throat hit additive

[slyfox]

I have the Loco form TW, I mixed up a 5ml bottle 4 to 1, then only use 2 drop per 15ml. It is a burning th, but it kept me off the cigs when I couldn't get enough th. I was using 36mg and still craving my hit. Now I'm off the loco. My sister can't vape from any attys that I've used this in. She seems to have a reaction to it.

 

[MaxUT]

I just tried some: 1mL plain PG + 1 drop DV Diablo Loco flavoring = about 3% concentration.

Aye Chee-Wah-Wah... the throat hit is definitely there, but 3% may be a bit much! A lot bit too much, I think. The throat hit assault is immediate but fades quickly. The sensation in the lungs lasts longer, unfortunately. And there's a nose hit. Kinda like snorting horseradish fumes.

Oh, and when you get done coughing up your toenails, the head rush is a bonus feature.

This ought to go well with Atomic Cinnacide.

 

[Knowone]

This is actually exactly what I was coming to the DIY forum to ask. I recently switched from 36mg to liquids closer to 18mg, and I'm sorely missing the satisfying TH.

On the recommendations of several forum members, I've tried adding 80 proof vodka, but it doesn't seem to do anything. I even tried adding a drop of it straight onto the bridge of my atty with a drop of juice. No improved TH.

I'm a huge chile fan. And, I like my food to be VERY spicy. But, I can't really see how capsaicin would simulate the TH of higher nic juice without a prolonged burning sensation.

Maybe I just need to go a little higher with the nicotine in my future orders. Sucky since I wanted to go lower and lower.

 

[throatkick]

It appears this is a combination of things.....

1. low/high voltage
2. atty resistance
3. nic content
4. PG/VG (seems to be a rather well-known fact)

So high voltage, low resistance, hi nic, mostly or all PG will give you the best combo for throat hit.
(corrections from those more experienced welcomed)

In addition, I ordered something called "Throat hit Plus"
Will let you know how it works out.

Overall it would be cool to get a definitive reply from a real experienced person because MAYBE that way we could get the same TH with lower nicotine. That would be a huge plus for me........

Thanks and Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to all.

 

[MaxUT]

You can also get increased throat hit with a higher concentration of flavoring; tobacco, cinnamon, ginger and clove are pretty effective for this.

 

[aprioristic]

I've been tasting a bunch of flavors on an 801, long atty so they all taste very mild and cool compared to my 808. A bunch I tried had basically no TH, but one with a little of champagne flavoring did. Of course it has ethyl alcohol in it, but it also has PG. I had only like 2 drops in 2ml and it was noticeable, so maybe it is better than PGA. It's pure speculation on my part though because I haven't used PGA.

Google 'Qhit', it should work from the reviews. I won't link because it is another forum.

 

[MaxUT]

Qhit e-Liquid [FA-QHIT] - $3.99 : E Cig Liquid, E-Liquid, Electronic Cigarette USA

Looks pretty expensive to use, what with the recommended 50% concentration.

 

[aprioristic]

lol... some people seemed to say it was okay whatever I read before. Maybe it isn't the best, but to me a warmer vape is enough.

Maybe you don't need it at 50% unless you want to do this. (Skip to 3:30 unless you speak Romanian or something)

 

[throatkick]

Look at the reviews on this:

Throat Hit Plus - E-Liquid - Smoke Juice

Seems to be excellent. Will post after I have tried it.

 

[aprioristic]

Look at the reviews on this:

Throat Hit Plus - E-Liquid - Smoke Juice

Seems to be excellent. Will post after I have tried it.

The "excellent vapor" part where it is being sold is a little suspect. It's talking about taming the acid/sour perception so maybe it is AAA Magic Mask mixed with capsacin, got me.

 

[Sponge Bobiwan]

Interesting thread. I've been wondering about this myself. Looks like I'll be giving this Throat Hit Plus from TheVaporPro a try. Nothing really to lose by trying, at only $2.69/bottle.

 

[wv2win]

Ah, but the throat hit is an irritation from the nicotine. More nic gives more throat hit. You probably have noticed that Nicotine on the tongue gives a "peppery" burn. So, why not a touch of pepper extract?

The trick would be to get just enough, so that you don't get a persistent burning sensation. As in the set-your-tonsils-and sinuses-on-fire kind.

I'm gonna go mix some.

The best provider of better thoat hit, better than even nic strength, is more power which provides warmer vaper. To get the best throat hit without excessive irritation is more power. So switching to a 5 volt device provides the TH without the hassle, measuring, guessing, etc.

 

[Traver]

The best provider of better thoat hit, better than even nic strength, is more power which provides warmer vaper. To get the best throat hit without excessive irritation is more power. So switching to a 5 volt device provides the TH without the hassle, measuring, guessing, etc.

You can also get the same effect with a lower ohm carto or atomizer. Less ohms means it will use a more watts which is same as more power. An KR808D battery also works at 3.7 watts while the 510 family has a working voltage of around 3.1. Even thought both are rated a 3.7 volts. The KR808D will give you more hit and smoke with the same ohm carto.

 

[wv2win]

Overall it would be cool to get a definitive reply from a real experienced person because MAYBE that way we could get the same TH with lower nicotine. That would be a huge plus for me........

Thanks and Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to all.

I vape mostly 18mg and some 24mg so I can't state this for a fact, but I have read many posts from those who lowered their nic strength down to 6-8mg by switching to a good 5 volt PV without losing TH.

 

[throatkick]

You can also get increased throat hit with a higher concentration of flavoring; tobacco, cinnamon, ginger and clove are pretty effective for this.

Cool. I may wind up buying a Provari for the precise voltage adjustments, low res atty, some tobacco flavor (as you suggested) and a couple of drops of a TH enhancer. All factors combined, should do it.

As it stands, I am using a combo that works very well:
1. 3-4 drops of 36 100% Usa VG juice (bought it from mall)
2. 10-12 drops of 24mg juice. I bought this from madvapes. They call it MARL

Trying this juice combination on a variety of hardware to see how much of a difference there is in TH.


The KR8 carto is hot therefore, it produces a better/harder/fuller hit.
On the other hand, it also gives off that burnt taste after 4-5 drags. Also, small so needs constant refilling.......

Also, as Aprioristic just said, maybe it (the throat hit additive) masks the acid/sour taste.....

Anyway.... really starting to get somewhere...........

 

[Traver]

"The KR8 carto is hot therefore, it produces a better/harder/fuller hit.
On the other hand, it also gives off that burnt taste after 4-5 drags. Also, small so needs constant refilling......."

The burning is more of a bad carto problem. Unless you are using LR cartos under 2.5 ohms. I go down to at least 2.5 ohms without any problems. The ones that come with the R808 are usually 3.0 to 3.4 ohms.

 

[MaxUT]

The best provider of better thoat hit, better than even nic strength, is more power which provides warmer vaper. To get the best throat hit without excessive irritation is more power. So switching to a 5 volt device provides the TH without the hassle, measuring, guessing, etc.

Yep. Experienced that when I received my Prodigy V1 back in July 2009. Massive throat hit with a 510 atty and 36mg 555 juice. Pretty good hit with 18mg too.

Not so good however when vaping the more delicate flavors.

So, now I have a PV with variable voltage that can be dialed in to the best setting for the atty/juice combination.

 

[aprioristic]

I use Boge LR (2 Ohm) 808 cartos and don't have these problems you mention really... It gives a lot more TH than LR 801's, also at 3.7V on a Precise 18. I make my own juice 16-20mg 70% or so PG and am fine with the TH I get, but I don't want severe burning and irritation personally. If I was having a lack of satisfying hit, I would look at increasing voltage or lowering resistance first. But then, I haven't tried these additives.

throatkick, what I was saying is that however the Throat Hit+ is described at the website selling it is similar to how Flavour Art describes AAA Magic Mask (the sour perception). FA Magic Mask isn't supposed to add throat hit. Throat Hit+ is (my guess) Magic Mask mixed with capsacin or Qhit.

FA also makes something I do have called MTS Vape Wizard that is Magic Mask with "something" that is supposed to add vapor production.

 

[slyfox]

I have to say I just got my Saber Touch VV and it was pre-set around 5v, I'm using it with a 510 atty and 6mg-ish 60pg/40vg DYI Kona blend. The loco, pga nor the lr atties that I have use can compare. The vape from this is warm, the th is great, tons of vaper, and I really need a strong th, but this is not choke you up th, more like the real thing.

 

[wv2win]

I have to say I just got my Saber Touch VV and it was pre-set around 5v, I'm using it with a 510 atty and 6mg-ish 60pg/40vg DYI Kona blend. The loco, pga nor the lr atties that I have use can compare. The vape from this is warm, the th is great, tons of vaper, and I really need a strong th, but this is not choke you up th, more like the real thing.

+1, exactly my point. When I read about someone saying they add something like PGA to increase TH, I have to shake my head. You can't duplicate great TH with an additive like you get from a good high volt PV. IMO, the LR attys on a small battery can't come close to a good 5 volt PV for TH, although they are better than a small PV with standard attys.