms again, with cotton. I'd place the Kayfun in the middle of difficulty getting set up. Easier then the Kracken, not quite as easy as the nimbus with those handy holes drilled out. I feel like I'm almost ready for a mech now, as I'm learning how many wraps will get me the resistance I want and I'm learning the quirks of different, popular types of toppers. You don't need a mech to learn toppers for now, and in fact, I feel safer learning how to build with regulated devices.

 

[GrandSam]

Looks like you're on the right track. As mentioned, you need to be careful in general, with mech mods. Eventually you learn when to switch the batteries without needing a voltage meter/reader. The vapor production decreases, and you get less of a "full" feeling in your mouth. This happens around 3.6 volts on most batteries, which gives you a .2-.4 grace period; which is plenty.

Might I suggest a dripper for the time being? They're great when it comes to practicing coil builds.

 

[edyle]

The Kayfun is awesome, and you don't need a mech mod to use one now. I'm also thinking of trying a mech mod out. I decided to learn to build first, and am making my way through various toppers. Started with a Nimbus clone, which has a nice size base to learn a bit on. Three posts, with holes drilled in them that you can put the resistance wire though and tighten down with screws. Very easy to deal with, rather then winding the wire around posts. You can do dual coils with three posts, but I kept it simple with a single microcoil and cotton. Next I got a Kracken clone, a genesis style tank. I don't mess with stainless steel mesh though. Set it up with a microcoil and some cotton in auto drip mode. Simple, great taste at 2 ohms. I got a Kayfun Lite clone this weekend, and have it set up at 1.5 ohms again, with cotton. I'd place the Kayfun in the middle of difficulty getting set up. Easier then the Kracken, not quite as easy as the nimbus with those handy holes drilled out. I feel like I'm almost ready for a mech now, as I'm learning how many wraps will get me the resistance I want and I'm learning the quirks of different, popular types of toppers. You don't need a mech to learn toppers for now, and in fact, I feel safer learning how to build with regulated devices.

auto drip mode? you mean turning the kraken upside down with the wickholes open so that the liquid drips out onto the cotton?

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

auto drip mode? you mean turning the kraken upside down with the wickholes open so that the liquid drips out onto the cotton?

Pretty much. The wick does extend into the tank a bit. I followed Rip Tripper's video. It's simple enough. Leaks when on its side, so it's not idea, for commuting, but the taste is great. It'll be mostly an at home tank I think, with my cartotanks and Kayfun'ss as my commuter tanks.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Oh, and I vape at a tilt anyway, so the tilt doesn't bother me.

 

[jhelliwell]

With a regulated mod, you're better off running a mid-range resistance coil. Most regulated mods won't fire below 1 ohm, so something like 1.4 to 1.6 ohms is fine.

With a mech mod, in pure mechanical mode, obviously the resistance of the coil you build will be your only way of tuning your power. If you put a 1.8ohm coil in there it isn't gonig to perform very well. If you put a 1.5 ohm coil in there it may well be fine with your battery at 4.2V (fully charged) but you're going to get pretty fed up when your battery is at 3.7V, and you want a wider "vaping window", so you go lower.

1.2ohms is about right. 1.0 is even better, but it's a nice warm vape, maybe a bit harsh until you get used to it, and you don't get fed up until around 3.4V which is about right.

Ohms law is a good thing to learn!

 

[edyle]

Pretty much. The wick does extend into the tank a bit. I followed Rip Tripper's video. It's simple enough. Leaks when on its side, so it's not idea, for commuting, but the taste is great. It'll be mostly an at home tank I think, with my cartotanks and Kayfun'ss as my commuter tanks.

Ok, I'm convinced; gonna order a kraken soon.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Ok, I'm convinced; gonna order a kraken soon.

If you like drippers, you should like it. You can also do a horizontal coil with the cotton wick extending into the tank through both holes, which is what I'm going to try next. For now, I've got the vertical coil set over just the one hole.