Thoughts on DNA40 temp control, and REO?

[HgA1C]

Ok, I am aware of Robs dislike of regulated mods. However, the DNA40 is a game changer in my opinion. Temperature control will allow us to substantially reduce potential health effects of vaping. In almost all of the studies where they find vaping potentially dangerous, they invariable overheat the liquid. To that point, at least one of the beta testers indicated they were able to completely eliminate dry (burnt) hits by keeping the temp below the burning point of their wick.

So I guess my main point is this. Since Rob does not want to "deal" with regulated mods. How much interest would their be in requesting Rob design up and make a DIY version of the REO for the Evolv board? If there is enough interest to get Rob excited, would people be willing to put down a deposit to get the master to build a limited run of these DIY units, in a similar fashion as the woodvil?

Basically, lets try to convince Rob that it would be worth his while to design an Evolv REO Bottom Feed DIY edition, and leave the soldering, and electronics installation work to all of us that really want these devices. Limited release(s) would help assure Rob of limited headaches. To alleviate additional headaches, he could make first run an REO owner exclusive with an exclusive paint job.

Any thoughts?

Personally, I would pony up, even if the mod cost was higher than the current price of a finished REO Lp.

 

[Susan~S]

I'm just taking a break from watching & taking notes on PBusardos video with Brandon from Evolv. So far, it looks very interesting!

 

[unsure]

He pretty firm on no more electronics. I don't see him swaying from that position.

 

[Rule62]

Personally, I share the same feeling for electronics as Rob apparently does.

 

[Rat2chat2]

It is my understanding that Rob is working on a version of the grand that is "kick-ready. I could be wrong. . .

 

[Vapeaholic]

I don't think Rob will take prepayments\deposits for ANYTHING.
There are DIY threads around for mods like you are looking for. I haven't seen anything for the DNA40 yet, but I'm sure there will be.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

The problem is the shell from Rob would still cost about $175 to $250 since most of the cost are going to be in setup and machining. How many DiY builders are really going to lay that out for just the body?

 

[unsure]

The way I see it you have 2 choices. Mod a existing REO yourself or live with another modder's device (not a REO).

 

[Rossum]

I haven't seen anything for the DNA40 yet, but I'm sure there will be.

Since the DNA40 is the same size as a DNA30 (and the DNA20 as well), any mod that was designed to accept the older DNAs will accept the 40.

 

[Bman1959]

Coming from someone who was seriously looking at buying a REO, I'll now be waiting to see comes out with the DNA 40 and VIR.

 

[Technonut]

For 4 years I have been vaping for harm-reduction over tobacco. Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos is conducting a study on vaping temperatures. If it is found that harmful emissions are being created with e-liquid / flavorings at certain temperatures, I will be sadly shelving my current mods in favor of a temp-controlled device. Setting wire temperature may just prove to be the safest way to vape.. IMO, this tech is going to change everything...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-crowd-funded-dr-konstantinos-farsalinos.html

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Rob has mentioned a kickable version of the grand, so it's not like he doesn't want PCB's near his gear, he just doesn't want to support it.

Turbocad has done some retrofitting of DNA boards to reos, though, and it is nowhere near as trivial as fitting a kick - not for the timid from the looks of it (and I'm referring merely to the electrical, not body, work), and so prolly only a subset of even the crowd that were willing to install the gold contact kit would be up for it. Given that it would be a fraction of a fraction of the reo crowd.........

What I find interesting about this topic is that unlike recent vaping advancements for more power, more clouds, lower ohms, this one is for more safety (temperature control), and hopefully this changes the conversation around vaping's evolution.

 

[Rossum]

Coming from someone who was seriously looking at buying a REO, I'll now be waiting to see comes out with the DNA 40 and VIR.

You should buy a REO anyway. Use it to decide if bottom-feeding mods are for you. If they're not, sell it; they have good resale value. But if you decide that bottom-feeders are for you, chances are you'll lose all interest in conventional mods, and then if you might decide that building a DNA40 powered bottom-feeder yourself is worth the trouble.

 

[Rossum]

What I find interesting about this topic is that unlike recent vaping advancements for more power, more clouds, lower ohms, this one is for more safety (temperature control), and hopefully this changes the conversation around vaping's evolution.

I don't see it as being so much for safety as for a generally better, more consistent experience. Forget to squonk? Didn't squonk enough? Wick can't quite keep up? No more nasty-tasting dry hits. In addition, wicks and coils should last longer 'cause they won't gunk up as much.

 

[Bman1959]

You should buy a REO anyway. Use it to decide if bottom-feeding mods are for you. If they're not, sell it; they have good resale value. But if you decide that bottom-feeders are for you, chances are you'll lose all interest in conventional mods, and then if you might decide that building a DNA40 powered bottom-feeder yourself is worth the trouble.

No,No,No.....To much of a pack rat and if bought would just keep it. Trying to keep Vaping expenses somewhat with in means.

 

[cracoucax]

Just went reading the DNA40 specs.
The temperature feature requires a coil made from nickel 200 AKA NR wire ??
Wouldn't that require a huge quantity of wire to make say a 1 ohm coil ?
Either that or it will have to be very thin wire.

quote from the specs :

Evolv’s Temperature Protection Technology requires a heating coil made from Nickel 200 alloy,
rather than Nickel Chromium or Kanthal alloys. Nickel 200 is commercially pure nickel. It is often sold in
vapor shops and online as “non-resistance wire.” If the temperature reaches the maximum value, the
wattage applied to the atomizer coil is reduced to prevent overheating. Please note that the
temperature reading is the average temperature of the atomizer coil, and care should be taken to
construct the heating coil so that the temperature is uniform, without hot or cold spots. Ensure that the
coil does not short to itself.

 

[cracoucax]

No,No,No.....To much of a pack rat and if bought would just keep it. Trying to keep Vaping expenses somewhat with in means.

Yeah but... a reo (or any good BF mod i suppose) is really something different that you ought to try.
Falling for the tube mod craze and having 20 different models is certainly crazy because none of them really adds anything to your vape. The reo does give you better flavor and way better portability. Sold all my other originals already, no use for them now.
And for the record, i'm a pack rat too, but the reo made me rethink the whole thing with utility and usefulness in mind, and sell redondant stuff t at a bargain (i'm only a pack rat because selling at an interesting price is too much work lol, i just wanted my space back.)

 

[Rossum]

Wouldn't that require a huge quantity of wire to make say a 1 ohm coil ?
Either that or it will have to be very thin wire.

Yes, it would. But why would you want to make a 1 ohm coil for it out of Ni200 when it will happily fire (and control temperature) on coils down to 0.1 ohms?

 

[cracoucax]

Yes, it would. But why would you want to make a 1 ohm coil for it out of Ni200 when it will happily fire (and control temperature) on coils down to 0.1 ohms?

Because for the same watts it will eat batteries nearly 4 times faster !
That said maybe this type of wire would be more efficient, requiring less preheat i don't know.
Very interesting technology anyway.

 

[Rossum]

Because for the same watts it will eat batteries nearly 4 times faster !

No it won't. With a DC-DC converter such as those in the DNA boards, the resistance of your build has almost no effect on battery life.