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Being as you seem so sure of this, would you please post a link to where the information came from?
For those in the know, forgive my ignorance on this, isn't nicotine a diuretic?
Meaning the more you vape or smoke, the more often you'll need to make a wee?
Not sure where else I can find the information at...
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Well, if the world wants to be decieved, then let it.
lol so someone actually knew what that means
I wish, but my mind has been a veritable wasteland since "Google". I did know it was Latin tho, so B- ?
I gave you a 'like' for this but then I realized that I was laughing way too much to just let it go with a 'like'.
This brought me closer to P'íng that Vaping ever has! ROFL TYVM!
Do this experiment.
Take a syringe, larger the better. Remove the fill needle and place it over your drip tip. Pull the plunger as you press the button, so you draw air through the atty.
Are you really still going to say that so much water is taken from your body that you need to drink more water because of that?
All the uninformed medical hearsay makes my eyes bleed.
Vaping can cause dry-mouth, so drink more water, is imho acceptable to say. I would hazzard that the biggest health risk from the dehydrating effects of vaping, is gum disease and cavities.
Vaping can cause dehydration so make sure to drink more water. Is sensational and uninformed. Especially when adding that it pulls water from your body to 'make the vapor you see'. It's the same as the FDA saying vaping is unsafe because there's 1 part in 15bajillion of some harmful chemical. And just because a doctor says 'it causes dehydration', which it technically does(dry mouth), don't emulate the mass media. To a cardiologist, everyone with any abberation in thier heart function has "heart disease".
Caffine is a known diuretic. Nicotine inhibits diuresis.
http://journals.cambridge.org/downl...cover=Y&code=698956576f64ae11559d97c60a9e146d
This would be a better reason to suggest drinking more water beyond the drymouth reason.
*edit - seems 2nd viewing of the pdf takes me to the registration page Here's the abstract, and first time viewers may be able to follow the links to the full pdf
http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/1/51.extract
Here's a quiz, whats the primary water absorbtion pathway in the human body?
Take a syringe, larger the better. Remove the fill needle and place it over your drip tip. Pull the plunger as you press the button, so you draw air through the atty.
Are you really still going to say that so much water is taken from your body that you need to drink more water because of that?
All the uninformed medical hearsay makes my eyes bleed.
Vaping can cause dry-mouth, so drink more water, is imho acceptable to say. I would hazzard that the biggest health risk from the dehydrating effects of vaping, is gum disease and cavities.
Vaping can cause dehydration so make sure to drink more water. Is sensational and uninformed. Especially when adding that it pulls water from your body to 'make the vapor you see'. It's the same as the FDA saying vaping is unsafe because there's 1 part in 15bajillion of some harmful chemical. And just because a doctor says 'it causes dehydration', which it technically does(dry mouth), don't emulate the mass media. To a cardiologist, everyone with any abberation in thier heart function has "heart disease".
Caffine is a known diuretic. Nicotine inhibits diuresis.
http://journals.cambridge.org/downl...cover=Y&code=698956576f64ae11559d97c60a9e146d
This would be a better reason to suggest drinking more water beyond the drymouth reason.
*edit - seems 2nd viewing of the pdf takes me to the registration page
Here's the abstract, and first time viewers may be able to follow the links to the full pdfhttp://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/1/51.extract
Here's a quiz, whats the primary water absorbtion pathway in the human body?
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I say drink early and often because of the hoarseness, similar to diving. The drying effect in the airways is real. Don't drink water, vape a lot, you'll be ultra hoarse. That's reality.
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When you dry out any part of your body it will pull moisture from other parts so yes it can lead to dehydration. You may not consider it a risk, but that goes to tell me you have never been hospitalized over dehydration, which is great for you, but it is a real health risk if let go.
As far as testing if water plays a part in vaping, wait til your mouth is almost dry, take a hit off your pv. Note the vapor you exhale. Take a drink of water and take a second hit. You will see a major difference.
I'm glad you spoke up, since in my three years here I have never heard anyone dispute this.
But you seem to know what you're talking about, and you do make sense.
I am aware of a number of vaping myths, and they bother me as well.
I try to point them out when I can, and would certainly hate to perpetuate any.
So is vaping dehydrating or not?
Maybe this is question that should be looked at a little more closely.
And without people like you speaking up, it won't be.
As a general rule for hydration people should be drinking 1/2 of water per pound of body weight.
Example I weigh 180/2=90oz 90oz= about 11 coffee mug size cups of water.
How many people actually drink what they should be in water a day anyways? Plus adding in additional water if you exercise and a little more for vaping, coffee and friday night beer.
I drank about 60oz of water today (cardio for 30 minutes), 12oz of coffee and 80oz of beer tonight (dehydrates you even more). How to measure that? I don't know, so just follow the general rule and a few more cups of water so your pee stays light yellow and everyone should be fine!!
Also, Soda is not water. I saw a post on here a week ago and the person said they drink 72 ounces of diet coke a day and don't understand why they are dehydrated.
Example I weigh 180/2=90oz 90oz= about 11 coffee mug size cups of water.
How many people actually drink what they should be in water a day anyways? Plus adding in additional water if you exercise and a little more for vaping, coffee and friday night beer.
I drank about 60oz of water today (cardio for 30 minutes), 12oz of coffee and 80oz of beer tonight (dehydrates you even more). How to measure that? I don't know, so just follow the general rule and a few more cups of water so your pee stays light yellow and everyone should be fine!!
Also, Soda is not water. I saw a post on here a week ago and the person said they drink 72 ounces of diet coke a day and don't understand why they are dehydrated.
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Caffeine: Is it dehydrating or not?
I've been seeing ads that say cola and coffee drinks hydrate you as well as water does. Is this true?
Answer
from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.
It is true. Researchers used to believe that caffeinated drinks had a diuretic effect. This means that you would urinate more after drinking them, which could increase your risk of becoming dehydrated. Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day.
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Caffeine: Is it dehydrating or not?
I've been seeing ads that say cola and coffee drinks hydrate you as well as water does. Is this true?
Answer
from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.
It is true. Researchers used to believe that caffeinated drinks had a diuretic effect. This means that you would urinate more after drinking them, which could increase your risk of becoming dehydrated. Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day.
5 - 7 cups/day is well within my normal coffee zone I now drink less of it during the week, substitute vaping for it.
I now drink less of it during the week, substitute vaping for it.
I agree that yes it will dehydrate you. However loosing say, 5mg of water/hr, vs sweating out 4 ounces of water/hr is a much different thing. No offense, if someone vaped till they needed medical attention for dehydration, they should be hospitalized for other reasons
And yes, I agree that pre-moistening your mouth prior to vaping will increase the amount of vapor; however, I see that as a very saturday morning Dr. Science home experiment, that should not be any basis for a warning about dehydrating, or basis for saying that most of the vapor you see is from the fluids in your body, and not the surrounding air. What I am saying is that the amount of water you loose from your body through vaping is hardly worth the gratuitous and emphatic warnings of the dangers of dehydration that I see in many posts.
I'm glad you spoke up, since in my three years here I have never heard anyone dispute this.
But you seem to know what you're talking about, and you do make sense.
I am aware of a number of vaping myths, and they bother me as well.
I try to point them out when I can, and would certainly hate to perpetuate any.
So is vaping dehydrating or not?
Maybe this is question that should be looked at a little more closely.
And without people like you speaking up, it won't be.
Yeah, I don't like perpetuating myths either. As far as vaping being dehydrating, everything I've read is "YES", technically, it is. However, the health risks of the dehydrating effects (classic dehydration health risks) of vaping is, imho much less than the health risks of having a dry mouth. My dentist (and I've had more dentists than I care to recall), whom I trust, explained to me that smoking will dry your mouth, which provides a better environment for bad bacteria to grow, hence more gum disease and cavities. (I have bad TMJ for the record). This is a much more justifiable reason to say 'drink more water' than to claim you will suffer from accute dehydration, especially when I figure 99% of people probably suffer from some stage of dehydration in thier normal lives.
I've had the opportunity to speak with many doctors from many different feilds of real medicine. I mean surgeons, not research scientists and nutritionalists and psychiatrists and the like. Just because someone with letters after thier name says something, it does not mean it is the right thing to do. I could post 3pages worth of examples for this, but I'll try and keep it shorter.
To keep this more OT, and to the OP:
No we are not ingesting water, we are loosing water in very small amounts. To expand on that, drinking water to avoid the drymouth and subsiquent complications that can arise from that, is a good idea. And nicotine inhibits diuresis, it is not like caffine which is commonly held or shown to be a diuretic. Right now I'm not going to look up the actual effects of caffine.
To address any myths or overreactive statements, drinking more water to offset the inhibition of diuresis isn't a bad idea, I agree. Is it the ominous health risk that some posts seem to say it is? No. When you get thirsty, you get a drink of water. When a pregnant woman craves odd food, it's because her body is saying it wants more vitaminX. Your body will try and self regulate, listen to it.
Common myth: Nicotine in vaping is absorbed predominantly through the mouth/nasal mucus membranes, for whatever reason, over the membranes of the lungs.
So far, in all the searching I've been able to dig up, there has been no legitimate study of this, so anything on the matter is pure conjecture. Molecular size? This is more intelligent conjecture, but conjecture none the less.
Common myth: While vaping, you only absorb a fraction of nictotine than you would from smoking, this is why many people chain vape in the morning or evening before bed.
Again, there has been no medical study of the amount of nicotine absorbed by vaping. The closest information I have found is the New Zeland study of 2008 :
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartridgeReport30-Oct-08.pdf
Quoting page 21: "Inhaled nicotine in cigarettes is over 98% absorbed(6), and so the exhaled mist of the e-cigarette is composed of prolylene glycol, and probably contains almost no nicotine and no CO."
Key here is probably contains almost no nicotine. The no CO is shown on the table on page 19 at 1.5parts per million.
The root of this myth is, I believe, because nicotine in cigs gets to the brain in something like 10-20seconds, sorry I don't have the link to the study I read supporting that, and the nicotine in vaping, lacking the supporting chemicals contained in cigarettes, takes longer to reach the brain. It's easy to see that nicotine in vaping does not provide the same instant gratification that nicotine in cigs does, leading to more vaping as you subcionciously search for that satisfaction.
As an aside, now you can put two and two together and see why after sex, people enjoy cigarettes, because cigs also contain MAO inhibitors, slowing the purging of dopamine, thereby prolonging the 'feel good' of what you just did. Vaping does not contain the MAOi's, so you won't get that 'feeling' vaping after having sex. (study pg8 on MAOi's)
Common myth (or overreaction):
I just started vaping and now I feel sick. Overreaction - You're allergic to pg, so see a doctor and get some 100% vg juice.
With the 4000+ known and unknown chemicals in a cigarette, I would say that if you had no allergic reaction to vaping your juice within 5-10 minutes or less, that any irritation, body aches and pains, are due to withdrawl. It's commonly held, and observed, that people will go through phsyical and mental withdrawl when switching to vaping. Be patient and deal with it. If you feel the need, see your doctor. But how many poeple will come back and post that they paid 250$ for the doctor to tell them they're suffering withdrawl symptoms, get rest, and tough it out? I havn't seen any post like that, compared to plenty of "it sucked the first few weeks but now I feel great".
Some absurdities and flogging common sense:
The batteries can explode and devistate your mouth, home, dog, neighborhood....
The same thing was said when the luggable was replaced by the laptop. Plenty of instances of fires etc, from failed batteries. Is it so much to warrant all the red flag warnings surrounding batteries, to the extent of charging them outside? How many of the poeple that give these warnings plug in thier cell phone and walk away, or are reading this with thier laptop, battery inside, plugged into the power outlet. If you use your 18650 as a hammer, you shouldn't be surprised at a resulting catastrophic failure. Even if you do nothing wrong, things fail. In general, I would think it's safe to say your cellphone and laptop have the same risks as your pv for ruining your whole day.
In todays mass media world of instant experts that love to self aggrandize on blogs and in the mainstream media, it seems almost vouge to banter over minutia.
A tablet of common sense, three times daily, goes a long way. Even if it is on the FDA's list of non approved substances.
On nicotine absorption, read up on what Etter has been doing. Letter published last November, rolygate started a good thread on it. Measured cotinine levels consistent with about 1/5 or so of the starting nicotine in eliquid being metabolized.
On cigs, they are supposed to have much higher starting nicotine, in the unburnt tobacco, than what is written on the pack, but the pack number (1 mg, or 20 mg/pack) is supposed to represent the nominal absorbed value when smoked.
On cigs, they are supposed to have much higher starting nicotine, in the unburnt tobacco, than what is written on the pack, but the pack number (1 mg, or 20 mg/pack) is supposed to represent the nominal absorbed value when smoked.
So you are a qualified medical professional, willing to make a dx over the internet without having even talked to someone? As while yes it may very well just be withdraws, there are those people that is isn't just withdraws. And unless someone is a trained professional where they can see, talk and examine the person you have no way to know which it might be.
A lot of the people we have coming in here at times are not your 20's somethings in great health to start with, but it is people who are 30+ been smoking for years, and in many cases with medical problems to start with. so not suggesting they go see their dr is not only foolish, but down right stupid!
And as far as your you will have a reaction within 5 to 10 minutes not everyone has the same type of reactions. Last year my sister had tried one of the gas station cig look a-likes, she had no reaction to the juice that we could tell. Within a month tho she wound up in the hospital for a week, while not completely to blame, the pg in juice did add to the problems. So the cost of that one office visit could have saved her a lot of problems.
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