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I came to check in this forum to see if anyone else has had this strange phenomenon of foot/ankle swelling, as it seems to have started, very mildly, when I had been vaping about a month or so, and just seems to keep getting worse, and with the timing coinciding with vaping, I wondered if somehow the vaping could be causing or contributing to it.

Yes, I sit here at the desk all day, but I did that before, too, doing web design all day, when I was still a smoker. About the only difference is that as a smoker, I would get up from here about every 30-45 mins to go have a smoke. Now, I may get up that often to go to the bathroom, refill the tank, get something to drink, etc, but it might be somewhat less often than I would get up to go smoke.

My feet/ankles seem pretty much normal when I first get up, but all thru the day, the swelling seems to increase, to the point that the back of my legs, just above the ankles, are quite sore. I've started wearing ace bandages on both feet/ankles, and wearing support-stocking knee-highs, but it doesn't seem to be helping. About the only thing that does seem to help is elevating my feet above my heart, and the longer I can keep them that way, the more it helps, thus the near-normal state of feet/ankles in the morning.

I had wondered if this could be some strange PG toxicity, since my juice is 85% PG; I've tried 85% VG when they were out of my usual, but it gave me an awful feeling in my chest like something that wouldn't cough up, and I have asthma, so I figure it's just too heavy for me to be inhaling (VG).

The only doctor I have is the one I see once a year for my asthma checkup, and I have no insurance, so I can't just be running to the doc for what may be nothing much, but I just need to know if this may somehow be related to vaping. I really don't want to and don't plan to go back to cigarettes, because whatever this is, it can't be worse for me than smoking, but maybe I just need to ease up on the vaping a little, instead of just vaping at will all the time. If I slightly increased my nic level, I could probably manage it much as I managed smoking, like once or twice an hour.

One other thing -- even with increased water consumption, the leg cramps I've suffered for years and years (probably from the PG in my asthma inhaler) had gotten a lot worse, with vaping, so I've started drinking my evening powerade with a big glug of tonic water in it, for the quinine, to prevent the leg cramps. I suppose that might also be a culprit.

Any thoughts on this that anyone may have, I'd really love to hear. I was disappointed that all the other threads on this particular topic are quite old, and closed, so I couldn't engage in those discussions.

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I'm not a doctor, but I doubt that edema is attributable to vaping alone, if at all.
If I were you, I would resist the urge to self-treat medical conditions. Below, you can see some serious, common causes. (from an online medical encyclopedia). The list is probably not 100% complete. You should see a doctor.

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Common Causes of Edema:

Acute glomerulonephritis
Burns, including sunburn
Chronic kidney disease
Heart failure
Liver failure from cirrhosis
Nephrotic syndrome
Poor nutrition
Pregnancy
Thyroid disease
Too little albumin in the blood (hypoalbuminemia)
Too much salt or sodium
Use of certain drugs, including Androgenic and anabolic steroids, Calcium channel blockers, Certain blood pressure medicines, Corticosteroids such as prednisone, Diabetes medicines called thiazolidinediones, Estrogen, Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs)
 
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Well, self-treating is all I have. Last year I had some serious stomach pain for an entire day and night, thought I had appendicitis, went to the e-room, spent 6 hrs there, was told 'we can't find anything'... and then they sent me a bill for $8800 -- for doing nothing. And I have no job and no insurance, so then they dropped it to $1100. That was a year ago, and I still owe them almost $1000, and will probably be paying them $25/mo for the next 10 yrs or so.

So doctors are out of the question, and my husband has already been told, if I collapse on the floor, do not call 911; do not take me to the doctor. If I die, I die, but at least I won't leave any FURTHER debt to pay when I'm gone. If they charged me $8800 for doing NOTHING, I'd hate to see what they'd charge for doing SOMETHING.

I guess I will just keep trying to keep them elevated, and try to ease off the vaping a little. It's really all I can do, but I was hoping someone would pipe up with "don't worry about it, it passes." Elevation and worry is the only medicine I can afford.

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Hi Andria

Have you tried any natural diuretics,I suffer with water retention too & find things like dandelion & other OTC products work quite well.
Visit your local health shop I'm sure they can fix you up .There are a lot of plants used for this & they are the best people to advise you.Ask for a "drainer"
Usual disclaimer:I'm not a doctor so see yours if worried etc.
 

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Hi Andria

Have you tried any natural diuretics,I suffer with water retention too & find things like dandelion & other OTC products work quite well.
Visit your local health shop I'm sure they can fix you up .There are a lot of plants used for this & they are the best people to advise you.Ask for a "drainer"
Usual disclaimer:I'm not a doctor so see yours if worried etc.

Hey, that's an excellent idea -- I'm all over the "holistic" health thing -- but I had forgotten there might be something natural I could use. I'll look into it, I have a TON of books here about herbal remedies for pretty much every ailment known to man. :D

Yesterday, after I was all done with breakfast ("brunch"), I made myself go sit in the recliner with 3 large pillows on the footrest, and sat there with my feet/legs elevated for an hour, and it really did seem to help. Then last night, while drinking my night-time warm-milk cocoa, I also sat there for an hour with feet/legs elevated, and it seemed to help again; when I went to bed, the swelling was much less than I'd seen on previous nights. Also I left off the quinine last night, and just drank some Powerade "straight". So I'll keep doing that for awhile, leaving off the quinine and taking regular rest periods to elevate my feet/legs for an hour, and also check out the herbal remedies.

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You could also ask for something to stimulate your circulation,off the top of my head I think it's 'vine leaves' (lots of those here :D)
You should be able to buy in capsules ,which may help getting the excess water moving.
I'm well into the whole Holistic thing too even with my animals,at least I know I wont be doing much(any) harm
& I am so anti-pharma & chemical remedies anyway.:D

Best of luck and let us know if you feel better after :)
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You could also ask for something to stimulate your circulation,off the top of my head I think it's 'vine leaves' (lots of those here :D)
You should be able to buy in capsules ,which may help getting the excess water moving.
I'm well into the whole Holistic thing too even with my animals,at least I know I wont be doing much(any) harm
& I am so anti-pharma & chemical remedies anyway.:D

Best of luck and let us know if you feel better after :)
Julie

I agree, there are so many natural substances that can do everything that pharmaceuticals can do, do them better, and with far fewer side effects. I doubt if anyone got ulcers from drinking willow bark tea... that had to wait for aspirin to be synthesized from the willow bark! When you strip away everything of a plant product except the active ingredient, you're stripping away the natural protection FROM that active ingredient.

It's about time for me to go park it in the recliner for an hour, so I'll take some of those herbal encyclopedias with me and see what I can come up with. I agree, it would be better to get it in a capsule; I have a real dislike of tasting most medicines -- I learned to swallow pills at the age of 6 to save myself from all those nasty liquid medicines they give kids!

Thx!
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Georgia? Jeez.
Are there seriously no free or low cost clinics for unemployed persons there? Those symptoms sound significant to me, and I'm thinking not vape-related. It's outrageous that you can't get good medical care.
Whatever you think of ACA, where I live NO one is denied needed health care because of income now. Extended Medicaid has picked up those who were falling through the cracks.
 

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Georgia? Jeez.
Are there seriously no free or low cost clinics for unemployed persons there? Those symptoms sound significant to me, and I'm thinking not vape-related. It's outrageous that you can't get good medical care.
Whatever you think of ACA, where I live NO one is denied needed health care because of income now. Extended Medicaid has picked up those who were falling through the cracks.

It's *possible* I could get medicaid, but in GA, if you apply for medicaid, they test your pee. What's in my pee is none of their $#%$ business, so I don't apply. I also don't want to sit for *hours* in a huge room filled with 3rd world immigrants and their screaming kids that they apparently never discipline in the slightest way.

I really can't see how it's a very significant problem, since I had my yearly checkup in January before I started vaping, and there were no issues, none whatever. So I think it's probably a reaction to a) lots more PG than I was accustomed to, b) not getting up as often since I don't need to run outdoors every half hour to smoke, and c) dehydration, because as goofy as that sounds, from my reading Ive determined that swollen feet/ankles can in fact be a symptom of dehydration.

I hate doctors. All they do is stand there and scratch their heads and when they really don't know what's wrong with you, they either reach for the prescription pad, or refer you to some other quack, so someone else can ride the gravy train. No thanks. I really hate how everyone in America rushes off to the doctor at every slightest problem, like they don't have a brain in their own head to try and deal with it themselves. It's paternalistic BS.

I'm convinced that my continuing good health is probably due to not having medical insurance for the last 8 yrs, so I *can't* rush off to the doctor and get some lethal medicine at the slightest problem.

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But that's the problem - you don't know. Having dealt with two parents passing, one of which developed congestive heart failure and swelling of the ankles was one of the first significant symptoms of the disease in place, not about to suggest trying to self diagnose or treat edema by running to a health food store.
 
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I agree, there are so many natural substances that can do everything that pharmaceuticals can do, do them better, and with far fewer side effects.

Just for what it's worth, butcher's broom is touted as an aid to circulation, and according to gossip, coffee is a diuretic. I don't endorse either, but probably pretty harmless.
 

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if you apply for medicaid, they test your pee. What's in my pee is none of their $#%$ business, so I don't apply. ...... I *can't* rush off to the doctor and get some lethal medicine at the slightest problem.

Andria
I agree that the assumption that drug abuse is exclusive to the lower classes is unfair, fallacious, and unjust. However, drug abuse is a medical problem, and therefore it is their business. It is your choice to not have insurance-- therefore it is your problem. However, I would hate to see you die from it.

More exercise wouldn't hurt-- and I am not talking about running a mile.
 
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Just for what it's worth, butcher's broom is touted as an aid to circulation, and according to gossip, coffee is a diuretic. I don't endorse either, but probably pretty harmless.

Yeah, I found Butcher's Broom mentioned in one of my herbal apothecary books, also Dandelion, as mentioned earlier. If it doesn't ease soon, I'll get some of both.

Rickajho, if I die, I die, but at least I won't leave another thousand-odd-dollar debt behind me. Really when I posted this, it was because I'd seen that others had a similar symptom shortly after starting to vape, and might know something about it. I have no intention of going to the doc for anything other than my yearly checkup (have to have that, to get my asthma-inhaler refills) or if I REALLY AM at death's door, but even that, why bother? They'll just charge a fortune to tell me I'm dying, and what's the point of that?

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    Any thoughts on this that anyone may have, I'd really love to hear. I was disappointed that all the other threads on this particular topic are quite old, and closed, so I couldn't engage in those discussions.

    Thx,
    Andria

    Being new to vaping, It's logical not to dismisses the possibility.

    Any medical condition should be check out by a medical professional and followed up, not us.

    That being said I've had swollen feet for the past two weeks and just like you, I'm trying the home remedies first but if it continues the Doctor will be seeing me.

    What I have notice is some simple possibilities.

    1. Shoes to tight, even though this did not cure the problem for me they were tight and I'll have to purchase larger shoe size's ASAP.
    2. Socks cut off circulation near ankle calf - I have to remove my socks soon as I come home.
    3. My slippers were rubbing the front of my ankle I've never noticed it before, since than I've stopped wearing them today and have seen an improvements within 12 hours.
    4. I've notice while I'm sleeping, I've straighten my foot out so that my ankle was not curved this is a hard one to overcome.
    5. Suggest when you can raise your feet up like on a ottoman or card board box.
     
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