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I'm all for it -- if there is major oversight, extremely high quality control and safety inspections, and the distribution channels are tightly regulated and controlled. Lead paint and melamine cat food is bad enough, but dealing directly with products that can immediately and profoundly effect human life is another ball game entirely. China is going to have a lot of proving to do after past scandals, and they're going to have to make it utterly impossible for anyone but fully authorized and accredited companies to make, test and distribute this stuff -- and also make it impossible to fake accreditation. Because one single slip-up and nobody will ever trust a Chinese vaccine again -- never mind that it would just be more fuel for the anti-vax Jenny McCarthy nutjobs of the world.
I wouldn't worry about it, China made some mistakes, but they're learning fast and in the article it did say that the WHO said they meet international standards. And did you know that 2 people involved in the tainted milk powder in china in 2008 got the death sentence? Two get death in tainted milk case
They can't get away with it and they learn. I just wish we had the same laws here in north america. People makes crappy products, fraud everyone, gets a few months in prison and get away with it
They can't get away with it and they learn. I just wish we had the same laws here in north america. People makes crappy products, fraud everyone, gets a few months in prison and get away with it
I read this wiki entry not that long ago. Relevant, and quite interesting...
Food safety incidents in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I didn't even know they could make soy sauce out of human hair.
Food safety incidents in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I didn't even know they could make soy sauce out of human hair.
When you really think about it though, look at how many products that come from China everyday, literally millions daily. With a record like that, there's bound to be a few screwed up products over the years. Not saying it ok for people to get sick or die from a product, but its not really a surprise when you take into account the volume of stuff that comes from there.
I'm scared for my nephews and familly, because vaccination is now mandatory in all school's, and of course we know that our school boards are so cheap that they will jump on those vaccines like misery on poor people. On the other side I'm one of those anti-vaccination nutjob, i havent had any vaccine in a very very very long time. I got a few tatoo's and I prefer by far being tatooed than getting any other foreign substance in my bloodstream. Since at least i never seen a tainted tatoo ink scandal
I only believe in getting vaccinated for serious diseases, like meningitis, or influenza for older people... and various other immunizations for people who work in in Health Care.
Mass vaccinations for influenza seems unnecessary, and maybe I'm just paranoid, but when they have them like twice a year... and so many people get them... seems to me it's only a matter of time before there's an incident...
Mass vaccinations for influenza seems unnecessary, and maybe I'm just paranoid, but when they have them like twice a year... and so many people get them... seems to me it's only a matter of time before there's an incident...
Being a Gulf War vet '91, I have a right to distrust them and be part of the nut job club
I believe that when I go to the doctor from here on out, I'll ask where the drugs/vacs are coming from. If she says China, I have every intention of telling her to stick it...where the sun doesn't shine and I don't mean in me.
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I do actually agree that flu vaccinations (not necessarily including bad strains like bird or swine) are unnecessary, at least in such frequency, as I think overmedication is what breeds these stronger strains in the first place. However, one can't deny that vaccinations have been instrumental in drastically reducing or even virtually eliminating many diseases that were one crippling and even fatal, and that for many things vaccinations do help a great deal -- not just for the people getting the vaccinations, but from those they interact with and could spread disease to if they hadn't been vaccinated.
That said though it would take a long time and a lot of proving before I'd trust a Chinese vaccine. I'd want to see its pedigree and certifications and proof that those certs are legit before I'd consider it.
That said though it would take a long time and a lot of proving before I'd trust a Chinese vaccine. I'd want to see its pedigree and certifications and proof that those certs are legit before I'd consider it.
Few bad apples in every barrel, but when your barrel is half the population of earth...
I'm all for competition though, pharmecuticals industry could use some more anyhow give er, the consumers will decide if it's a good decision or not at the end of the day.
I'm all for competition though, pharmecuticals industry could use some more anyhow give er, the consumers will decide if it's a good decision or not at the end of the day.
It's insane how drug happy America is... seems like everyone takes something.
Just watch an hour of an American channel and I swear every 3rd commercial is for some "new" drug. And don't even get me started on how they corner the market and over price these drugs.
Just watch an hour of an American channel and I swear every 3rd commercial is for some "new" drug. And don't even get me started on how they corner the market and over price these drugs.
There is reason to distrust China, there is reason to distrust everyone…
The business philosophy in China in the past has been fast and cheap, as long as it’s those quality doesn’t matter. In the west here, we actually value quality and will place it above fast and cheap. China has learnt that, and has realigned their practices to meet our expectations. My background is the manufacturing industry, and I have watched China go from a producer of junk, to putting out great work. Their manufacturing process are now world class for quality, while being rock bottom for price.
Based on that, I believe China is in a position now where they could produce vaccines at a level of quality we expect. However I do understand why others are skeptical, especially considering what the media feeds us.
Quality and safety of the vaccines is not the real issue here, its economics. China has desecrated the north American manufacturing industry. We do not manufacture things here anymore, which is the reason why we are in and cannot get out of the poor finical shape we are in. Yes the banks crashed, the financial industry takes the blame, but really the cause was there wasn’t any money to support them. Businesses are closing, people are out of work.
If we lose another industry, pharmaceutical to China, we are going to be in even worse shape…
I see the fear tacks exercised over Chinese products as not justified nor the truth, but a way to express that we are in trouble. The north American pharmaceutical industry cannot come out and say if China enters the game, they are going to drive prices down, and we will be out of business. Fear seems to be the only card they can play. A truthful position like that, will gain no public support as everyone will say, you are charging us too much then, ignoring the fact that their profits keep our economy going and people employed.
We are at war with China, and few people know that. It’s a war were there won’t be a single shot fired, it’s an economic war. They are slowly bleeding us dry, taking over every industry and source of income we have, while taking all our wealth. The end result will be more devastating than if they bombed the whole country.
The business philosophy in China in the past has been fast and cheap, as long as it’s those quality doesn’t matter. In the west here, we actually value quality and will place it above fast and cheap. China has learnt that, and has realigned their practices to meet our expectations. My background is the manufacturing industry, and I have watched China go from a producer of junk, to putting out great work. Their manufacturing process are now world class for quality, while being rock bottom for price.
Based on that, I believe China is in a position now where they could produce vaccines at a level of quality we expect. However I do understand why others are skeptical, especially considering what the media feeds us.
Quality and safety of the vaccines is not the real issue here, its economics. China has desecrated the north American manufacturing industry. We do not manufacture things here anymore, which is the reason why we are in and cannot get out of the poor finical shape we are in. Yes the banks crashed, the financial industry takes the blame, but really the cause was there wasn’t any money to support them. Businesses are closing, people are out of work.
If we lose another industry, pharmaceutical to China, we are going to be in even worse shape…
I see the fear tacks exercised over Chinese products as not justified nor the truth, but a way to express that we are in trouble. The north American pharmaceutical industry cannot come out and say if China enters the game, they are going to drive prices down, and we will be out of business. Fear seems to be the only card they can play. A truthful position like that, will gain no public support as everyone will say, you are charging us too much then, ignoring the fact that their profits keep our economy going and people employed.
We are at war with China, and few people know that. It’s a war were there won’t be a single shot fired, it’s an economic war. They are slowly bleeding us dry, taking over every industry and source of income we have, while taking all our wealth. The end result will be more devastating than if they bombed the whole country.
It's not so much the ligitimate drugs that would come from there that you have to worry about, it's the counterfeit stuff you should worry about.
Counterfeit medications - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Counterfeit medications - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For China to enter the drug market they would have to clamp down on any counterfeiting. The government over there certainly has the power and control to do that.
Taking that thought a bit deeper, rather than counterfeit, which would mean a possibly poorly manufactured cheap product without authorization, how about generic? Once a drug is invented it is very easy for another company to reproduce that drug and sell it in generic form. Over here we have patent laws that provide protection to the company that developed the drug so they can recover their costs to create it (and hugely profit). China doesn't have nor do they value that type of law. If they enter the market, its free game to make whatever they want for whatever price they choose. It completely changes how the drug industry works and profits.
A show on 20/20 the other night focused on children in the US foster care system who were being super medicated even when nothing was wrong with them cause it made it easier to control them.
I've never been a conspiracy theory kinda gal - but the pharma companies are starting to make me wonder. Meds are supposed to be for treating real disorders, disease and illness - not for treating "humanity" as if it were a condition.
From a doctor friend.. He could dine out every night at the best restaurants, and vacation every weekend at the best resort by events drug companies put on. Medical conferences are put on by drug companies. Drug stores and Doctor's offices share the same space... There is no question what is going on.
Now a point in favor of China. They tend not to promote their products in the manner.... Could they be the answer to over medicating?
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