This lady starts off with some sense, then goes full bore idiot.

[guambred]

www. northjersey .com/news/health/other_health/248696771_My_Word_-_March_5__2014__E-cigarettes_tell_the_same_old_stogie.html?c=y&page=2
My Word - March 5, 2014: E-cigarettes tell the same old stogie : page 2 - NorthJersey.com


First time trying to post a thread, hope it works.

 

[guambred]

Of course I had to respond.............


Mrs Stewart, it seems you have all the answers!!! I'm sure your research was pretty intensive, I mean it is obvious you and I, dont like flavors, as adults we outgrew them, I personaly love the taste of ashes. Flashy nice colors? Your Prius must be a nuetral shade of grey, because when we reached puberty, all intrest in anything to draw attention was lost. Your husband must have been so releived to not have to buy any jewlery for you.
Most of the former smokers who dared try these electrc devil sticks and quit using those beautifully scented chemical filled tobacco pruducts are bad people who deserve a relapse because they did not have your iron will to stop cold turkey. The rest of the population who are still sucking on the heavenly 4000+ burnt chemicals deserve their slow death because they are too stupid to have started smoking, Heaven forbid they have a choice. These electronic devil sticks must be banned, or so heavly taxed and regulated as to make them a mere footnote in history. God forbid they might be a better way to stop smoking, we know He hates smokers.
Big Pharma has done so well with the patches, gum, lozenges, and "Happy Pills". They all worked just fine for me each time I tried them, so well in fact I kept going back to the smokes just for the wonderfull feeling of starting over again. Pay no attention to the hundreds of dollars I shelled out each and every time I tried them for the past 20+ years. Think of it as my "contribution" to research. These Big medical companies deserve every penny they get, after all they do such a great job dont they!
Big tobacco has nothing to fear. They have made all the money they will ever need. This electric devil stick is no threat to them, because its assumed it might not be as safe as the pristine Los Angeles city air. The dummies that use them will eventualy die and go to the hell they belong in. Think of all the children who will be saved the anguish of their parents living healthier, longer lives. Big Tobacco has plans for them, and has always had them in their best intrest, After all "The children are 'our' (Big Tobacco) future". With 4000+ chemicals there is no reason to tweak them any more to make them just a bit harder to give up now? Nah, they would never do that.
Those sin taxes are great arent they? Perfectly designed to milk every last cent of disposable income of the poorest of idiots like me, who might not have the resourses great minds like you do. I bet none of that money EVER makes its way into any lawmakers pocket, and if it ever had happened I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding. I am almost positive it has all gone to programs like tobacco and alcohol awareness. Speaking of alcohol, those fruity vodkas and liqures are probably aimed at the poor children, because as adults we dont like flavors, pass the water and unsalted crackers please.
This Great nation of ours needs more great thinkers like you to keep spoon feeding the idiot masses like me half truths and lies. After all, its why our forefathers wanted. Lots of government control over us unejumacated sheep. Keep us happy with all our gadgets, cheeseburgers, booze, and cigarettes. I always wanted a NANNY!! "ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GOVERNMENT"!!!!!!

 

[TNT]

As reported last week by Fox News, the Supersmoker Bluetooth not only allows you to get a nicotine fix anywhere, it also takes phone calls and plays MP3 files. You can even wear it around your neck. All for just $99!

Well, thanks for that info... now I know my next purchase.

 

[rothenbj]

I think she should devote her time to the obesity epidemic; something she might be able to understand.

 

[twgbonehead]

Guambred,

When posting links about negative (or inane) articles, you should "break the link". This is so search engines won't give the article credibility based on the popularity of ECF.


What a bizarre read, though.....

 

[Bramble]

I think she should devote her time to the obesity epidemic; something she might be able to understand.

You can't tell me she doesn't understand the idea that people like flavors.

I don't like to comment on most of these articles because whenever an ANTZ goes off on the "that's bad for you" mantra, I have a tendency to go into Condescending Vegan mode. It isn't pretty when that happens.

 

[guambred]

Guambred,

When posting links about negative (or inane) articles, you should "break the link". This is so search engines won't give the article credibility based on the popularity of ECF.


What a bizarre read, though.....

For future refrence how do I "break the link"? Thanks.

 

[AgentAnia]

The easiest ways to break a link is to either add spaces as I've done first below, or replace the "http" with "hxxp." Some people like to simply add a return to break up the line.

http://www .e-cigarette-forum. com/forum/media-general-news/536591-lady-starts-off-some-sense-then-goes-full-bore-idiot.html

hxxp://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/536591-lady-starts-off-some-sense-then-goes-full-bore-idiot.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum
.com/forum/media-general-news/536591-lady-starts-off-some-sense-then-goes-full-bore-idiot.html

You can check out the "official" ECF policy on breaking junk-science links here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

 

[sonicdsl]

I remove the http:// as well, as that gives partial linkage (and your browser will fill that in for you anyway).

 

[DrMA]

Paraphrasing the article... What a scam. There is no evidence that ignorant stupidity is harmless. In fact, crude aberrations such as these are quite likely to cause most people cardiovascular problems, as well as have a measurable negative impact on public health. If you hope not to become a statistic under that column, your only course of action is to avoid such blatant stupidity and ignorance.

 

[guambred]

The easiest ways to break a link is to either add spaces as I've done first below, or replace the "http" with "hxxp." Some people like to simply add a return to break up the line.

http://www .e-cigarette-forum. com/forum/media-general-news/536591-lady-starts-off-some-sense-then-goes-full-bore-idiot.html

hxxp://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/536591-lady-starts-off-some-sense-then-goes-full-bore-idiot.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum
.com/forum/media-general-news/536591-lady-starts-off-some-sense-then-goes-full-bore-idiot.html

You can check out the "official" ECF policy on breaking junk-science links here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-links-junk-science-other-rubbish-posts.html

Thank you!!!

 

[Anjaffm]

Now, I have got nothing against chubby people. I am not skinny myself We all have our little vices.

But for a woman who is extremely obese to attack the harmless vices of other people - now that is hypocrisy taken to the extreme.
And I do wonder whether she herself is opposed to tasting flavors on her tongue. Got that body by living on gruel and tap water,eh?
Or may it have been just a little "kid-friendly flavors like cookies-and-cream milkshake" ?

As Jesus Christ has said:
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

And some extremely obese woman pointing her finger at the harmless vices of others, that just does not cut it.

 

[rothenbj]

Mosy of us carry a few unneeded pounds, but really! She is sitting on the edge of being the direct targetr of the next nanny state attack and she's just to ignorant to understand it, plus not knowing the target of her literary attack.

 

[Bramble]

Mosy of us carry a few unneeded pounds, but really! She is sitting on the edge of being the direct targetr of the next nanny state attack and she's just to ignorant to understand it, plus not knowing the target of her literary attack.

Now, I have got nothing against chubby people. I am not skinny myself We all have our little vices.

But for a woman who is extremely obese to attack the harmless vices of other people - now that is hypocrisy taken to the extreme.
And I do wonder whether she herself is opposed to tasting flavors on her tongue. Got that body by living on gruel and tap water,eh?
Or may it have been just a little "kid-friendly flavors like cookies-and-cream milkshake" ?

As Jesus Christ has said:
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

And some extremely obese woman pointing her finger at the harmless vices of others, that just does not cut it.

Yes, and it is interesting. And sad. Most obese people know what it's like to be unfairly judged, called weak, lazy, and lacking self-control, being bullied by self-righteous health nazis about their lifestyles.

Yet they often use smoking (and now vaping, apparently) to turn around and do the same thing to others. I guess it makes them feel better about themselves.

 

[AgentAnia]

Seems to me this woman is a perfect example of "schoolyard bully."

 

[sdennislee]

After the nanny states and politicians ban our ecigs they will go after her super sized fries and big macs. Then she will asking why the rest of us don't understand how wrong it to ban fatty foods. Please come stand with me to defend fatty foods.

Sheeple only get involved when the government is after something they personally care about. If the proposed ban doesn't affect them they remain silent.

How many of the outraged vapors in Los Angles sat back silently when CA enacted some of the most outrageous gun control laws? If they were totally against guns then I understand them not speaking. It's the ones who said quietly to themselves "well it doesn't affect me no biggie" Once you allow the government to take something or ban it, it becomes easier to ban the next item.

When smoking was banned on airplanes to you think they really started out with the idea in mind that we will restrict smoking to this section of the aircraft only or was their end game to completely eliminate smoking on planes. They eased us into it by saying you can only smoke in these rows, once we became accustomed that minor ban, they then banned cigs on flights less than 2 hours, they once again allowed us to adjust to that then they banned smoking on all domestic flights regardless of length, again we became accustomed that and finally they banded all smoking on aircraft. I suggest to you that was their end game from the start but knew if they attempted the total ban first they would have a mutiny on their hands.

This is the boiling the frog story. If you throw a frog in to boiling water it will jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowing increase it to boil he will stay as you are giving him the opportunity to acclimate to small changes.

This stuff always reminds me of Martin Niemollers words.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

 

[AgentAnia]

....When smoking was banned on airplanes to you think they really started out with the idea in mind that we will restrict smoking to this section of the aircraft only or was their end game to completely eliminate smoking on planes. They eased us into it by saying you can only smoke in these rows, once we became accustomed that minor ban, they then banned cigs on flights less than 2 hours, they once again allowed us to adjust to that then they banned smoking on all domestic flights regardless of length, again we became accustomed that and finally they banded all smoking on aircraft. I suggest to you that was their end game from the start but knew if they attempted the total ban first they would have a mutiny on their hands.....

Christopher Snowden posted this from de Toqueville on twitter today, on petty tyranny. Pertinent here, I think:

The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided: men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting: such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefied a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Give an ANTZ an inch, and he'll take the whole nine yards, an inch at a time...

 

[Kent C]

After the nanny states and politicians ban our ecigs they will go after her super sized fries and big macs. Then she will asking why the rest of us don't understand how wrong it to ban fatty foods. Please come stand with me to defend fatty foods.

Sheeple only get involved when the government is after something they personally care about. If the proposed ban doesn't affect them they remain silent.

How many of the outraged vapors in Los Angles sat back silently when CA enacted some of the most outrageous gun control laws? If they were totally against guns then I understand them not speaking. It's the ones who said quietly to themselves "well it doesn't affect me no biggie" Once you allow the government to take something or ban it, it becomes easier to ban the next item.

When smoking was banned on airplanes to you think they really started out with the idea in mind that we will restrict smoking to this section of the aircraft only or was their end game to completely eliminate smoking on planes. They eased us into it by saying you can only smoke in these rows, once we became accustomed that minor ban, they then banned cigs on flights less than 2 hours, they once again allowed us to adjust to that then they banned smoking on all domestic flights regardless of length, again we became accustomed that and finally they banded all smoking on aircraft. I suggest to you that was their end game from the start but knew if they attempted the total ban first they would have a mutiny on their hands.

This is the boiling the frog story. If you throw a frog in to boiling water it will jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowing increase it to boil he will stay as you are giving him the opportunity to acclimate to small changes.

This stuff always reminds me of Martin Niemollers words.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

That should be a 'sticky' in this forum. But many here have rejected the 'slippery slope' argument or they think somehow, they will be part of the elite that run the place, where they can help "nudge"* people into 'reasonable regulations'.

*Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness: Richard H. Thaler, Cass R. Sunstein: 9780143115267: Amazon.com: Books

 

[rothenbj]

Give an ANTZ an inch, and he'll take the whole nine yards, an inch at a time...

This is the lesson we should have learned from history, but we haven't. Until we stand up in unity and say no, we're only stepping toward our destiny.

 

[Anjaffm]

After the nanny states and politicians ban our ecigs they will go after her super sized fries and big macs. Then she will asking why the rest of us don't understand how wrong it to ban fatty foods. Please come stand with me to defend fatty foods.

Sheeple only get involved when the government is after something they personally care about. If the proposed ban doesn't affect them they remain silent.

How many of the outraged vapors in Los Angles sat back silently when CA enacted some of the most outrageous gun control laws? If they were totally against guns then I understand them not speaking. It's the ones who said quietly to themselves "well it doesn't affect me no biggie" Once you allow the government to take something or ban it, it becomes easier to ban the next item.

When smoking was banned on airplanes to you think they really started out with the idea in mind that we will restrict smoking to this section of the aircraft only or was their end game to completely eliminate smoking on planes. They eased us into it by saying you can only smoke in these rows, once we became accustomed that minor ban, they then banned cigs on flights less than 2 hours, they once again allowed us to adjust to that then they banned smoking on all domestic flights regardless of length, again we became accustomed that and finally they banded all smoking on aircraft. I suggest to you that was their end game from the start but knew if they attempted the total ban first they would have a mutiny on their hands.

This is the boiling the frog story. If you throw a frog in to boiling water it will jump out but if you put it in cold water and slowing increase it to boil he will stay as you are giving him the opportunity to acclimate to small changes.

This stuff always reminds me of Martin Niemollers words.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.

Excellent!
Thank you for putting it so well.

That should be a 'sticky' in this forum. But many here have rejected the 'slippery slope' argument or they think somehow, they will be part of the elite that run the place, where they can help "nudge"* people into 'reasonable regulations'.

*Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness: Richard H. Thaler, Cass R. Sunstein: 9780143115267: Amazon.com: Books

Yes, I agree.
And as to the "slippery slope" and what happens to people who always think "this does not concern me, so I will do nothing", Martin Niemoeller has said it best. By the way, Martin Niemoller had it happen to him : First they came ... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...