This is scary

[Can_supplier]

Like I said in my last post, that's all fine and dandy except for the poor kids whose parents won't allow them to get vaccinated.

Your argument that we should all be vaccinated is based on a principle of medicine. Vaccinating most will protect those who are not.

As it stands now enough of the population is vaccinated so that those who are not are reasonably protected.

Medicine is not an exact science. The flu vaccine is designed each year for a strain of the flu they expect to get. They can be wrong which is why the flu vaccine isn’t a guarantee you will not get the flu. It is possible that they can completely miss and the vaccine given to everyone is completely ineffective, just as if no one had received it in the 1^st place.

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theory that medicine is evil and out to harm us. But without a doubt I know the drug companies are out there to profit. Vaccinating the elderly and the weak for the flu makes sense, as for the rest of us, healthy enough to fight it off, I don’t see a reason for it. I do see it as more being about profit rather than necessity Getting the contract from the government to produce a vaccine for every citizens would be a very lucrative deal.

Just my 2 cents.. Without a medical background.

 

[teabagger]

Heck if this keeps more kids alive, because charities can afford buy more vaccines for the impoverished then im all for it. Judging by how well their birth control works...

 

[Ms. Creant]

The more the media pushes something down our throats, the less credibility I give it. Case-in-point: Swine Flu Epidemic of a couple years ago. Every time they say there's going to be a global shortage of something like sugar or rice and that the prices are going to skyrocket, the price may go up a bit for a little while, caused by the media scare tactics then prices settle down again. Sometimes the prices fall even lower than before the media scare tactics started because those that use large quantities bought a lot and now they have stockpiles so there is less demand.

Click here if you love scare tactics in the media

 

[Concat]

What about the new H5N1 virus that some Scientist created in the Netherlands?

Dutch Researcher Created A Super-Influenza Virus With The Potential To Kill Millions

It's like the script for Outbreak 2.

 

[Mindfield]

Diptheria. Whooping cough. Polio. Tetanus. Measles. Mumps. Rubella. Meningitis C. Kids in first world countries these days don't get these. Vaccination is why. The fact that these diseases have so little prevalence anymore (and in the case of smallpox, zero prevalence) that they give some of you the leisure to question whether vaccination is even necessary is a direct result of the very vaccinations whose necessity you question.

 

[Can_supplier]

Diptheria. The fact that these diseases have so little prevalence anymore (and in the case of smallpox, zero prevalence) that they give some of you the leisure to question whether vaccination is even necessary is a direct result of the very vaccinations whose necessity you question.

That some vaccinations have value if taken by all, doesn't mean that you should take everyone on the market. The rabies vaccine is effective in the prevention of rabies, but that doesn't mean that everyone should be taking it.

 

[Switched]

+1 for another nut-job from end of Vietnam era.

I have health issues wrt to some of the vaccination I have received, defending liberties folks take for granted. It doesn't matter where vaccinations come from, no one will ever stick me again. Cheers brother <--- on me.

 

[Switched]

A show on 20/20 the other night focused on children in the US foster care system who were being super medicated even when nothing was wrong with them cause it made it easier to control them.

I've never been a conspiracy theory kinda gal - but the pharma companies are starting to make me wonder. Meds are supposed to be for treating real disorders, disease and illness - not for treating "humanity" as if it were a condition.

You are starting to see the picture Kat.

 

[Switched]

From a doctor friend.. He could dine out every night at the best restaurants, and vacation every weekend at the best resort by events drug companies put on. Medical conferences are put on by drug companies. Drug stores and Doctor's offices share the same space... There is no question what is going on.

Now a point in favor of China. They tend not to promote their products in the manner.... Could they be the answer to over medicating?

What does that tell you?

 

[Switched]

When the swine flu epidemic hit a couple of years ago, health authorities lead us to believe that without the vaccine, you were at great risk....even 'deadly' risk. They encouraged everyone and their dog to get the vaccine...then, they didn't have enough vaccine to go around, so, they began to ration their supply by allowing only health care professionals and 'highest risk' individuals to receive the vaccine first. It was crazy!!! People were lined up for hours before designated clinics even opened in order to receive the vaccine only to be turned away because demand exceeded supply. I opted to forgo the 'free clinic' offers for myself and my 4 kids. Guess what? We survived with our immune systems intact.

The part you have forgotten to mention CG is that once upon a time before Oct 2009, they had enough to vaccinate all US citizens. What happened to the supply, and why all of a sudden supplies ran low after a bunch of "non desirables" (Polish I think, or some other Eastern block country) died in the hundredths after vaccination.

ETA: Public record... why was the patent on the vaccine for H1N1 applied for in early December 2008 when the first news/death from H1N1 occurred in Apr 2009. Puts foil hat back on...

 

[Switched]

So, if I understand correctly, your saying that people need to get vaccinated in order to save other peoples lives? You can't put that type of pressure on people, your basically saying that a non vaccinated person is responsible for another non vaccinated persons death. In you example, it would be the old lady in the grocery store responsibility to get herself vaccinated.

Next thing we will here, think about the children. AYB your off base on this one. I respected your opinion in the past, please research vaccinations. Sorry as usual you didn't do your homework.

 

[Switched]

I am just an American nobody really, i was one of those" terrible" parents that chose not to vac. my own children in the days when there was little on the subject, they grew to be healthy adults & now they make their life decisions for my grandchildren & there is alot more info. on the subject, so i am one to prefer a choice in such important life issues for all involved.

Dang! What a cruel and thoughtless parent you were Ya mean they are all healthy and well? Ya did them a favour

 

[Mindfield]

That some vaccinations have value if taken by all, doesn't mean that you should take everyone on the market. The rabies vaccine is effective in the prevention of rabies, but that doesn't mean that everyone should be taking it.

Naturally not, of course; the right vaccine for the right issue at the right time. By the same token however, neither should you eschew all of them entirely out of hand because there is no conclusive proof that they are not linked to some other illness. That way lies tinfoil, because that proof is likely never going to be forthcoming. All known medical data -- much like all known scientific data, and as far as that goes, everything we know as a whole -- is merely a plurality of observations taken over time and and made into theory when the results of those observations remains consistent for as long as they are observed under the conditions of the tests they are subjected to. The scientific process, in other words, a process that is never written in stone because by its very nature it remains subject to change if and when new data presents itself.

Everything we know to be true right now is true because there is as yet no evidence to the contrary, and this is kind of the point I'm trying to make in favor of vaccines and against the anti-vax mentality: What we know to be true about the vaccines we have now -- no matter which ones we're talking about -- result in a medicine whose known efficacy is, so far as we know up to this point, better than the possibilities that can come from the alternative of not taking it when appropriate. Worrying about what else the vaccines might do to you, especially if it is a worry stemming from links to other illnesses that are tenuous and preliminary at best, wholly fabricated at worst can have results that may end up be worse than anything you think the vaccine might to do you in addition to what it's supposed to do.

And like I said, I am also against over-medicating, too -- that does far more harm than good in the long term. (See also: The dwindling efficacy of penicillin from being over-prescribed for every damn thing) But it is, in my opinion, foolhardy to dismiss any medication out of some sort of principle against BP or ephemeral and misplaced fear.

 

[Switched]

*SNIP

I don’t buy into the conspiracy theory that medicine is evil and out to harm us. But without a doubt I know the drug companies are out there to profit. Vaccinating the elderly and the weak for the flu makes sense, as for the rest of us, healthy enough to fight it off, I don’t see a reason for it. I do see it as more being about profit rather than necessity Getting the contract from the government to produce a vaccine for every citizens would be a very lucrative deal.

Just my 2 cents.. Without a medical background.

It is not the medicine thats evil, nor the administrators of said medicine. It is the people behind the medicine, who are far worse than the medicine itself. The sick and the elderly, those who should get the annual vaccine are waisting valuable oxygen, or haven't you read that.

Keep in mind the elderly although extremely wise are not as informed as today's society is, Statistics are there wrt seniors falling ill from the flue vaccine.

The most responsible parent in the world is the one that allows their child to develop an immune system, rather than treat symptoms to mask and comfort the ailment. Who is behind fixing things? Oh I forgot big pharma. Hum...

 

[Vapeterry]

I do not have misplaced fear. There is more evidence to the dangers of vaccines out in the open now than when i had to stand many years ago against the onslaught of people who were clueless.

 

[Not Iris]

Neither my brothers nor I had any vaccines when we were children. My parents were of the mindset that immunities should be built, not inhibited. None of us got sick, no measles, no mumps, no chickenpox or any of the childhood diseases.

My husband gets the flu shot, I do not get the flu shot. He gets the flu every winter and I remain flu free.

My tinfoil hat is firmly in place.

 

[Switched]

Neither my brothers nor I had any vaccines when we were children. My parents were of the mindset that immunities should be built, not inhibited. None of us got sick, no measles, no mumps, no chickenpox or any of the childhood diseases.

My husband gets the flu shot, I do not get the flu shot. He gets the flu every winter and I remain flu free.

My tinfoil hat is firmly in place.

I think your hubby is nothing more than a weakling getting sick from a flue shot pfft!

PS: Due you use regular or extra strength tinfoil? I use the BBQ type myself

 

[Switched]

I do not have misplaced fear. There is more evidence to the dangers of vaccines out in the open now than when i had to stand many years ago against the onslaught of people who were clueless.

Yup ! I remember agent orange was safe as well.

 

[Can_supplier]

The most responsible parent in the world is the one that allows their child to develop an immune system, rather than treat symptoms to mask and comfort the ailment. Who is behind fixing things? Oh I forgot big pharma. Hum...

You don't forum an immune system to say Rabies (I apologize for all the rabies/animal examples here, just my background is more in this area so its what comes to my head 1st).. A vaccine could well save your life, if needed and has merit.

Your more accurate statement was the one before, "It is not the medicine thats evil, nor the administrators of said medicine. It is the people behind the medicine, who are far worse than the medicine itself".. Which I assume refers to over medicating.

I don't think I share the same view that the elderly are a waste of oxygen tho.

 

[Not Iris]

Switched... Hubby is a wimp! shhhh don't tell him I said that.

I use a lasagna pan to make my tin foil hats.