And that is my conundrum. While I want great items for cheap prices, I don't want to thwart the innovation that made said products!
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And that is my conundrum. While I want great items for cheap prices, I don't want to thwart the innovation that made said products!
I won't buy a counterfeit. I don't need to look like I'm vaping a Nemesis, if I'm really not. There are lots of inexpensive devices out there that don't have bogus engravings on them, that work well.
I think the Alu body is why it dose work a little better. Alu is alot more conductive that SS and Brass. This is a perfect example why didn't they just make their own design and name?
I have a mix of branded and unbranded equipment. Very happy with what I have. 
Buy what you feel comfortable buying.
Buy what you feel comfortable buying.
I also though about buying the Nemesis clone and then eventually getting a real one to see the difference and use the clone as my out at the bar mod. It would get me what I want in the American fashion of not being able to wait and I would eventually give back to the originator buy also buying theirs on top of protecting my ungodly expensive metal tube. I do however think that if I got the clone that I would probably never actually buy the real deal because the need wouldn't be as great.
Either way, this post was just a means of gauging how the community feels about clones. There will always be a market for them regardless of my dilemma over it. I felt that others opinions on them could help me solidify my own.
Either way, this post was just a means of gauging how the community feels about clones. There will always be a market for them regardless of my dilemma over it. I felt that others opinions on them could help me solidify my own.
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It always boils down to wallet over principals, or principals over wallet. I think in most cases principals are never even considered when someone makes a purchase. My advice to anyone is always buy the best you can afford you can never go wrong that way.
Lost in the clone debate is that virtually every vaper started out with a product made in China, where the devices originated. Most every high end device is derived from designs early modders shared with the community, innovating without looking to get rich. Big profits and showing off were far less important than helping others stop smoking.
If one is on the moral fence, how about buying 10 non-counterfeit clones instead of the single expensive tube, and sharing nine of them with newer needy vapers to help them stay off of cigarettes. It might not impress fellow vapers, but it might help save a couple lives.
If one is on the moral fence, how about buying 10 non-counterfeit clones instead of the single expensive tube, and sharing nine of them with newer needy vapers to help them stay off of cigarettes. It might not impress fellow vapers, but it might help save a couple lives.
Damn good way to look at it! Probably wouldn't want to trade in someones ego for a Nemesis though. lol
really? no need to guess, that is exactly why they do it.....
to the OP- buy whatever you want as long as you know going in it isn't the original item. a lot of the so-called clones are quite good for a lot less than the overpriced originals (which may be clones themselves). just because you put some different engravings on a metal tube it is still a metal tube- nothing original there. the main thing is to find what works for you to keep vaping and not smoke. don't let some phony moral indignation prevent that.....
what conundrum? there are tons of new products coming out every day. the so-called clones haven't slowed anything down at all. look at vaping now compared to a few years ago- i see an explosion of products all over the spectrum and it is only going to get better. buy whatever you want. the marketplace will take care of eveything else.....
Is having values and principals such a alien concept those who chose to incorporate them in to their daily lives have to be phoney?
Exactly... My friends and family can see that I havent picked up a cigarette in 6 months. They want to quit, but out in woodville texas we have a single smoke shop that happens to sell cig-a-likes and 16$ ego starters and about 10 juice flavors ( fuzzy navel and the passion fruit are pretty good BTW ) If they buy something there what do they do when the clearo tastes like an ashtray? I could leave them frustrated and still smoking cigarettes. It is my duty to help them out...
I purchased a trunk load of gear, tons of juice, and will have two tasting parties, one for family and one for friends. Everyone will leave with a set up and a sampler of juice. Those that I know will really commit will get protankII clones with a few genuine coils. I will leave them with website info on reordering. My step mom is getting a rebuildable similar to the Ihybrid that I paid 24$ for because she really wants to quit, is happy with a single flavor, and my Dad is watching the videos on replacing the wire/wick.
if I buy genuine I can afford gear just for myself. personally I like to brag about the sweet set up I got for 24$ rather than the name brand set up I paid 200$ for. If a name brand device is the only way I am going to get a good vape, then I will buy it. I have no issue throwing down good money on a VV like provari... but a piece of glass tube, aluminum tube, and some o rings... nah... Also, the last thing that interests me is a fake stamp on a mod... That is as tacky as wearing a fake rolex...
No but they are a personal rather than a universal concept, what is a genuine principle to one is a phoney principle to another. That is why there is why unlike actual quality to cost balance of a clone you can have no sensible internet discussion about the principles of them.
Why buy a counterfeit mod when EGOs are a much more practical device for a beginner?
If I was addressing the community as a whole I could see your point the post you quoted was in response to another post aimed at me. SO it really has no bearing on the discussion at large.
I specified newer, not new vapers, and non-counterfeit clones. I believe we agree about counterfeits, and a newer vaper is typically looking to move beyond their Ego. Egos are a great product for many and what I provide/recommend to beginners.
I dont care if my Chiclone has #'s and logo's. What I do care about is that it works. It works very well. I got to do a side by side comparison with a "real" Chi lastnight. I couldnt tell any difference in how they hit.
I'd rather support a local b&m and get a clone than support a guy in Korea that makes a metal tube with threads in it for $300.
I'd rather support a local b&m and get a clone than support a guy in Korea that makes a metal tube with threads in it for $300.
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